GM lost me as a new C7 GS buyer
01-20-2018, 08:36 AM
#21
Le Mans Master
Well I think your complaint about paint is a valid one bent rims are not a major issue for most of us and the styling of the rear is subjective at best.
You do sound right for a Porsche but your going to pay a lot more for less performance. I know people dont want to hear it, but the truth is GM had to cut some corners to sell the C7 at the prices you are seeing with the massive discounts. People paying 12-20% off on average for a car that is already priced at MSRP to beat competitors.
You do sound right for a Porsche but your going to pay a lot more for less performance. I know people dont want to hear it, but the truth is GM had to cut some corners to sell the C7 at the prices you are seeing with the massive discounts. People paying 12-20% off on average for a car that is already priced at MSRP to beat competitors.
01-20-2018, 08:40 AM
#22
Burning Brakes
Millennial folks typically buy a Prius or other EPA approved vehicle from my experience. They typically don't really care about cars. Millenials and anyone under 40 are not GM's target audience for the Corvettes anyway.
01-20-2018, 08:41 AM
#23
Melting Slicks
Another alternative for the OP and everyone else who has particular issues with fit and finish, but like the car, is to:
1. Find the cheapest one that is close to your dream car
2. Spend the money you saved to make it the perfect dream car
Then the only person you have to blame is yourself if it doesn't fit your specifications. There are tons of aftermarket custom parts and shops that want to install them. Good luck!
PS: The only reason I have not upgraded is because they don't have the color combination I want at this time and I'd rather buy new.
1. Find the cheapest one that is close to your dream car
2. Spend the money you saved to make it the perfect dream car
Then the only person you have to blame is yourself if it doesn't fit your specifications. There are tons of aftermarket custom parts and shops that want to install them. Good luck!
PS: The only reason I have not upgraded is because they don't have the color combination I want at this time and I'd rather buy new.
01-20-2018, 08:56 AM
#24
Melting Slicks
A millennial with OCD. Gotta love it.
Solution to the paint issue...get a 2019. Problem solved.
As far as the nitpicking of the steering wheel and vents around tail lights...wtf?
Drive the car and tell me you don't like how it handles...then I'd say you have a legitimate gripe. Sounds like you just don't like the car in general which is fine, but really?
Solution to the paint issue...get a 2019. Problem solved.
As far as the nitpicking of the steering wheel and vents around tail lights...wtf?
Drive the car and tell me you don't like how it handles...then I'd say you have a legitimate gripe. Sounds like you just don't like the car in general which is fine, but really?
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01-20-2018, 09:05 AM
#25
GM should care about what 30-40 year old people think. When Grandpa dies off in the next 10 years the Vette will die as well if the younger generation takes no interest in it. No sales, no more car.
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01-20-2018, 09:07 AM
#26
Burning Brakes
I work in IT and my building has approximately 1800 people. Lots Interns and Millennials have come on board over the last 5 years . We have a 5 floor parking garage .. I see what they drive ...
01-20-2018, 09:11 AM
#27
Race Director
The OP makes some good points, however needs to realize there are new C7s ('17 and '18s) on dealer lots with good paint and panel alignment (not perfect, but is anything?). I'm totally satisfied with my '17 GS vert. I did spent a bit of time, effort, travel finding just what I wanted.
Fortunate for GM that you decided not to purchase a C7, as it's obvious from your initial post that you are VERY Difficult to please.
Fortunate for GM that you decided not to purchase a C7, as it's obvious from your initial post that you are VERY Difficult to please.
01-20-2018, 09:16 AM
#28
Safety Car
I understand your concerns but these Corvettes are the best bang-for-the-buck you can buy in a sports car. Come drive my C7 ZO6 at full throttle and you won't be worried about the small issues.
01-20-2018, 09:27 AM
#29
Le Mans Master
OP now make a list of the positives of the C7 and then compare the two lists before writing off the C7 or just spend another 30K for a 911 and to get similar performance and better fit and finish.
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01-20-2018, 09:33 AM
#30
Team Owner
Hope you feel better now, obviously you would be a better fit in a Miata so you can look at that race inspired steering wheel everyday.
