C7 reliability generally blows
03-06-2018, 12:12 AM
#61
Drifting
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Again, the least reliable car today is going to be pretty reliable compared to problematic cars of 30-40 years ago. EFI, computers, etc. all have glitches but they break less than carbs and other more mechanical stuff on cars from 1984, everything is more reliable. That doesn't do much for you if you're Jay up there with a pain in the *** C7. One issue I have with CR is they should try to quantify the odds of getting a car that's a pain - they do once in a while, but they really should emphasize it so that people can put their data into perspective.
03-06-2018, 01:07 AM
#62
Instructor
Today while driving, my speedometer in the instrument display stopped displaying MPH ... though the HUD functioned normally. When I arrived at my destination shutdown/restart (after 1 hour) all worked fine... I imagined and feared having to return to the dealer for a fix...thankfully, it wasn't necessary. 
03-06-2018, 01:29 AM
#63
Burning Brakes
No, not likely. The NUMMI Chevys and Toyotas were built nose-to-tail on the same assembly line with identical power trains, electronics, etc. Only badges, grilles, lights, and trim were different. Same car, but one had a Nova badge, and the other said Corolla. There were less differences in those cars than between base, Z51, GS, and Z06 built on the same assembly line at BG.
The vastly different ratings were purely a function of owner expectations based upon brand reputations at the time. Toyotas were supposed to be perfect, and Chevy's were supposed to be crap. That's the problem w/ self-report ratings.
The vastly different ratings were purely a function of owner expectations based upon brand reputations at the time. Toyotas were supposed to be perfect, and Chevy's were supposed to be crap. That's the problem w/ self-report ratings.
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03-06-2018, 07:42 AM
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Consumer Reports?? Are you serious. The liberal publication that despises all things V8?? I doubt they have changed their anti-American V8 stance over the past 15 years but I banished it from my house after they constantly gave US cars horrible grades across the board in the 1990's and early 2000's. Didn't matter if it was a GM or Ford, black marks and 'cars to avoid'. All 
Having owned V8 Firebirds and Mustangs from 1996 models on up I can honestly say they are the best cars I have ever owned and basically trouble free. I've had my Trans Am since new and the Mustang as well. No intention of selling.
Having owned V8 Firebirds and Mustangs from 1996 models on up I can honestly say they are the best cars I have ever owned and basically trouble free. I've had my Trans Am since new and the Mustang as well. No intention of selling.
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03-06-2018, 07:44 AM
#67
LOL . . . we're talking about a story from 30 years ago.
03-06-2018, 09:08 AM
#68
Drifting
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OK, maybe the thread title is a little inflammatory.
03-06-2018, 09:14 AM
#69
Drifting
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumers_Union
Do you make this stuff up or does Jesus bring you visions during the Fox News commercial breaks?
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03-06-2018, 09:16 AM
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03-06-2018, 09:18 AM
#71
Drifting
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Cars are generally appliances for most people, and they're an enormous waste of money. But I love them like you guys.
It's a problem.
03-06-2018, 09:55 AM
#72
Exactly. Like the polar opposite of the idiots @ Car & Driver who test drive a Prius with their foot to the floor for a week and then say 'and the best we could get was 28 mpg'. The soul-less, impartial and not-blinded-by-car-passion viewpoint is an important one when considering a car purchase, the second priciest acquisition for most of us (after our homes).
Cars are generally appliances for most people, and they're an enormous waste of money. But I love them like you guys.
It's a problem.
Cars are generally appliances for most people, and they're an enormous waste of money. But I love them like you guys.
It's a problem.
03-06-2018, 10:26 AM
#73
Burning Brakes
I have a 2014 Z51 7M and although it's 4 1/2 years old I am just shy of 15k miles. I had the rear hatch release replaced, no other issues. CR is heavily biased towards Japanese cars, and although I buy the new car issue every year I can pretty much guess which models they will recommend.
I did agree with their comments about the noise (I, too bought sound deadening mats from a Forum vendor), and getting in/out could best be described as a new yoga move. But, it is a high performance sports car, and the Porsche I had was no different for ingress/egress.
As an aside, the CR New Car issue from 2016 shows the 2014 model as extremely reliable, and the car is listed as 'recommended' by CR. Go figure. My guess is the A8 may be the culprit for the new reviews.
I did agree with their comments about the noise (I, too bought sound deadening mats from a Forum vendor), and getting in/out could best be described as a new yoga move. But, it is a high performance sports car, and the Porsche I had was no different for ingress/egress.
As an aside, the CR New Car issue from 2016 shows the 2014 model as extremely reliable, and the car is listed as 'recommended' by CR. Go figure. My guess is the A8 may be the culprit for the new reviews.
03-06-2018, 10:28 AM
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03-06-2018, 11:24 AM
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Consumer Reports?? Are you serious. The liberal publication that despises all things V8?? I doubt they have changed their anti-American V8 stance over the past 15 years but I banished it from my house after they constantly gave US cars horrible grades across the board in the 1990's and early 2000's. Didn't matter if it was a GM or Ford, black marks and 'cars to avoid'. All
Having owned V8 Firebirds and Mustangs from 1996 models on up I can honestly say they are the best cars I have ever owned and basically trouble free. I've had my Trans Am since new and the Mustang as well. No intention of selling.
