GS vs Base Stingray for long distance travel
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I bought a base 2017 Stingray with the MSRC (Magnetic Selective Ride Control) shocks. For my usage & transportation desires, that's all I need. I suppose I could spring for the Z51 FRNT & REAR sway bars for $450.00 at some point.
For long distance usage, I don't see any reason to buy the GS, with the racing Z51/ZO6 feature add-ons.
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For long distance usage, I don't see any reason to buy the GS, with the racing Z51/ZO6 feature add-ons.
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Perfectly happy with my base 2LT other than having to replace the torque converter and fuel sending unit. Ride without MSRC is perfectly acceptable and 465 HP is plenty.
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I prefer the Z51 over the base, manly for the better braking and handling. I would definitely go with at least the 2LT package in order to get the heads up display. I find this to be easier on the eyes on a road trip. Whatever you decide, you can’t go wrong.
Something else that hasn’t been mentioned, on long road trips, if you have a transparent top, it can get hot inside. This might not bother some but it annoyed me, as I shave my head and get tired of wearing hats inside the car.
Unless I missed it, let us know what you end up with and your thoughts.
Something else that hasn’t been mentioned, on long road trips, if you have a transparent top, it can get hot inside. This might not bother some but it annoyed me, as I shave my head and get tired of wearing hats inside the car.
Unless I missed it, let us know what you end up with and your thoughts.
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Every person that decides to buy a Corvette has their own requirements and I have no problem with that. I just love the fact that we have so many choices and in my opinion, the best Corvette series ever made!
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Curious, were you always using top Tier gas?
Had you ever added the GM recommended fuel additive listed in the owner's manual?
How about Techron or SeaFoam?
The reason I ask is I do buy non Top Tier from time to time and thought I could not go wrong adding the GM fuel additive to my 2014 Z51 at every oil change (as noted in the Owner's Manual,) which I did.
Wondering what I'll do with the Grand Sport at my next oil change. My biggest concern is the reports of fuel sender replacement that requires dropping the whole rear drive train to get the tanks out! Recall one poster who said his dealer solved the fuel sender problem by adding two bottles of the GM additive. Solved his issue for $100.
The GM additive, Techron and Seafoam all say they dissolve sulfur deposits on the fuel sender. In fact the SDS sheets show Techron and the GM product may be the same. Bottles look the same.
Sulfur is in all gasoline, albeit a small amount by law. But oil can have up to 3% or more and it must be removed in the refinery. Has nothing to do with Top Tier as that just includes additives in very small amounts of products like Techron. With DI, today that is only able to clean the injectors and perhaps the combustion chamber. It can no longer do what was advertised for years, cleaning the PCV oil and "stuff" from the intake and backs of intake valves as it did with carburetors, throttle body and port injection.
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I would offer another perspective to the OP.
I got a Z06/7, competition seats, because I wanted to go to the track with as much performance as I could afford. Quite happy with that choice.
Fiance, who drives it at the track tooand I have driven SLC to Pahrump for COS last September. Six+ hours, a couple of gas/rest stops. In Tour mode. We were quite comfortable.
So, while some other high performance car may be more comfortable (Cadillac CTS-Vs are mean at the track), to me comfortable enough is comfortable enough. I wouldn't give a second thought about comfort driving coast to coast.
If you have issues with back/leg problems that make sitting for hours an ordeal, seems like greatest comfort is your goal. At 65yo I am fortunate to be getting along pretty well. So I choose to bias toward performance (while my old carcass can still manage)
If driving in cold/snow is a must, then get a model you can put 18" wheels on so you have more options for winter tires. I have parked our Z, with MPSS dry tires on it,, until a dry 50+ degree day in SLC rolls in. It may be a while.
No matter what you choose, I can't imagine you won't enjoy it greatly.
I got a Z06/7, competition seats, because I wanted to go to the track with as much performance as I could afford. Quite happy with that choice.
Fiance, who drives it at the track tooand I have driven SLC to Pahrump for COS last September. Six+ hours, a couple of gas/rest stops. In Tour mode. We were quite comfortable.
So, while some other high performance car may be more comfortable (Cadillac CTS-Vs are mean at the track), to me comfortable enough is comfortable enough. I wouldn't give a second thought about comfort driving coast to coast.
If you have issues with back/leg problems that make sitting for hours an ordeal, seems like greatest comfort is your goal. At 65yo I am fortunate to be getting along pretty well. So I choose to bias toward performance (while my old carcass can still manage)
If driving in cold/snow is a must, then get a model you can put 18" wheels on so you have more options for winter tires. I have parked our Z, with MPSS dry tires on it,, until a dry 50+ degree day in SLC rolls in. It may be a while.
No matter what you choose, I can't imagine you won't enjoy it greatly.
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Aside from the fun of driving a C7, it's a very good "long distance" ride. Gotta say again, the base is the best at ride softness while maintaining excellent road manners. Get the bars.
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^^^
Your right published data ranges all over.