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01-20-2018, 09:36 AM
#31
Le Mans Master
More like $50-70K if he is comparing GS to 911 with any type of upgrades.
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01-20-2018, 09:36 AM
#32
You have a C5Z and complain about the fit and finish on a C7, BWAHHAHA!!!
01-20-2018, 09:41 AM
#33
Le Mans Master
The average cost of a new car is now over $30K. Factor in that wages are not keeping up with expenses and that's probably why so many people are driving boring appliance cars.
I'm sure there are lots of younger people who would rather drive a C7 over a Mazda 3 but that's probably what they can afford.
01-20-2018, 10:01 AM
#34
I don't have an issue with the OP's position.
My '17 GS has excellent paint and no panel fit problems, but obviously some do.
I also understand the aesthetics issue. I was not a fan of the tail of the car when it was first released but the wide body of the GS and Z06 seem to suit the design better than the standard Stingray. At any rate I've gotten used to it and in fact I think the car looks badass from the rear.
The steering wheel? Oh well, to each his own.
Bottom line: If you don't like it, don't buy it. If everyone's tastes were the same this would be a pretty boring world.
Edit: Ad hominem attacks on the OP because of his age don't make anyone look good. C'mon, guys.
My '17 GS has excellent paint and no panel fit problems, but obviously some do.
I also understand the aesthetics issue. I was not a fan of the tail of the car when it was first released but the wide body of the GS and Z06 seem to suit the design better than the standard Stingray. At any rate I've gotten used to it and in fact I think the car looks badass from the rear.
The steering wheel? Oh well, to each his own.
Bottom line: If you don't like it, don't buy it. If everyone's tastes were the same this would be a pretty boring world.
Edit: Ad hominem attacks on the OP because of his age don't make anyone look good. C'mon, guys.
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01-20-2018, 10:19 AM
#36
so don't buy it I don't care
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01-20-2018, 10:20 AM
#37
Another alternative for the OP and everyone else who has particular issues with fit and finish, but like the car, is to:
1. Find the cheapest one that is close to your dream car
2. Spend the money you saved to make it the perfect dream car
Then the only person you have to blame is yourself if it doesn't fit your specifications. There are tons of aftermarket custom parts and shops that want to install them. Good luck!
PS: The only reason I have not upgraded is because they don't have the color combination I want at this time and I'd rather buy new.
1. Find the cheapest one that is close to your dream car
2. Spend the money you saved to make it the perfect dream car
Then the only person you have to blame is yourself if it doesn't fit your specifications. There are tons of aftermarket custom parts and shops that want to install them. Good luck!
PS: The only reason I have not upgraded is because they don't have the color combination I want at this time and I'd rather buy new.
A millennial with OCD. Gotta love it.
Solution to the paint issue...get a 2019. Problem solved.
As far as the nitpicking of the steering wheel and vents around tail lights...wtf?
Drive the car and tell me you don't like how it handles...then I'd say you have a legitimate gripe. Sounds like you just don't like the car in general which is fine, but really?
Solution to the paint issue...get a 2019. Problem solved.
As far as the nitpicking of the steering wheel and vents around tail lights...wtf?
Drive the car and tell me you don't like how it handles...then I'd say you have a legitimate gripe. Sounds like you just don't like the car in general which is fine, but really?
Agreed.
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01-20-2018, 10:37 AM
#38
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Funny, was happy with my C6 Yellow Vette paint, the C7 Crystal Red Metallic paint and now the Arctic White Grand Sport paint.These are ~$65,000 cars with 2 or 3LT NOT a $250,000 Ferrari! (Even saw on TV where a new Ferrari was treated to "paint correction!")
These is a shop in town that will make your Vette a show winner. Probably only cost ~$20,000 with the paint along costing over $5000!
Did not even pay close to that for my Street Rod that had wet sanded primer before putting on flame black border, base, color and clear coats! Is it a better paint job than my Vetts? Sure but the Vette are DDs!
Yep, if you have the bucks, get a custom paint job and win shows! But suggest you not drive that final wet sanded and buffed finish as a DD!
