What a dreadful day at the dealership
01-03-2018, 03:25 PM
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After several minutes of conversation of why the sales manager was trying to justify why the car should sell for more than its real value, he made the comment of "you can afford it". My response immediately back was that yes I can afford it, but the car is not worth what you are wanting. I immediately left and never returned to purchase a vehicle from them ever.
Bill Hulka
Bill Hulka
I prefer crying down hear! Works fine. Could care less that I can afford it! I would just say can't afford it and that is the best I can do!
Reminds me of the Porsche Cayenne negotiation. Had a trade and they dickered about it's value. I said I could care less, this is what I'll pay for the car, you put whatever you'd like on the trade and car price. The sales manager reached a price about $1000 away from my offer. I got up with my wife and said, we were coming to look at a Toyota SUV and we'll look at it and if we don't get it and your still open we'll stop back! We were an hour from home.
As expected, no way they were going to let me leave (although I would have) and I repeated that is all we can afford! Got it for my offer!
To properly use that technique you have to wear warn Jeans and pay cash or they will get you in the "it's only XX $/month trap!"
Last edited by JerryU; 01-03-2018 at 03:28 PM.
01-03-2018, 03:37 PM
#162
Le Mans Master
Agree, if he was rude. This whole thing is about just hearing one side of the story. He could have just laughed and some would have interpreted that as rude, just as you saying "No" would also be perceived as rude by some.
The thread has taken on a life of it's own. Go back and carefully read the OP. The term "rude" was never used. He talks about being lectured which could easily have been a polite explanation of market value, which he took the wrong way because he was overly sensitive.
The veritable plethora of different stuff posters here are fantasizing into the OP's experience is a textbook case for how different perceptions can be. It's possible to be very polite and accused of the opposite by some.
The thread has taken on a life of it's own. Go back and carefully read the OP. The term "rude" was never used. He talks about being lectured which could easily have been a polite explanation of market value, which he took the wrong way because he was overly sensitive.
The veritable plethora of different stuff posters here are fantasizing into the OP's experience is a textbook case for how different perceptions can be. It's possible to be very polite and accused of the opposite by some.
If I remember the specs of this car correctly it MSRP's for over $100K. Fighting over a couple grand at this point seems silly when you are paying 40% less than MSRP on a two year old car.
01-03-2018, 05:08 PM
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St. Jude Donor '15
"In honor of jpee"
Don't fall for the emotional blackmail. Its a sales maneuver that seemingly worked just like they practiced it. I buy a lot of cars - I'm the go to guy for the family. 3 cars in 2017 alone. Low offers are simply a starting point. Spend time finding out what a good deal looks like - the internet is great for that. If there's a trade involved have CarMax appraise it for you or sell it yourself if that's an option. Don't let dealers mistreat you....don't be ignorant. I'm still getting calls from a Toyota salesman who lost a sale by over $3000 on a year end Toyota Rav4 that I bought for my mother in law. He simply can't get over how rude I was to travel 30 miles to save $3000 on a car that resides 400 miles away now.
It's all an act.... Too bad they can't take a different approach - can you imagine if the large forum dealers on here treated people like that?
Hope you get what you want. Last time I checked they are still building new Corvettes so there's a never ending supply of new and used ones being traded - its a commodity.
Peace,
Don
It's all an act.... Too bad they can't take a different approach - can you imagine if the large forum dealers on here treated people like that?
Hope you get what you want. Last time I checked they are still building new Corvettes so there's a never ending supply of new and used ones being traded - its a commodity.
Peace,
Don
01-04-2018, 02:23 AM
#166
Melting Slicks
So, let me get this straight: you were in the car business, a business purposed to extract as much $ from each 'customer' as possible and Don't think my thoughts on saving ( giving your ilk as less a small possible) are valid ?
Defin 'bias' and 'conflict of interest' here...
I've put my own advice to good use and, spoiler alert, it works if you can work it. Your view is true for you (of it can be trusted) and not for the rest of the world (which supersedes the scope of your world).
Defin 'bias' and 'conflict of interest' here...
I've put my own advice to good use and, spoiler alert, it works if you can work it. Your view is true for you (of it can be trusted) and not for the rest of the world (which supersedes the scope of your world).
I was in the car business for 10 years, I've purchased at least 20 new cars @ retail, so I do have some experience in this arena. If everybody had your preposterous world view we wouldn't have to blow our brains out because WWIII would have already turned the planet into a post apocalyptic zombie wasteland.