Having owned V8 Firebirds and Mustangs from 1996 models on up I can honestly say they are the best cars I have ever owned and basically trouble free. I've had my Trans Am since new and the Mustang as well. No intention of selling.
What makes our cars (C6/C7) better today than years before? Better technology. Not the HUD or cool dash/HU, but as it relates to the manufacturer process, testing, implementation, more testing. We have people and robots that build these cars with very little tolerance for mistakes or errors. We have measuring devices inside the vehicles to keep us safe(r), immediate diagnostic information, preventative warnings. They've also included the human "seat-of-pants" experience and tweaking. The greatest change, IMO, is the C7 interior. It is now a proper sports car with all the technology, fit-finish, seating and overall ergonomics. Even the Bose stereo sounds better (the louder you set it).
03-06-2018, 11:35 AM
#76
Burning Brakes
UGH... I'm scratching my head that someone would actually rely on a magazine to determine the reliability of a $65K+ sports car.
The comparisons of C7's to Toyota's is way too broad. One's obviously a model, ones an entire brand. (Full disclosure, I currently own & have previously owned, several Toyota Tundra's and Corvettes. Both models have been extremely reliable for me. Go figure).
The problem with the review & report is it requires long term testing under 'typical use conditions' as a major parameter and they are not in a position to do that. So they instead resort to 'Consumer Reviews' which opens the door to very skewed data points. Problems such as Confirmation Bias, Recency, Central Tendencies, and Sampling Bias are all going to lead to faulty conclusions. Hence my first sentence, who would actually rely on this to make an informed decision on what is actually an emotional purchase anyways? I can't believe anyone who buys a C7 Corvette is emotionless during the process. Read how some people respond when their beloved Corvette is scrutinized in the least bit...
The comparisons of C7's to Toyota's is way too broad. One's obviously a model, ones an entire brand. (Full disclosure, I currently own & have previously owned, several Toyota Tundra's and Corvettes. Both models have been extremely reliable for me. Go figure).
The problem with the review & report is it requires long term testing under 'typical use conditions' as a major parameter and they are not in a position to do that. So they instead resort to 'Consumer Reviews' which opens the door to very skewed data points. Problems such as Confirmation Bias, Recency, Central Tendencies, and Sampling Bias are all going to lead to faulty conclusions. Hence my first sentence, who would actually rely on this to make an informed decision on what is actually an emotional purchase anyways? I can't believe anyone who buys a C7 Corvette is emotionless during the process. Read how some people respond when their beloved Corvette is scrutinized in the least bit...
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03-06-2018, 11:45 AM
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Please do not interpret this as someone who supports CR as I don't. I think the magazine is a rag and have zero respect for their opinions based on how they determine their ratings and poor performance based on our personal use of CR. However, the truth is they are not Japanese.
03-06-2018, 12:06 PM
#78
If CR was Japanese owned then the quality of analysis would likely be higher 
03-06-2018, 12:58 PM
#79
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IMO every source has a bias, as evidenced by their target audiences... Motor Trend differs from Car and Driver which differs from Hot Rod which differs from Road and Track which differs from Consumer reports...
When preparing to spend $70+k for anything, it seems that a conscientious consumer would review multiple sources provide a more detailed picture of the intended purchase...
When preparing to spend $70+k for anything, it seems that a conscientious consumer would review multiple sources provide a more detailed picture of the intended purchase...
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03-06-2018, 01:44 PM
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UGH... I'm scratching my head that someone would actually rely on a magazine to determine the reliability of a $65K+ sports car.
The comparisons of C7's to Toyota's is way too broad. One's obviously a model, ones an entire brand. (Full disclosure, I currently own & have previously owned, several Toyota Tundra's and Corvettes. Both models have been extremely reliable for me. Go figure).
The problem with the review & report is it requires long term testing under 'typical use conditions' as a major parameter and they are not in a position to do that. So they instead resort to 'Consumer Reviews' which opens the door to very skewed data points. Problems such as Confirmation Bias, Recency, Central Tendencies, and Sampling Bias are all going to lead to faulty conclusions. Hence my first sentence, who would actually rely on this to make an informed decision on what is actually an emotional purchase anyways? I can't believe anyone who buys a C7 Corvette is emotionless during the process. Read how some people respond when their beloved Corvette is scrutinized in the least bit...
The comparisons of C7's to Toyota's is way too broad. One's obviously a model, ones an entire brand. (Full disclosure, I currently own & have previously owned, several Toyota Tundra's and Corvettes. Both models have been extremely reliable for me. Go figure).
The problem with the review & report is it requires long term testing under 'typical use conditions' as a major parameter and they are not in a position to do that. So they instead resort to 'Consumer Reviews' which opens the door to very skewed data points. Problems such as Confirmation Bias, Recency, Central Tendencies, and Sampling Bias are all going to lead to faulty conclusions. Hence my first sentence, who would actually rely on this to make an informed decision on what is actually an emotional purchase anyways? I can't believe anyone who buys a C7 Corvette is emotionless during the process. Read how some people respond when their beloved Corvette is scrutinized in the least bit...