Too much oil?
#1
Too much oil?
I have a 2016 C7 and had the oil changed recently and now I can detect an oil smell inside the car when driving. I had the dealer check and the dipstick shows it was a quarter inch over the full mark. My service guy said that was not a problem but it does make me wonder if it is in fact overfilled. Can anyone shed any light on this. Thanks for your help.
#2
If it is only 1/4" over that isn't enough to cause any issue. My 2016 Z06 always has a slight oil smell for the first 100 miles or so after a change and the oil level is kept between the add and full marks. At the first change I suspected the dealer of either overfilling or spilling some oil but neither was the case and I get the same initial smell after I have changed it and I know that none was spilled and the fill level is correct. It dissipates soon after the change.
My first Duramax diesel had this same oil aroma issue after a change and for it I changed from the Rotella I had used for prior diesel engines to Delo 400 because the Rotella truly stank after an oil change.
My first Duramax diesel had this same oil aroma issue after a change and for it I changed from the Rotella I had used for prior diesel engines to Delo 400 because the Rotella truly stank after an oil change.
#3
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Discussed many times about the dry sump.
Do a search and lot's of info will come up.
One of the reasons many of us tell the tech to only put 9qts in and give you the 10th....to avoid overfill.
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Do a search and lot's of info will come up.
One of the reasons many of us tell the tech to only put 9qts in and give you the 10th....to avoid overfill.
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#4
If it is only 1/4" over that isn't enough to cause any issue. My 2016 Z06 always has a slight oil smell for the first 100 miles or so after a change and the oil level is kept between the add and full marks. At the first change I suspected the dealer of either overfilling or spilling some oil but neither was the case and I get the same initial smell after I have changed it and I know that none was spilled and the fill level is correct. It dissipates soon after the change.
My first Duramax diesel had this same oil aroma issue after a change and for it I changed from the Rotella I had used for prior diesel engines to Delo 400 because the Rotella truly stank after an oil change.
My first Duramax diesel had this same oil aroma issue after a change and for it I changed from the Rotella I had used for prior diesel engines to Delo 400 because the Rotella truly stank after an oil change.
#5
Grossly overfilled would be an issue but 1/4" isn't.
A couple of notes if it is a dry sump:
1.Make sure the dealer checks it at the proper time after engine shutdown. IF they wait too long the oil in the storage tank will start to drain back to to the sump and the service tech will read an actual high level as either normal or low depending upon how much time passes between engine shutdown and checking. This is a too common mistake made both by owners and dealer personnel.
2. With the dry sump GM recommends for track usage that the oil be kept at about 1/2 quart above the full line so a slight overfill definitely causes no damage with the dry sump system. With a wet sump it should not be above the full line. If either system is grossly overfilled then oil will go where it should not and this problem most commonly occurs with a service person who doesn't understand the procedure for the dry sump system and either neglects to pull both drain plugs during an oil change or takes a reading after the engine has been sitting for awhile and then overfills it because of a false low reading.
A couple of notes if it is a dry sump:
1.Make sure the dealer checks it at the proper time after engine shutdown. IF they wait too long the oil in the storage tank will start to drain back to to the sump and the service tech will read an actual high level as either normal or low depending upon how much time passes between engine shutdown and checking. This is a too common mistake made both by owners and dealer personnel.
2. With the dry sump GM recommends for track usage that the oil be kept at about 1/2 quart above the full line so a slight overfill definitely causes no damage with the dry sump system. With a wet sump it should not be above the full line. If either system is grossly overfilled then oil will go where it should not and this problem most commonly occurs with a service person who doesn't understand the procedure for the dry sump system and either neglects to pull both drain plugs during an oil change or takes a reading after the engine has been sitting for awhile and then overfills it because of a false low reading.
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#6
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The tech probably didn't wipe the pan area where oil dripped after draining from the plugs. The oil would be thrown up onto the pipes and it would smell like burnt oil for a while. As stated earlier, that is one reason some of us prefer to do our own oil changes.
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I have a 2016 C7 and had the oil changed recently and now I can detect an oil smell inside the car when driving. I had the dealer check and the dipstick shows it was a quarter inch over the full mark. My service guy said that was not a problem but it does make me wonder if it is in fact overfilled. Can anyone shed any light on this. Thanks for your help.
Doing an Oil Change requires both drain plugs be removed to drain all of the old oil. Removing only one will result in retention of a large quantity of old oil in the system and subsequent over fill. Complete fill of 9.8 quarts will take oil level to the top dot on the dipstick.