This is the latest with some direct comparisons from the January 2018 issue of Car and Driver. They are best for developing more agreesive data versus say Road & Track:
With the Standard Michelin Pilot Super Sports they state with the Grand Sport they achieved max lateral "g" at 1.13 and stops from 70 mph in 136 feet.
With the Z07 package and it's carbon-ceramic brakes with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires that Grand Sport achieved max lateral "g" of 1.18 and 70 mph stops took only 129 feet.
Although not in the same article, Car and Driver in a 2016 comparison with a Mustang showed a C7 Z51 achieving 1.05 max lateral "g" and a stop from 70 mph of 149 feet.
FWIW
Your right published data ranges all over.
This is the latest with some direct comparisons from the January 2018 issue of Car and Driver. They are best for developing more agreesive data versus say Road & Track:
With the Standard Michelin Pilot Super Sports they state with the Grand Sport they achieved max lateral "g" at 1.13 and stops from 70 mph in 136 feet.
With the Z07 package and it's carbon-ceramic brakes with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires that Grand Sport achieved max lateral "g" of 1.18 and 70 mph stops took only 129 feet.
Although not in the same article, Car and Driver in a 2016 comparison with a Mustang showed a C7 Z51 achieving 1.05 max lateral "g" and a stop from 70 mph of 149 feet.
FWIW
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Interior is the same, so if you really are shooting for a Grand Turismo vehicle, choose the Base and get all-season tires. (BTW, they'll be 19/20" regardless.) This will quiet the ride a bit and in Tour Mode you have a fine, smooth automobile. Your gas mileage will be high 20's to low 30's. The roads will be asphalt or concrete. I also have a CTS-VSport which, as you might imagine is a fine touring car with all the amenities, but since I got the vette it stays in the garage on long trips because the vette is just BETTER!
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I passed on the Z51 for two reasons: The size of the tires and the size of the rear spoiler.
I have a 2016 SR M7 Coupe daily driver with almost 30K miles on it. I am completely satisfied with it as a mid-to-long distance GT car. I'm lucky that I got a model with 18"/19" tires. Not only are they quieter, but they're cheaper to replace. Also, they soak up road irregularities better.
As said, mine is a daily driver. I use the rear storage compartment daily to carry groceries, luggage, sports equipment, stuff from Home Depot, ...whatever. I did not want to contend with a huge spoiler every time I put something in the rear. No way.
I've had lots of sport cars. My previous was an '06 Porsche Cayman S. Before that, an '03 911. They were sweet cars. Great handling. But, I think my C7 "base" car is a better all round GT sports car. Its more comfortable, has more storage, gets waayyy better gas mileage, has more power, and yes, it handles great on the open road. No twitchy hyper sensitive steering. Just smooth cruising.... but with lightning quick reflexes when you want/need them. On the fast and combative freeways of So. Cal, my C7 Stingray is the perfect road warrior.
I have a 2016 SR M7 Coupe daily driver with almost 30K miles on it. I am completely satisfied with it as a mid-to-long distance GT car. I'm lucky that I got a model with 18"/19" tires. Not only are they quieter, but they're cheaper to replace. Also, they soak up road irregularities better.
As said, mine is a daily driver. I use the rear storage compartment daily to carry groceries, luggage, sports equipment, stuff from Home Depot, ...whatever. I did not want to contend with a huge spoiler every time I put something in the rear. No way.
I've had lots of sport cars. My previous was an '06 Porsche Cayman S. Before that, an '03 911. They were sweet cars. Great handling. But, I think my C7 "base" car is a better all round GT sports car. Its more comfortable, has more storage, gets waayyy better gas mileage, has more power, and yes, it handles great on the open road. No twitchy hyper sensitive steering. Just smooth cruising.... but with lightning quick reflexes when you want/need them. On the fast and combative freeways of So. Cal, my C7 Stingray is the perfect road warrior.
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Curious, were you always using top Tier gas?
Had you ever added the GM recommended fuel additive listed in the owner's manual?
How about Techron or SeaFoam?
The reason I ask is I do buy non Top Tier from time to time and thought I could not go wrong adding the GM fuel additive to my 2014 Z51 at every oil change (as noted in the Owner's Manual,) which I did.
Wondering what I'll do with the Grand Sport at my next oil change. My biggest concern is the reports of fuel sender replacement that requires dropping the whole rear drive train to get the tanks out! Recall one poster who said his dealer solved the fuel sender problem by adding two bottles of the GM additive. Solved his issue for $100.
The GM additive, Techron and Seafoam all say they dissolve sulfur deposits on the fuel sender. In fact the SDS sheets show Techron and the GM product may be the same. Bottles look the same.
Sulfur is in all gasoline, albeit a small amount by law. But oil can have up to 3% or more and it must be removed in the refinery. Has nothing to do with Top Tier as that just includes additives in very small amounts of products like Techron. With DI, today that is only able to clean the injectors and perhaps the combustion chamber. It can no longer do what was advertised for years, cleaning the PCV oil and "stuff" from the intake and backs of intake valves as it did with carburetors, throttle body and port injection.