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01-04-2018, 03:59 AM
#167
So, let me get this straight: you were in the car business, a business purposed to extract as much $ from each 'customer' as possible and Don't think my thoughts on saving ( giving your ilk as less a small possible) are valid ?
Defin 'bias' and 'conflict of interest' here...
I've put my own advice to good use and, spoiler alert, it works if you can work it. Your view is true for you (of it can be trusted) and not for the rest of the world (which supersedes the scope of your world).
Defin 'bias' and 'conflict of interest' here...
I've put my own advice to good use and, spoiler alert, it works if you can work it. Your view is true for you (of it can be trusted) and not for the rest of the world (which supersedes the scope of your world).
01-04-2018, 07:02 AM
#168
Race Director
If in fact he was as rude as you portrayed, there's no excuse for that. On the other hand, your offer was rather ridiculous, and basically a trade-in value price. Perhaps that's what he was trying to convey to you. They are entitled to a fair profit, and certainly aren't in business to lose money.
Cars advertised for $66K. What would you have offered? Who pays advertised price for a used car?
01-04-2018, 12:35 PM
#169
Racer
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01-04-2018, 12:45 PM
#170
Melting Slicks
So we've left the central point of the validity of my original thoughts... Hmmm. That's usually a sign that there's not a valid base upon which to refute my thoughts. I've not heard 1 fact based refutation of anything I've posted or asked you, but just opinion, which takes me back to an earlier post "try not to confuse your opinion with fact".
Your opinion is fine. It doesn't mean anything to me. Speaking of idiots, you know the saying: if you get into an argument with one, people watching can't tell which one is the idiot.
My dearly departed father's advice also comes to mind : Always consider the source... Which is also translates to, again, bias on your part as a participant in the 'car industry'. It also means your opinion of my thoughts, or me personally doesn't illicit any i'll will on my part. Continue on with your life and be happy in it.
Your opinion is fine. It doesn't mean anything to me. Speaking of idiots, you know the saying: if you get into an argument with one, people watching can't tell which one is the idiot.
My dearly departed father's advice also comes to mind : Always consider the source... Which is also translates to, again, bias on your part as a participant in the 'car industry'. It also means your opinion of my thoughts, or me personally doesn't illicit any i'll will on my part. Continue on with your life and be happy in it.
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01-04-2018, 02:06 PM
#171
Le Mans Master
1) It this THE car I want?
2) Can I get it serviced somewhere other than this stealership?
3) Is 65K a good price for this car?
If so, do it. Then kick the dust off your feet and never set foot in that dealership again. But if the price isn't great (I'm not current on what's a good deal) then don't worry about it.
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01-04-2018, 02:20 PM
#172
Drifting
counter them with $63k and see what happens 
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01-04-2018, 02:26 PM
#173
All the new people jumping in at the end here clearly haven't read this very lengthy thread.
Based upon recent sales of comparable used Z06s, equally-equipped, and w/ same mileage, the current market value is $68K. Dealer's initial asking price was below that, and they've already come down substantially. This isn't a stripped-down Z06. It's a 3LZ Z07 w/ all options.
All of that info is covered extensively above.
Based upon recent sales of comparable used Z06s, equally-equipped, and w/ same mileage, the current market value is $68K. Dealer's initial asking price was below that, and they've already come down substantially. This isn't a stripped-down Z06. It's a 3LZ Z07 w/ all options.
All of that info is covered extensively above.
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01-04-2018, 02:27 PM
#174
Racer
Your first offer was 62, I'm thinking you probably expected a counter offer, now you have one. Is 65 too high? I don't think it is.
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01-04-2018, 02:31 PM
#175
Drifting
All the new people jumping in at the end here clearly haven't read this very lengthy thread.
Based upon recent sales of comparable used Z06s, equally-equipped, and w/ same mileage, the current market value is $68K. Dealer's initial asking price was below that, and they've already come down substantially.
All of that info is covered extensively above.
Based upon recent sales of comparable used Z06s, equally-equipped, and w/ same mileage, the current market value is $68K. Dealer's initial asking price was below that, and they've already come down substantially.
All of that info is covered extensively above.
01-04-2018, 02:33 PM
#176
Le Mans Master
If not walk away for a day and see if they call you.
01-04-2018, 02:36 PM
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01-04-2018, 03:21 PM
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St. Jude Donor '15
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01-04-2018, 03:46 PM
#180
Le Mans Master
At least the sales manager took the time to explain how pricing works instead of just kicking him out for wasting everyone's time. 