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01-20-2018, 10:55 AM
#39
Pro
I just posted basically the same thing in another thread... the C7 isn't the only car with fit and finish issues. Go spend 5 minutes on the Ferrari or Lambo forums. There are people dropping $250K to $300K on cars and taking them straight to the detailer for 2 days worth of paint correction.
01-20-2018, 10:57 AM
#40
Drifting
with how tribal everyone seems on this forum I know I'll get flamed for posting this but whatever
GM has a real problem on their hands that they cannot get millennials to buy corvettes...
I am a "millennial".. I have a good job, I have always loved GM v8 based cars, cts-v, z06, camaros, etc.. I currently have a c5z. Of the millennials, I am one of the more likely ones to drop the cash for a c7gs.... and yet they lost me as a buyer
I have been looking at getting a brand new c7gs for quite some time and to be honest, most of the cars on the lots had pretty bad paint issues, bumper fitment issues, etc and it's a huge turn off.
This is why GM lost me as a buyer for a new c7gs:
Maybe I'll catch a used c7gs in a few years with decent paint.. I wanted to like the c7gs but I'm gunna pass on it and wait for the c8 or midengine or whatever next comes out. GM needs to fix their paint QC issues and their customer service to stand behind their product better. Nothing is going to change unless people vote with their $$ or atleast complain or both.
GM has a real problem on their hands that they cannot get millennials to buy corvettes...
I am a "millennial".. I have a good job, I have always loved GM v8 based cars, cts-v, z06, camaros, etc.. I currently have a c5z. Of the millennials, I am one of the more likely ones to drop the cash for a c7gs.... and yet they lost me as a buyer
I have been looking at getting a brand new c7gs for quite some time and to be honest, most of the cars on the lots had pretty bad paint issues, bumper fitment issues, etc and it's a huge turn off.
This is why GM lost me as a buyer for a new c7gs:
- multiple c7gs/c7z I've looked at on the lot had terrible paint issues where the bumpers meet, etc. poor fitment. This is not acceptable. Don't care what excuses 80% of you forum members have made but this is BS. This is the "halo" car and yet you can get a better factory paint QC out of a toyota camry..
- I've read multiple people on the forum who HAVE had paint issues and still bought the car. They get the runaround w/ GM and dealer of how to fix the paint issues or buyback, etc.. NO THANKS. I had one of the "best" shops in my area in LA paint my camaro after an accident where someone hit me, and had to take it back 3 times until it was acceptable. Plus the fact, the last chance I took the car in to the paint shop, they ended up damaging the center console and claimed the damage was there when the car was brought in. I had to threaten to take them to court for them to compensate me for the damage. Granted the work on my particular camaro was not done at a GM dealer, but the point stands that body work usually is half assed. No way in hell would I be ok with a dealer "fixing" my paint on my brand new $75k vehicle.
- The apparent large volume of c7z and c7gs rims being bent so easily....
- Minor personal aesthetic gripes but worth mentioning.. Steering wheel looks pretty bland and large aluminum surface. Something more race inspired like the newest gen mazda miata steering wheel or porsche steering wheels would look 100% better. Also, the vents around the tail lights on the c7 looks hideous and will go down in history as bad looking. That def will not age well. I'm A OK with them trying to change up the tail lights from being round but be honest with yourself, that back end design with the vents around the tail lights looks like an afterthought. The only version of c7 tail lights that look ok is the c7z with the clear tail lights paired with the wider hips.
Maybe I'll catch a used c7gs in a few years with decent paint.. I wanted to like the c7gs but I'm gunna pass on it and wait for the c8 or midengine or whatever next comes out. GM needs to fix their paint QC issues and their customer service to stand behind their product better. Nothing is going to change unless people vote with their $$ or atleast complain or both.
If they want to sell to Millennials, they need feedback like yours and others. I'll never forget when I worked at Harley. They hired a new marketing guy and they completely ignored their base customers. They ran all kinds of ads with Millennials buying bikes, riding around, playing pool etc. Most young adults could barely afford rent, much less a new Harley. It was a failed marketing attempt to say the least because the corporate "leadership" wasn't in touch with the market.
BTW, many of your quality complaints are universal.
Thanks for posting.
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