Everyone talking about a ME Vette, but are their those that like a FE Vette BETTER?
10-16-2017, 03:01 PM
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It's like wanting 50 less hp because the disadvantage can be overcome.
Have you ever driven a mid engine car at a track or through hard twisties?
Have you ever driven a mid engine car at a track or through hard twisties?
It just seemed a snobbish thing to add when my post was merely refuting the idea of the previous poster that there was no relation in appearance whatsoever to the Corvette and the other cars shown.
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10-16-2017, 05:23 PM
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Go from a Cayman to a 911 to a Corvette (or worse, a front engine and transmission car). You'll notice the differences big time, even in spirited road driving. Remove your aero- you won't notice on the street.
We dont know anything else about the car because it literally doesn't exist but there is no reason to think it will be easier or harder to work on- just different. It will likely be shorter and narrower and lighter- all good. No reason to think it will be more expensive if made in the same quantity. Storage space- maybe, but who knows.
A huge bonus of mid engine is so the car can be thinner, shorter and lighter. That and a glass rear window that looks in on a pretty engine.
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10-16-2017, 05:46 PM
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You mean that rear window that is usually a blind spot keeping you from seeing what's on the side of you or coming up from behind
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10-16-2017, 07:19 PM
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10-16-2017, 07:39 PM
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10-16-2017, 08:34 PM
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I think cameras have taken care of that problem.
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10-16-2017, 08:34 PM
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Well, Foosh beat me to it.
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10-16-2017, 09:38 PM
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So much talk about engine placement, but I haven't seen any good discussion on the more important topic regarding the ME "supercar" look...what kind of fancy doors are we going to get?!? scissor doors? butterfly doors? old school gullwings?
10-16-2017, 09:41 PM
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This thread proves two things:
Some people never drive their car hard enough to know what driveline configuration is best for high speed performance.
Some people don't like anything new or different. Ever.
Some people never drive their car hard enough to know what driveline configuration is best for high speed performance.
Some people don't like anything new or different. Ever.
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10-16-2017, 10:00 PM
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To address your first point... The Corvette has a 50/50 weight distribution when it is stationary. But you want to be balanced during cornering. The moments before turn in and while trail braking it is better to have a slightly rear weight bias. Heck, even if you are turning without trail braking, the engine braking is causing a weight shift and your 50/50 balance is shot.
As a side effect, the acceleration from a dig would be better with more weight over the rear tires too.
As a side effect, the acceleration from a dig would be better with more weight over the rear tires too.
RR layout (past-current 911 road production) is a flawed design that has been perfected by Porsche.
RMR layout is not arguably (imho) the best engine position and why even the 911 will eventually move to it as can be seen by the current RSR created by Porsche to stay competitive in GTLM/GTE-PRO. There is a reason this is the predominant layout in the supercar market... and it’s not for cool factor.
FMR is the best Corvette will get with an engine in front... and although better than FR, still leaves much to be desired. But it, however, still considered mid-engine.
10-16-2017, 10:50 PM
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I could not EVEN think of buying a mid-engined car from the General within the first few years of production... shoot, I just went to pick up a new C7 only to have the p/s crap-out before I could get packed in it to head for home!
10-16-2017, 10:58 PM
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16 Vettes and counting…..
$hit happens. But if you wait for GM to get everything right, you might be waiting a loooong time.
10-17-2017, 11:46 AM
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This guy understands it...
RR layout (past-current 911 road production) is a flawed design that has been perfected by Porsche.
RMR layout is not arguably (imho) the best engine position and why even the 911 will eventually move to it as can be seen by the current RSR created by Porsche to stay competitive in GTLM/GTE-PRO. There is a reason this is the predominant layout in the supercar market... and it’s not for cool factor.
FMR is the best Corvette will get with an engine in front... and although better than FR, still leaves much to be desired. But it, however, still considered mid-engine.
RR layout (past-current 911 road production) is a flawed design that has been perfected by Porsche.
RMR layout is not arguably (imho) the best engine position and why even the 911 will eventually move to it as can be seen by the current RSR created by Porsche to stay competitive in GTLM/GTE-PRO. There is a reason this is the predominant layout in the supercar market... and it’s not for cool factor.
