Bad dealer experience @ 500 mile oil change.
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Burning Brakes
They mailed me a $20 discount coupon for my next oil change, so probably back there again for my first paid one...
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#23
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Not that I am aware of but if you ask around at your dealership there are usually only one or two techs that anyone would let touch their corvette. Find those techs to up your chances of success.
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This is what is stated in the CAUTION box in the Owner's Manual:
"Do not add too much oil. Oil levels above or below the acceptable operating range shown on the dipstick are harmful to the engine. If you find that you have an oil level above the operating range, i.e., the engine has so much oil that the oil level gets above the cross-hatched area that shows the proper operating range, the engine could be damaged. You should drain out the excess oil or limit driving of the vehicle and seek a service professional to remove the excess amount of oil."
I do all my own oil changes and always fill to a level not by some "estimated volume" (as it notes should be done in the 4 volume set of Service Manuals-and what I have done for 60 years!)
If I had a dealer change, I would check the level when I picked up the car. Even in a wet sump the oil should be hot BUT if checking, cold oil it will be a slight bit lower but if it is above the MAX mark on the dip stick tell the dealer and have some removed!
In a dry sump the oil should be hot so let it idle for ~10 minutes and check per the Owner's Manual using a watch! It's not rocket science just have to read! You have to learn to do it right anyway-you do check oil level periodically-don't you??
The problem with mechanics is the same with all skilled trades-not enough good folks want to do it! So a newbie or "Mechanic's Helper" is often assigned to the oil change service bay. May have been flipping burgers a short time before this first mechanics job!
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#26
"Just one more reason..."
Seriously? That wins the prize for most ridiculous post on the thread.
Amazing how people are so insecure about their purchases that they have to justify it by making such silly posts.
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It is pretty bad when you take your new 500 mile Corvette for its first oil change and the dealer does not know how many quarts it takes and even worse they don't even have the oil.
I have a base without the dry sump. When I go in for service they say, you missed your 500 mile oil change. I say that is only for the corvettes with dry sumps. They say ok, well you get 3 free oil changes anyway.
I just always request the Corvette tech at my dealership. I don't want anyone else touching it.
I have a base without the dry sump. When I go in for service they say, you missed your 500 mile oil change. I say that is only for the corvettes with dry sumps. They say ok, well you get 3 free oil changes anyway.
I just always request the Corvette tech at my dealership. I don't want anyone else touching it.
It's possible Mistakes are made. If you can "be there" next to whomever does the oil change, it doesn't hurt. Not every shop will allow it tho. I've "corrected" the oil changer person re quarts of oil in the past. He wasn't offended.
#28
Some of you guys need to get over yourselves. Dealerships don't stock parts based on you calling to make an appointment. They stock parts based on past sales and it is all computerized. I will guarantee you the parts department had no idea you were coming nor should they have. When you work on one Corvette a week, as many dealers do, they are not a priority regardless of what you paid for it.
The service advisors job is not to work on your car nor to know all the nuances of its capacities. His job is to reduce to writing your complaints and concerns and then to act as the coordinator between you and the technician and to help you through the process of navigating the service department. It is solely the technicians job to understand how to properly complete your service. The best service advisors I ever had never worked on a car but were excellent communicators.
The service advisors job is not to work on your car nor to know all the nuances of its capacities. His job is to reduce to writing your complaints and concerns and then to act as the coordinator between you and the technician and to help you through the process of navigating the service department. It is solely the technicians job to understand how to properly complete your service. The best service advisors I ever had never worked on a car but were excellent communicators.
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Some of you guys need to get over yourselves. Dealerships don't stock parts based on you calling to make an appointment. They stock parts based on past sales and it is all computerized. I will guarantee you the parts department had no idea you were coming nor should they have. When you work on one Corvette a week, as many dealers do, they are not a priority regardless of what you paid for it.
The service advisors job is not to work on your car nor to know all the nuances of its capacities. His job is to reduce to writing your complaints and concerns and then to act as the coordinator between you and the technician and to help you through the process of navigating the service department. It is solely the technicians job to understand how to properly complete your service. The best service advisors I ever had never worked on a car but were excellent communicators.
The service advisors job is not to work on your car nor to know all the nuances of its capacities. His job is to reduce to writing your complaints and concerns and then to act as the coordinator between you and the technician and to help you through the process of navigating the service department. It is solely the technicians job to understand how to properly complete your service. The best service advisors I ever had never worked on a car but were excellent communicators.
