Torque converter troubles
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This provides an excellent opportunity to see if "New GM" has become very short-sighted. Old GM would have extended the warranty on these as they did on many issues of the past (6.5 diesel injection pump driver, early Duramax injectors, 3.6 timing chains and tensioners, etc.).
Putting a flawed system on the market is bad act number one but excusable because things happen. Not providing an extended warranty to cover a clear manufacturer mistake is inexcusable and the sort of thing that drives customers to other brands which are all clamoring to gain share. The Corvette converter failures are small potatoes compared to the number of failures across the lines because the 8L90 (and lower torque rated 8L45) are used in a very large number of GM platform/powertrain combinations many of which utilize the same flawed AFM reduced NVH strategy.
Putting a flawed system on the market is bad act number one but excusable because things happen. Not providing an extended warranty to cover a clear manufacturer mistake is inexcusable and the sort of thing that drives customers to other brands which are all clamoring to gain share. The Corvette converter failures are small potatoes compared to the number of failures across the lines because the 8L90 (and lower torque rated 8L45) are used in a very large number of GM platform/powertrain combinations many of which utilize the same flawed AFM reduced NVH strategy.
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Don't think we will hear from GM on this issue in this forum. Every TC replacement is costing them thousands of dollars. I see this issue as a big negative for used Corvettes down the road. I know I'm dumping mine before my warranty expires.
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That is what I am thinking to . I have until Feb of 2019 before my 36 months warranty runs out ! I will either get an extended warrany before then or sell the vette! Very sad as this is my tenth vette!
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This provides an excellent opportunity to see if "New GM" has become very short-sighted. Old GM would have extended the warranty on these as they did on many issues of the past (6.5 diesel injection pump driver, early Duramax injectors, 3.6 timing chains and tensioners, etc.).
Putting a flawed system on the market is bad act number one but excusable because things happen. Not providing an extended warranty to cover a clear manufacturer mistake is inexcusable and the sort of thing that drives customers to other brands which are all clamoring to gain share. The Corvette converter failures are small potatoes compared to the number of failures across the lines because the 8L90 (and lower torque rated 8L45) are used in a very large number of GM platform/powertrain combinations many of which utilize the same flawed AFM reduced NVH strategy.
Putting a flawed system on the market is bad act number one but excusable because things happen. Not providing an extended warranty to cover a clear manufacturer mistake is inexcusable and the sort of thing that drives customers to other brands which are all clamoring to gain share. The Corvette converter failures are small potatoes compared to the number of failures across the lines because the 8L90 (and lower torque rated 8L45) are used in a very large number of GM platform/powertrain combinations many of which utilize the same flawed AFM reduced NVH strategy.
Many years ago Acura TLs experienced an unusual amount of transmission failures. Within a year they extended the transmission warranty to 10 years/100,000 miles. My transmission failed in year 11 and they still replaced it for free! Now that's a company who stands behind their product.
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I've seen a fair number of threads and posts about torque converter problems with the A8 transmission. Is this the result of a bad batch of TC's out there from GM, or is the underlying root problem with TC failure due to the V8 to V4 switching? If it is the latter, could it be assumed that the TC will eventually need replacing in all A8s?
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I've seen a fair number of threads and posts about torque converter problems with the A8 transmission. Is this the result of a bad batch of TC's out there from GM, or is the underlying root problem with TC failure due to the V8 to V4 switching? If it is the latter, could it be assumed that the TC will eventually need replacing in all A8s?
If you get a new TC and avoid V4 operation, you'll probably get trouble-free service from the A8 like you would from any other automatic transmission.
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#31
Just curious.....With all these T.C. issues, when they get replaced, is it with the same type of unit or a redesigned one? If they are just a replacement unit of essentially the same design, seems like that's a set up for another potential problem. Has GM ever discovered what the problem is, or modified anything in the newer T.C's?
#32
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Does a normally operating C7 automatic transmission exhibit any fluctuations of rpm while driving in the auto mode and cruising at a steady speed? I ask because I’ve seen that on mine, but only in 7th & 8th gear. It stops if I swx to manual mode, and there are no noticeable indications that anything has changed. I’d never know anything was going on if I wasn’t looking at the tach. Everything is buttery smooth.
FWIW, I also have a 2014 V8 Silverado with the 6 speed automatic that cycles between 4 & 8 cylinders and exhibits the exact same behavior. Of course on it you can’t swx to manual paddles.