FMR is the best Corvette will get with an engine in front... and although better than FR, still leaves much to be desired. But it, however, still considered mid-engine.
it could be improved, as shown by the AMG GT R. Installing a DCT that is located behind the rear axle, allows for the cockpit and the engine to be moved rearward thus giving a better weight distribution.
The C7 Z06 has a 51/49% weight distribution whereas the AMG GT R has a 47/53 weight distribution yet both have the engine in front of the driver.
In addition the AMG has better downforce with a lower coefficient of drag than the C7 Z06 Z07, along with less weight.
Maybe that's why the AMG has run the Ring in 7:10 and the Z06 hasn't.
There is room for improvement in the Corvette's front engine design.
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10-17-2017, 12:03 PM
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it could be improved, as shown by the AMG GT R. Installing a DCT that is located behind the rear axle, allows for the cockpit and the engine to be moved rearward thus giving a better weight distribution.
The C7 Z06 has a 51/49% weight distribution whereas the AMG GT R has a 47/53 weight distribution yet both have the engine in front of the driver.
In addition the AMG has better downforce with a lower coefficient of drag than the C7 Z06 Z07, along with less weight.
Maybe that's why the AMG has run the Ring in 7:10 and the Z06 hasn't.
There is room for improvement in the Corvette's front engine design.
The C7 Z06 has a 51/49% weight distribution whereas the AMG GT R has a 47/53 weight distribution yet both have the engine in front of the driver.
In addition the AMG has better downforce with a lower coefficient of drag than the C7 Z06 Z07, along with less weight.
Maybe that's why the AMG has run the Ring in 7:10 and the Z06 hasn't.
There is room for improvement in the Corvette's front engine design.
How much money should GM spend, and how much should the C7 price go up, for such improvements when the vast majority of C7 owners will never track their car and don't really care about slight improvements in weight distribution?
10-17-2017, 12:24 PM
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With all the talk about a mid engine Corvette and excitement over it are their still guys like MYSELF that bought a Front Engine C7 or earlier model year Corvette because they just DONT LIKE the idea of a mid engine Corvette. I have no interest in a MID ENGINE CORVETTE and this is why I bought my C7 for the long hall!
I will just relax and enjoy my C7 until then, and then decide what to do next.
10-17-2017, 12:24 PM
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I prefer FMR.
Design of FMR is better
Packaging of FMR is better (interior wise, not part wise)
Dynamics is 2nd best in existence (only beaten by MR).
I could go on.
Design of FMR is better
Packaging of FMR is better (interior wise, not part wise)
Dynamics is 2nd best in existence (only beaten by MR).
I could go on.
10-17-2017, 12:25 PM
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The "entry" AMG GTR starts at over $110k and goes up from there. They're going to make 2,000 or so. Any comparison between a mass-produced Chevrolet and the AMG is nonsensical.
How much money should GM spend, and how much should the C7 price go up, for such improvements when the vast majority of C7 owners will never track their car and don't really care about slight improvements in weight distribution?
How much money should GM spend, and how much should the C7 price go up, for such improvements when the vast majority of C7 owners will never track their car and don't really care about slight improvements in weight distribution?
10-17-2017, 12:33 PM
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The "entry" AMG GTR starts at over $110k and goes up from there. They're going to make 2,000 or so. Any comparison between a mass-produced Chevrolet and the AMG is nonsensical.
How much money should GM spend, and how much should the C7 price go up, for such improvements when the vast majority of C7 owners will never track their car and don't really care about slight improvements in weight distribution?
How much money should GM spend, and how much should the C7 price go up, for such improvements when the vast majority of C7 owners will never track their car and don't really care about slight improvements in weight distribution?
I was comparing the design differences between the front engine AMG GT R and the front engine C7 Z06.
BUT, I bet that if Mercedes tooled up to build 10,000 AMG GT R's annually and then used most of the parts from a lessor model where another 20,000 are built, and then priced the AMG GT R at $120,000, it would both out perform the C7 Z06 and would sell just as many as the C6 Z06, and Mercedes would make money.
If the C7 Z06 had a DCT mounted behind the rear axle, and then relocated the engine and the cockpit 4"-6" rearward so it would have a 47/53 weight distribution, reduced the weight by 100 pounds, added rear wheel steering and an active front splitter, etc, and built 10,000 Z06's annually(and another 20,000 lessor models to share the costs) how much added cost would that be?
Surely not a hundred grand.
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10-17-2017, 12:36 PM
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