It is flat out unacceptable for a client to come in for an appointment and the dealership to not have the right amount of oil to complete the job they accepted an appointment for, or for one of their techs to be assigned to the job and not know how to do it.
#31
Burning Brakes
Sorry if a customer is coming in for a specific purpose and you know that in advance you should have the part. If you need new tires should you drop off the car for a few days so they can order it????
I find if I get no satisfaction - email to GM and poor yelp and google reviews are a just reward to the dealership service department
I find if I get no satisfaction - email to GM and poor yelp and google reviews are a just reward to the dealership service department
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Bottom line - if the dealership takes a service appointment for a car they sell, like the corvette, it is their responsibility to have the right oil, the right amount of oil, and oil change people who know how to properly change the oil in your vehicle. If they don't, then the people running the dealership are incompetent, plain and simple.
It is flat out unacceptable for a client to come in for an appointment and the dealership to not have the right amount of oil to complete the job they accepted an appointment for, or for one of their techs to be assigned to the job and not know how to do it.
It is flat out unacceptable for a client to come in for an appointment and the dealership to not have the right amount of oil to complete the job they accepted an appointment for, or for one of their techs to be assigned to the job and not know how to do it.
The number of posts on this forum detailing dealers that don't know how to do an oil change, that don't know how to do an alignment, that can't change the tires, that have never heard of the MRC software update, that don't seem to be able to read GM bulletins that are posted here in plain english is absurd. And that's just the service side of the equation. Don't get me started on the sales side where they don't know basic vehicle features, don't give a fair trade in value, offer non-competitive finance, make up huge profit-making scams like "dealer doc fees", and then happily take hold back plus the difference between invoice and MSRP for their "value add".
The whole system needs to be scrapped. Or better yet, laws preventing alternative systems need to go away and just watch the dealer system as it is now go extinct. When your entire business model only exists because it is illegal for it not to...there's a huge problem.
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Actually, this got me curious and I went back to check my invoice for the 2 free oil changes on my Stingray and they have been way overfilled. Once invoice showed a quantity of 10 and another 8 for the quarts of oil used. This is at Parkway Chevy in Tomball Texas. I am so freaking pissed right now and just left a voice mail for the service department manager to call me back. Been driving the car for almost 2 years with it being overfilled.
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One of the few good things about living in CT is I'm near Jackson Chevrolet in Middletown where Paul Koerner is THE Corvette tech. Google his name. I never worry about anything he's done on my C7 up to and including my dry sump oil changes'.
BTW GM has a certification of some tech's they call "GM World Class Technician". Sounds like you guy's should call the dealer to see if they have such a person.
BTW GM has a certification of some tech's they call "GM World Class Technician". Sounds like you guy's should call the dealer to see if they have such a person.
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All good advice above.
I can't get over any service advisor actually saying, "for 2019, the capacity has changed from 7 to 10 qts." and that someone actually believed that nonsense. From the beginning, base wet sump Stingrays have taken 7 qts., and the dry sump versions take 9.8, when totally empty. The lack of knowledge of the product at dealers is inexcusable, and owners need to inform themselves to defend against the level of incompetence at way too many dealers.
BTW, we still need a sticky on the top of every C7 page saying 9 QUARTS ONLY ON A C7 DRY SUMP DEALER OIL CHANGE AND ADJUST THE LEVEL LATER IF NECESSARY. This has been noted probably a thousand times, yet it still comes up daily. I'm pretty sure the OP now has his overfilled.
I can't get over any service advisor actually saying, "for 2019, the capacity has changed from 7 to 10 qts." and that someone actually believed that nonsense. From the beginning, base wet sump Stingrays have taken 7 qts., and the dry sump versions take 9.8, when totally empty. The lack of knowledge of the product at dealers is inexcusable, and owners need to inform themselves to defend against the level of incompetence at way too many dealers.
BTW, we still need a sticky on the top of every C7 page saying 9 QUARTS ONLY ON A C7 DRY SUMP DEALER OIL CHANGE AND ADJUST THE LEVEL LATER IF NECESSARY. This has been noted probably a thousand times, yet it still comes up daily. I'm pretty sure the OP now has his overfilled.
