Thoughts of trading Grand Sport vs GTS
#61
Le Mans Master
The Grand Sport should be faster. I had no problem keeping up with GT3s.
I really don't think the GS and GT3RS are as neck and neck as the VIR lightning lap makes them out to be, but it can definitely run with a GT3
also, do you have carpet in your garage?
I really don't think the GS and GT3RS are as neck and neck as the VIR lightning lap makes them out to be, but it can definitely run with a GT3
also, do you have carpet in your garage?
Last edited by village idiot; 02-23-2018 at 11:29 AM.
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911Hunter (02-24-2018)
#62
Advanced
I have driven a 991.2 GT3 and Turbo. From my experience I would say the interior quality is much higher, the driving dynamics are definitely different due to engine placement, and I would say if you are ready for a change OP, I'm sure the GTS will provide a satisfying experience. If all your financial boxes are checked and your spouse (if you have one) is on board: go look at them today.
Just lease the car and give it back when you are done so you don't deal with an out of warranty turbo motor.
Just lease the car and give it back when you are done so you don't deal with an out of warranty turbo motor.
#64
Burning Brakes
#66
Not much of a discount. If the MSRP is $140 and you get an 8% discount (which is achievable on that car) it brings you to $128. It's a great car and I'd like to have one, but I would probably want a 15% discount, and it would need to have the color and options I want. Otherwise I'd order a new one.
#67
Team Owner
The GTS is a great car, no doubt. I think it is faster than a GS, but new costs about $140k MSRP with a fairly standard list of options. A good discount on a new 911 is about 8%. I have a Porsche and have had them in the past, and I have a GS too.
A few observations:
- I don't view a Porsche as a car you can put a significant amount of miles on. More things will break vs a Vette and they will cost far, far more to fix
- The build quality and luxury on a Porsche are better, but the Vette is pretty good now in this regard
- The maintenance costs on a Porsche will make you cry, and they make it very difficult for you to even change your own oil. Figure on roughly $400-450 for the oil change at 10k and 20k miles. If it has PDK figure $1500+ at 40k, and $1000+ at 30k. And this is if nothing needs to be repaired.
A few observations:
- I don't view a Porsche as a car you can put a significant amount of miles on. More things will break vs a Vette and they will cost far, far more to fix
- The build quality and luxury on a Porsche are better, but the Vette is pretty good now in this regard
- The maintenance costs on a Porsche will make you cry, and they make it very difficult for you to even change your own oil. Figure on roughly $400-450 for the oil change at 10k and 20k miles. If it has PDK figure $1500+ at 40k, and $1000+ at 30k. And this is if nothing needs to be repaired.
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easy maintenance.
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#68
speed, comfort and daily driver comparisons if anyone has or heard opinions
I would consider your driving habits first and foremost. Are you a 1K annual driver, 10K, or more?
As it has been suggested already (correctly IMO) I find the 911 GTS "statically" very pleasing: heritage, well built, with keen attention to interior materials. A great weekend car that speaks luxury better.
I think the GS has the upper hand in the sport/grand touring department (versus luxury). Mostly for its larger more spacious cabin, and long range driving dynamics. The roof off experience should be a wash if you are considering the targa version..
Cheers. P
#69
Burning Brakes
Had a 911 4s for last two summers. Really missed the vette and community of people around it. Sold the 911 and went back to a 17 stingray 3lt. The Porsche was totally different car but fun in its own right. Expensive and expensive to maintain. The Porsche was more driver centric and easier to enter exit. If I had the space I would have both but can't. Try the p car you might love it or you might end up back in a vette as I did
#70
Le Mans Master
Porsches cost TWICE as much for similar performance. As others have said, oil changes, maintenance costs etc are a lot more etc. That said, if you need to scratch the itch to go the porsche route, by all means do.
FWIW, I too wanted to try out a porsche after being a life long vette junkie. Sooooo …… in 2003 I bought a brand new 996 turbo, drove it for 5 years and replaced it with a new 2008 C6 Z06. IMHO, the Z06 was more fun and gave a more " one with the car " experience than the porsche at HALF the price.
The smarter move IMHO, is replace the GS with a Z06. I recently was ready for a change and replaced my 2014 Stingray with a lightly used excellent condition 3LZ Z06. As we all know the Z06 is on a completely different performance level than the Stingray/GS. If you have to have a porsche, get a lightly used 911 turbo that has taken a HUGE depreciation already, other wise you're liable to get lured into trading that GTS after a short time as you just have to see how much more the 911 turbo has to offer. Back in the day, I almost bought the base 911 instead of the turbo and so glad I just went straight to the turbo.
Anyway, have fun as you pursue your performance car addiction just like all the rest of us.
FWIW, I too wanted to try out a porsche after being a life long vette junkie. Sooooo …… in 2003 I bought a brand new 996 turbo, drove it for 5 years and replaced it with a new 2008 C6 Z06. IMHO, the Z06 was more fun and gave a more " one with the car " experience than the porsche at HALF the price.
The smarter move IMHO, is replace the GS with a Z06. I recently was ready for a change and replaced my 2014 Stingray with a lightly used excellent condition 3LZ Z06. As we all know the Z06 is on a completely different performance level than the Stingray/GS. If you have to have a porsche, get a lightly used 911 turbo that has taken a HUGE depreciation already, other wise you're liable to get lured into trading that GTS after a short time as you just have to see how much more the 911 turbo has to offer. Back in the day, I almost bought the base 911 instead of the turbo and so glad I just went straight to the turbo.
Anyway, have fun as you pursue your performance car addiction just like all the rest of us.
#71
Burning Brakes
As a prior 911 Carrera owner, driving a Porsche is like an extension of your self, very high driver's involvement specially at the track or while doing spirited driving, is why always they score highly on MT best driver's cars. Very light and with extremely high handling dynamics. But you would miss the V8 strong power and its great sounding engine exhaust noise, while idling the 6 cyls engine of the Porsche would sound like an old washing machine, and the cost of maintenance and bad reliability of the car would empty your pockets. When I left that car for an American muscle car, I swear to never go back to an European car. By the way the C7 Stingray has better looks and most people wouldn't be able to distinguish 911 model years. Lately I have been curious about Caymans. Good luck in your decision, it would depend on how deep is your pocket and like my Porsche's mechanic used to say, "there is no low cost Porsches".
Last edited by 911Hunter; 02-24-2018 at 07:46 AM.
#73
Intermediate
Woodranch, I have been there myself. I traded in a 09 911 4S for a 09 Vette. Hated myself after i did that, then came my first oil change. I was like OK, thats a good price for an oil change for a Chevy. Have had 3 Vettes, since then and I love them. My only complainant with the 911 was price of service, and the tightness of the cabin. So my answer is keep both and have the best of both worlds.
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#74
Racer
Sure, you can do the oil change. But you cannot reset the service indicator on a Porsche through the dash menus. You need special software, a cable, and a PC. I do this but most people do not and need to bring the car to the dealer. To change PDK oil you *need* the dealer’s PIWIS software system. Even an indy mechanic can’t do it. Costs about $1500 every 40k miles.
Last edited by Near Miss; 02-28-2018 at 06:20 PM.
#75
Drifting