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I agree 1/4" is likely not a problem, but I like to keep it between the 2 hash marks just to ensure it doesn't burp oil through the dry sump vent lines and into the intake.
Many of us ask that only 9 qts. be added during a dry sump oil change, and for them to provide the last qt. for us to adjust the level later. My experience, over 4 oil changes, is that with only 9, the level is half-way between the 2 dipstick marks. That's likely because most dealers can't make money on an oil change by letting it drain for an extended period, and it's impossible to get all the old oil out.
The new '18 I took delivery of a couple of days ago, was just a hair over the full mark from the factory. At the 500 mile change in a couple of weeks, I'll go back to my system of only adding 9 qts, and adjust if necessary.
Many of us ask that only 9 qts. be added during a dry sump oil change, and for them to provide the last qt. for us to adjust the level later. My experience, over 4 oil changes, is that with only 9, the level is half-way between the 2 dipstick marks. That's likely because most dealers can't make money on an oil change by letting it drain for an extended period, and it's impossible to get all the old oil out.
The new '18 I took delivery of a couple of days ago, was just a hair over the full mark from the factory. At the 500 mile change in a couple of weeks, I'll go back to my system of only adding 9 qts, and adjust if necessary.
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Do you have a Dry Sump car? Base Stingray comes with a Wet Sump and the rules for it are different than they are for the Dry Sump cars. Dry Sump car has a reservoir at the rear of the engine compartment on the passenger side and the dip stick is located in the reservoir. To properly check oil level the OIL Temperature (NOT Coolant Temperature) has to be above 175 degrees before the engine is turned off. Then you must wait 5 minutes but no longer than 10 minutes to check the oil level. Drivers running on track are told to over fill the dry sump by a half quart of oil. That adds right around a 1/4 inch.
Doing an Oil Change requires both drain plugs be removed to drain all of the old oil. Removing only one will result in retention of a large quantity of old oil in the system and subsequent over fill. Complete fill of 9.8 quarts will take oil level to the top dot on the dipstick.
Bill
Doing an Oil Change requires both drain plugs be removed to drain all of the old oil. Removing only one will result in retention of a large quantity of old oil in the system and subsequent over fill. Complete fill of 9.8 quarts will take oil level to the top dot on the dipstick.
Bill
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St. Jude Donor '13
The manual on our 2017 says that dry sump engines should be kept at or near the .5 qt overfill point for track driving, which is about 1/4" above the Full mark.
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In regards to your comment, the owner’s manual indicates (pg 165) that for “ Z51 Performance Package, Grand Sport, and Z06 Only: Check the oil level often during track events and competitive driving and keep the level at or near 0.5 L (0.5 qt) above the upper mark”. This only applies for Track Events and Competitive Driving only. My comment above was for non-track oil changes. I did not see anywhere that this thread had devolved into a discussion about Track day oil change recommendations. If it had I would have made note of this requirement in my post.
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My point was that minor overfilling is not a problem on the dry sump C7, just like it wasn't on our wet sump C5 and C6, and our 2017 manual does not say anything about deliberately filling 1/8" short for either system, street or track.
The recommendation for street use is "at or near" the full mark.
Sometimes they make changes in the manual just to confuse people.
The recommendation for street use is "at or near" the full mark.
Sometimes they make changes in the manual just to confuse people.
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Actually, the recommendation for street use is anywhere between the upper and lower marks.
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Yes, the new '18 built 1/18/18, that I took delivery of a few days ago is about 1/8" above the top mark.
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FYI: see pp 224-225 for precautions, procedures, and recommendations in your 2018 Owner’s Manual. Important to note the recommended procedure for checking the oil level on a dry sump vehicle such as your Z51. Make note of the “Caution” box on pg 225.
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#18
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You're worried about 1/4 of an inch? Really?
Dude.... go drive the car.....
I don't understand why people treat these things as if they're a delicate piece of art or glass... I don't mean abuse them, but they're cars.
Dude.... go drive the car.....
I don't understand why people treat these things as if they're a delicate piece of art or glass... I don't mean abuse them, but they're cars.
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No dude...we are not worried. Spare the drama...really.
#20
Yes, I had a dry sump C6 Z06, as well as a dry sump '14 Z51. I always check it 3 times at 7,8, & 9 minutes after shutdown with the oil temp above 175º.
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