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I passed on the Z51 for two reasons: The size of the tires and the size of the rear spoiler.
I have a 2016 SR M7 Coupe daily driver with almost 30K miles on it. I am completely satisfied with it as a mid-to-long distance GT car. I'm lucky that I got a model with 18"/19" tires. Not only are they quieter, but they're cheaper to replace. Also, they soak up road irregularities better.
As said, mine is a daily driver. I use the rear storage compartment daily to carry groceries, luggage, sports equipment, stuff from Home Depot, ...whatever. I did not want to contend with a huge spoiler every time I put something in the rear. No way.
I've had lots of sport cars. My previous was an '06 Porsche Cayman S. Before that, an '03 911. They were sweet cars. Great handling. But, I think my C7 "base" car is a better all round GT sports car. Its more comfortable, has more storage, gets waayyy better gas mileage, has more power, and yes, it handles great on the open road. No twitchy hyper sensitive steering. Just smooth cruising.... but with lightning quick reflexes when you want/need them. On the fast and combative freeways of So. Cal, my C7 Stingray is the perfect road warrior.
I have a 2016 SR M7 Coupe daily driver with almost 30K miles on it. I am completely satisfied with it as a mid-to-long distance GT car. I'm lucky that I got a model with 18"/19" tires. Not only are they quieter, but they're cheaper to replace. Also, they soak up road irregularities better.
As said, mine is a daily driver. I use the rear storage compartment daily to carry groceries, luggage, sports equipment, stuff from Home Depot, ...whatever. I did not want to contend with a huge spoiler every time I put something in the rear. No way.
I've had lots of sport cars. My previous was an '06 Porsche Cayman S. Before that, an '03 911. They were sweet cars. Great handling. But, I think my C7 "base" car is a better all round GT sports car. Its more comfortable, has more storage, gets waayyy better gas mileage, has more power, and yes, it handles great on the open road. No twitchy hyper sensitive steering. Just smooth cruising.... but with lightning quick reflexes when you want/need them. On the fast and combative freeways of So. Cal, my C7 Stingray is the perfect road warrior.
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Thanks. Yep all those additives can’t fix a crack!
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That 1.0G claim was from GM in this marketing PDF for the 2016 MY. They claim 1.03 for the Z51 and 1.2 for the Z06 w/Z07. Independent tests are all over the map for various C7s, always over 1.0G, but I don't think I've seen a test on a non-Z51 base car.
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Your right published data ranges all over.
This is the latest with some direct comparisons from the January 2018 issue of Car and Driver. They are best for developing more agreesive data versus say Road & Track:
With the Standard Michelin Pilot Super Sports they state with the Grand Sport they achieved max lateral "g" at 1.13 and stops from 70 mph in 136 feet.
With the Z07 package and it's carbon-ceramic brakes with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires that Grand Sport achieved max lateral "g" of 1.18 and 70 mph stops took only 129 feet.
Although not in the same article, Car and Driver in a 2016 comparison with a Mustang showed a C7 Z51 achieving 1.05 max lateral "g" and a stop from 70 mph of 149 feet.
FWIW
Your right published data ranges all over.
This is the latest with some direct comparisons from the January 2018 issue of Car and Driver. They are best for developing more agreesive data versus say Road & Track:
With the Standard Michelin Pilot Super Sports they state with the Grand Sport they achieved max lateral "g" at 1.13 and stops from 70 mph in 136 feet.
With the Z07 package and it's carbon-ceramic brakes with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires that Grand Sport achieved max lateral "g" of 1.18 and 70 mph stops took only 129 feet.
Although not in the same article, Car and Driver in a 2016 comparison with a Mustang showed a C7 Z51 achieving 1.05 max lateral "g" and a stop from 70 mph of 149 feet.
FWIW
With regard to the PSC2, I'm willing to bet the difference would be much higher if they were properly heated up. I'm guessing they weren't because the cup tires are definitely worth more than 0.05G and 7 feet of braking. I've driven both at the track- I brake way later on cup tires. On PSS it's crazy good. On cup tires it's like a cartoon; I can't brake late enough.
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Perhaps a consideration (even if small) since driving long distances often involves dealing with crowded restaurant/hotel/motel parking lots is the the Stingray being 3"+ narrower at the rear quarters.
It may be easier and less risky in regard to parking/backing up, folks hitting your car with their luggage as they maneuver between parked cars and to receiving door dings etc under tight conditions.
Granted 3" isn't a lot however makes a difference especially in dealing with the narrower (compact car) parking spaces we are seeing more and more of.
Just saying, one of the worst ways to end a long trip is a visit to the body shop for a repair estimate.
It may be easier and less risky in regard to parking/backing up, folks hitting your car with their luggage as they maneuver between parked cars and to receiving door dings etc under tight conditions.
Granted 3" isn't a lot however makes a difference especially in dealing with the narrower (compact car) parking spaces we are seeing more and more of.
Just saying, one of the worst ways to end a long trip is a visit to the body shop for a repair estimate.
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