FWIW, I also have a 2014 V8 Silverado with the 6 speed automatic that cycles between 4 & 8 cylinders and exhibits the exact same behavior. Of course on it you can’t swx to manual paddles.
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I've seen a fair number of threads and posts about torque converter problems with the A8 transmission. Is this the result of a bad batch of TC's out there from GM, or is the underlying root problem with TC failure due to the V8 to V4 switching? If it is the latter, could it be assumed that the TC will eventually need replacing in all A8s?
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Does a normally operating C7 automatic transmission exhibit any fluctuations of rpm while driving in the auto mode and cruising at a steady speed? I ask because I’ve seen that on mine, but only in 7th & 8th gear. It stops if I swx to manual mode, and there are no noticeable indications that anything has changed. I’d never know anything was going on if I wasn’t looking at the tach. Everything is buttery smooth.
FWIW, I also have a 2014 V8 Silverado with the 6 speed automatic that cycles between 4 & 8 cylinders and exhibits the exact same behavior. Of course on it you can’t swx to manual paddles.
FWIW, I also have a 2014 V8 Silverado with the 6 speed automatic that cycles between 4 & 8 cylinders and exhibits the exact same behavior. Of course on it you can’t swx to manual paddles.
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Putting a flawed system on the market is bad act number one but excusable because things happen. Not providing an extended warranty to cover a clear manufacturer mistake is inexcusable and the sort of thing that drives customers to other brands which are all clamoring to gain share. The Corvette converter failures are small potatoes compared to the number of failures across the lines because the 8L90 (and lower torque rated 8L45) are used in a very large number of GM platform/powertrain combinations many of which utilize the same flawed AFM reduced NVH strategy.
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Does a normally operating C7 automatic transmission exhibit any fluctuations of rpm while driving in the auto mode and cruising at a steady speed? I ask because I’ve seen that on mine, but only in 7th & 8th gear. It stops if I swx to manual mode, and there are no noticeable indications that anything has changed. I’d never know anything was going on if I wasn’t looking at the tach. Everything is buttery smooth.
FWIW, I also have a 2014 V8 Silverado with the 6 speed automatic that cycles between 4 & 8 cylinders and exhibits the exact same behavior. Of course on it you can’t swx to manual paddles.
FWIW, I also have a 2014 V8 Silverado with the 6 speed automatic that cycles between 4 & 8 cylinders and exhibits the exact same behavior. Of course on it you can’t swx to manual paddles.
#38
Burning Brakes
Care to share with us what GM knows or how it can be corrected?
I find this issue to be quite disturbing. Would not have given the fluctuating RPMs a second thought until reading all these horror stories. I LOVE this car, and want to be able to enjoy it relatively worry free for many many years. Now I'm a bit anxious, and wonder if I'm sitting on a ticking time bomb! Have absolutely no other symptoms of a problem, and don't wish to invite them by tearing into an otherwise healthy unit, but thinking I should maybe get it looked at. At least I'll have something on record. Still 2+3/4 years of powertrain warranty remaining. I'll never hit 60K miles in that period.
I find this issue to be quite disturbing. Would not have given the fluctuating RPMs a second thought until reading all these horror stories. I LOVE this car, and want to be able to enjoy it relatively worry free for many many years. Now I'm a bit anxious, and wonder if I'm sitting on a ticking time bomb! Have absolutely no other symptoms of a problem, and don't wish to invite them by tearing into an otherwise healthy unit, but thinking I should maybe get it looked at. At least I'll have something on record. Still 2+3/4 years of powertrain warranty remaining. I'll never hit 60K miles in that period.
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#39
I have a 2015 A8. After my TC was replaced, I had NO movement of my RPM's while driving at a steady speed. Prior to my new TC, I had the shudder and the RPM movement at a steady speed. The Service Writer stated that I would have gotten a new TC because of the RPM movement, even if I had not had the shuddering. My new TC was installed in 2016 and now they want to try the flush before you get a new TC.
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#40
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All these comments make me really glad I went against conventional wisdom and bought a first year C7 with the 6 speed auto. I have a longer warranty and not the potential trouble. Despite all the incentives out there now I am not in any hurry to sell/trade mine for a newer one with the potential tranny issue. Given the history of problems one would like to think GM would extend the warranty on these trannys, but we'll see. That definitely casts a negative light on resale value for those equipped with the 8-speed.