Why the LS is the Greatest Engine
10-17-2017, 03:03 PM
#24
Race Director
If money were no object I'd put a Lamborghini engine in a Lamborghini body 
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10-17-2017, 03:09 PM
#25
Team Owner
When was the last time you saw one of Lutz's "bright" ideas on the street.
Hell of a lot better looking than a Tesla.
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10-17-2017, 03:12 PM
#26
Race Director
^^^ Nothing wrong with the Chevy Volt actually, it's expensive but it's still pretty neat. Good friends of mine have had one for a couple of years now and they love it. They use it to travel back and forth to Florida every winter, and the entire time they are down there they run purely on electric power. And during the trip there they run pretty much entirely on the gas generator, but it's just as economical as any other 4 cylinder car. The Volt has an incredible amount of low end torque, that little sucker flies off the line faster than a lot of cars on the road (it would probably beat your Z06 by two cars instantly off the line and it would take you a good 500 to 600 ft to pass it)
10-17-2017, 03:26 PM
#27
Team Owner
^^^ Nothing wrong with the Chevy Volt actually, it's expensive but it's still pretty neat. Good friends of mine have had one for a couple of years now and they love it. They use it to travel back and forth to Florida every winter, and the entire time they are down there they run purely on electric power. And during the trip there they run pretty much entirely on the gas generator, but it's just as economical as any other 4 cylinder car. The Volt has an incredible amount of low end torque, that little sucker flies off the line faster than a lot of cars on the road (it would probably beat your Z06 by two cars instantly off the line and it would take you a good 500 to 600 ft to pass it)
I firmly believe that the Volt heavily contributed to GM's bankruptcy in 2009. Money that was wasted on the Volt program could have saved GM if it had been directed to improving GM's ICE products instead of letting ideology get in the way of sound business decisions.
Are you drunk?
The 2017 Volt has a 0-30 in 2.6 seconds, 0-60 of 7.4 seconds and a 1/4 of 15.8 @ 88 MPH.
My ICE C6 Z06 has a 0-30 in 1.8 seconds(~ 60 feet), 0-60 of 3.2 seconds and a 1/4 of 11.3 @ 127 MPH.
I would pass the Volt in the first 100 feet, or less, even if it were to get a 2 car length(30 feet) jump(which I doubt). In the time, 7.4 seconds, it would take the Volt to reach 60 MPH, my Z06 will be doing 98-99 MPH in 7.4 seconds at ~660 feet traveled.
Also at 60 MPH it would take the Volt 8.3 seconds to accelerate to 88 MPH on a 2 lane highway to pass a bunch of strung out slower cars. My Z06 takes 8 seconds to accelerate from 60 MPH to 127 MPH.
The 2017 Volt is rated at 42 MPG combined running on gasoline(highway trip). most Hybrids get way better gas mileage than that and a bunch of ICE only sedans get 39 MPG or better on the Highway. The 2017 Cruze gets 40 MPG highway on gasoline and from 47 to 52 MPG on Diesel. When the Volt is out of battery juice, the small Volt ICE has to drag that heavy battery down the highway when trying to keep up with traffic that is doing 75 MPH.
If you are driving a Volt on the highway at 60 MPH in Kansas City and you want to pass some slower cars, then be prepared to be in St Louis before completion of the pass. That's real everyday driving, not doing 0-20 MPH digs at a traffic light where you MIGHT get a 1/2 car jump
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10-17-2017, 03:39 PM
#28
Race Director
Have you ridden in or driven a Volt? Off the line that thing snaps your head back, it makes full torque instantly and doesn't get any wheelspin either. Sure, by the time you reach the 1/8th mile you'd catch up and blow it away, but I would say with 99% certainty that if you raced one from stoplight to stoplight on city streets, it would blow you away time after time, you wouldn't be able to make up the lost time in short drag races.
10-17-2017, 03:51 PM
#29
Have you ridden in or driven a Volt? Off the line that thing snaps your head back, it makes full torque instantly and doesn't get any wheelspin either. Sure, by the time you reach the 1/8th mile you'd catch up and blow it away, but I would say with 99% certainty that if you raced one from stoplight to stoplight on city streets, it would blow you away time after time, you wouldn't be able to make up the lost time in short drag races.
10-17-2017, 04:02 PM
#30
This thread started out silly and keeps getting more so....
10-17-2017, 05:34 PM
#31
Burning Brakes
This reminds me of the Prius forum talking about how a Prius would take a Ferrari Enzo off the line, "but only for 20 feet or so; regardless, it's still faster".
I'm leaving work right now. I'll try to remember to find and post later.
I'm leaving work right now. I'll try to remember to find and post later.
10-17-2017, 07:08 PM
#32
Race Director
10-17-2017, 07:19 PM
#33
Team Owner
10-17-2017, 07:25 PM
#34
Race Director
10-17-2017, 07:55 PM
#36
Le Mans Master
I've long said I preferred the feel of the LS motor over the LT. I've never been able to put my finger on why... I had 3 ls powered cars the c5, c6, and gen 2 cts v and never wanted more power in any of them. The lt1 in my c7 never gave me the feeling that my LS motors always did. I loved my c7 but it always felt less powerful to me even though HP ratings said otherwise (not counting the V).
10-17-2017, 08:08 PM
#37
Race Director
I wonder if part of the problem with the LT1 is the throttle response. There are a few people on here with the Vitesse throttle controller, I wonder if that changes their view of the LT1 vs the LSx engines. Something as simple as better throttle response can make a world of difference in how much enjoyment you get out of driving a particular engine. That's one of the reasons why people are so enthusiastic after getting any car tuned, as throttle response is one area that most of them improve drastically. I remember when the LS1 first showed up in the Corvettes, the C4 owners were a bit disappointed in how it felt as both the L98 and LT-1 had more low end grunt and better throttle response.
I hope I'm not going to be disappointed when I drive my C7 for the first time, but even if I am, I know that just by deleting AFM and improving the throttle response I can improve on it.
I hope I'm not going to be disappointed when I drive my C7 for the first time, but even if I am, I know that just by deleting AFM and improving the throttle response I can improve on it.
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10-17-2017, 08:15 PM
#39
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That's not a fair comparison then. Disable the AFM on the LT1 and then compare them.
I can't do any comparison at all at this point though, even though I have a C7 on order I have actually never driven one! But I do have experience with LS motors though, I bought a 98 Firebird Formula (LS1) brand new in 98 and kept for almost 3 years, and then I had another LS1 (98 Corvette) for 9 years and for the past 4.5 years I've had my LS2 Corvette.
I can't do any comparison at all at this point though, even though I have a C7 on order I have actually never driven one! But I do have experience with LS motors though, I bought a 98 Firebird Formula (LS1) brand new in 98 and kept for almost 3 years, and then I had another LS1 (98 Corvette) for 9 years and for the past 4.5 years I've had my LS2 Corvette.
Of course it could be the throttle programming or TC lockup or a dozen other things.
10-17-2017, 08:18 PM
#40
Race Director