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This is what really needs to be a sticky. I know some dealers here have reached mythical status--and I had a great purchase transaction from MacMulkin--but the hard fact is that the dealer-manufacturer system is horrible and only exists because of laws and lobbying. In almost all cases, dealers sit in the middle of expensive transactions to siphon money and actually drain value instead of adding any.
The number of posts on this forum detailing dealers that don't know how to do an oil change, that don't know how to do an alignment, that can't change the tires, that have never heard of the MRC software update, that don't seem to be able to read GM bulletins that are posted here in plain english is absurd. And that's just the service side of the equation. Don't get me started on the sales side where they don't know basic vehicle features, don't give a fair trade in value, offer non-competitive finance, make up huge profit-making scams like "dealer doc fees", and then happily take hold back plus the difference between invoice and MSRP for their "value add".
The whole system needs to be scrapped. Or better yet, laws preventing alternative systems need to go away and just watch the dealer system as it is now go extinct. When your entire business model only exists because it is illegal for it not to...there's a huge problem.
The number of posts on this forum detailing dealers that don't know how to do an oil change, that don't know how to do an alignment, that can't change the tires, that have never heard of the MRC software update, that don't seem to be able to read GM bulletins that are posted here in plain english is absurd. And that's just the service side of the equation. Don't get me started on the sales side where they don't know basic vehicle features, don't give a fair trade in value, offer non-competitive finance, make up huge profit-making scams like "dealer doc fees", and then happily take hold back plus the difference between invoice and MSRP for their "value add".
The whole system needs to be scrapped. Or better yet, laws preventing alternative systems need to go away and just watch the dealer system as it is now go extinct. When your entire business model only exists because it is illegal for it not to...there's a huge problem.
At the end of the day, the only complaint the OP really has is that he waited an inordinate amount of time for an oil change. Who really cares if the service writer does not know how many quarts of oil the car holds? The mechanic obviously did know...hence the wait. Your never going to show me any service facility that always has every part every time in any industry. As said before, sometimes we need to get over ourselves!
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Not the new 0W-40 dexos 2 “stuff” being used to fill 2019 Vettes. It’s now the preferred oil to use on all C7’s! Stuff is like hens teeth, only currently at dealers.
Suspect parts dept called NAPA and others that delivery and found out they did not have it either and waited for a few quarts on 0-30 or the European 0-40 (that is not dexos certified) to be delivered! Can hear the dealer parts guy noww: “NAPA, do you have Mobile 0-40 in stock. Reply, sure will send it over in our delivery truck!” NAPA etc had no idea what this new Mobile oil is, just call and ask! I have!
Just changed the oil in my 2017 Grand Sport and used what I have in the past for C7’s, 0-30 Mobil 1 dexos Certifed from Walmart in 5 quart jugs. After the Mobil rebate paid $2.20/quart. Bet they won’t have the new 0W-40 for 6+ months. If it is significantly more money I’ll continue to use what I have in my C7’s since October 2013. I don’t Track so it’s fine for me.
Not the new 0W-40 dexos 2 “stuff” being used to fill 2019 Vettes. It’s now the preferred oil to use on all C7’s! Stuff is like hens teeth, only currently at dealers.
Suspect parts dept called NAPA and others that delivery and found out they did not have it either and waited for a few quarts on 0-30 or the European 0-40 (that is not dexos certified) to be delivered! Can hear the dealer parts guy noww: “NAPA, do you have Mobile 0-40 in stock. Reply, sure will send it over in our delivery truck!” NAPA etc had no idea what this new Mobile oil is, just call and ask! I have!
Just changed the oil in my 2017 Grand Sport and used what I have in the past for C7’s, 0-30 Mobil 1 dexos Certifed from Walmart in 5 quart jugs. After the Mobil rebate paid $2.20/quart. Bet they won’t have the new 0W-40 for 6+ months. If it is significantly more money I’ll continue to use what I have in my C7’s since October 2013. I don’t Track so it’s fine for me.
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Guess I don't feel so bad taking my own oil now! At least I know the right quantity to bring...
Someone (like the service manager) should have pulled cash out of his wallet and sent a carwash kid over to O'Reiley's to pick up the needed oil while you were waiting. That's how I would have handled it int he real world.
Someone (like the service manager) should have pulled cash out of his wallet and sent a carwash kid over to O'Reiley's to pick up the needed oil while you were waiting. That's how I would have handled it int he real world.
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