Lost to a Tesla
07-27-2018, 06:52 PM
#241
There's a video on the web of a P100D with a stripped interior street racing. It starts with stock challengers and works up to mustangs with big blocks, superchargers and nitrous. The owner of the P100D cleaned house. Didn't take a break for a recharge either.
07-27-2018, 07:08 PM
#242
07-28-2018, 03:23 AM
#243
Team Owner
Everyone needs to bite the bullet and recognize we are in a period of transition, and the hot-rodders of the future will be the kids swapping out oxygen-free conductors, exotic high-discharge capacitors, ultrarare-earth magnet motors, and above all, *programmers* who want to get maximum possible acceleration without SNAPPING THE DRIVER'S FREAKIN' NECK 
With motors that respond to digital inputs at all four wheels, precision torque management and precision resistive/regenerative braking is becoming a Thing, and it's got amazing potential.
There is an avalanche of fast, competent battery-electric cars coming in the next 5 years to add to what we already have. The Teslas; the Rimacs (the Rimacs!); the i8 (generator hybrid, I know); the (very good for what it does) Bolt - they're about to be joined by Volvo Polestars, Jaguar's I-Pace (another freakin' crossover); Audi e-Trons; Fisker EMotion (maybe) and the Porsche Taycan (production iteration of the Mission E) -
...mother of Chrome, it's full of stars...
With motors that respond to digital inputs at all four wheels, precision torque management and precision resistive/regenerative braking is becoming a Thing, and it's got amazing potential.
There is an avalanche of fast, competent battery-electric cars coming in the next 5 years to add to what we already have. The Teslas; the Rimacs (the Rimacs!); the i8 (generator hybrid, I know); the (very good for what it does) Bolt - they're about to be joined by Volvo Polestars, Jaguar's I-Pace (another freakin' crossover); Audi e-Trons; Fisker EMotion (maybe) and the Porsche Taycan (production iteration of the Mission E) -
...mother of Chrome, it's full of stars...
Last edited by Wadoka; 07-28-2018 at 03:31 AM.
07-28-2018, 10:39 AM
#244
Team Owner
I got whooped by a grandmother in her KIA Soul yesterday.in the Walmart parking lot. She cut me off and grabbed
"my" handicap parking space.
When she got out of her Soul, I tasered her skinny ***, and stole her walker. When I got inside Walmart, I beat her to the last available "high tech" electric powered, riding shopping cart.
"my" handicap parking space.
When she got out of her Soul, I tasered her skinny ***, and stole her walker. When I got inside Walmart, I beat her to the last available "high tech" electric powered, riding shopping cart.
07-28-2018, 02:16 PM
#245
Le Mans Master
07-28-2018, 04:07 PM
#246
Exception ID 10T
Everyone needs to bite the bullet and recognize we are in a period of transition, and the hot-rodders of the future will be the kids swapping out oxygen-free conductors, exotic high-discharge capacitors, ultrarare-earth magnet motors, and above all, *programmers* who want to get maximum possible acceleration without SNAPPING THE DRIVER'S FREAKIN' NECK
With motors that respond to digital inputs at all four wheels, precision torque management and precision resistive/regenerative braking is becoming a Thing, and it's got amazing potential.
There is an avalanche of fast, competent battery-electric cars coming in the next 5 years to add to what we already have. The Teslas; the Rimacs (the Rimacs!); the i8 (generator hybrid, I know); the (very good for what it does) Bolt - they're about to be joined by Volvo Polestars, Jaguar's I-Pace (another freakin' crossover); Audi e-Trons; Fisker EMotion (maybe) and the Porsche Taycan (production iteration of the Mission E) -
...mother of Chrome, it's full of stars...
With motors that respond to digital inputs at all four wheels, precision torque management and precision resistive/regenerative braking is becoming a Thing, and it's got amazing potential.
There is an avalanche of fast, competent battery-electric cars coming in the next 5 years to add to what we already have. The Teslas; the Rimacs (the Rimacs!); the i8 (generator hybrid, I know); the (very good for what it does) Bolt - they're about to be joined by Volvo Polestars, Jaguar's I-Pace (another freakin' crossover); Audi e-Trons; Fisker EMotion (maybe) and the Porsche Taycan (production iteration of the Mission E) -
...mother of Chrome, it's full of stars...
Watched him run the 1320 many times.
https://motorsports.nbcsports.com/20...ovation-at-86/
Last edited by Null Pointer; 07-28-2018 at 04:37 PM.
07-28-2018, 06:14 PM
#247
Le Mans Master
Driving enjoyment cannot be simply defined by what some think is 'fastest' or "best" -- if it were, we'd likely all be driving top fuel dragsters.
Why drive a Miata when a Corvette is absolutely faster?
Why drive a Corvette when a Miata is lighter/more responsive?
Why drive a 2 seater when most say a 4-door sedan is "better" and more useful?
Why drive a manual transmission when an automatic shifts 'faster' than any human?
Why drive a gas V8 when an electric motor is faster in the 1/4?
Why drive at ALL when self-driving cars are easier, safer, and better (give us more time to Facebook/Twitter/etc)?
See how we as drivers often disagree with what some consider 'best', or heaven forbid -- "what is best for us"? So the statement that 'electrics are going to soon replace gas-motored sports cars just because electrics can be faster' seems unsupported by history, nor does there seem to exist wide agreement that electrics will win over the majority of current auto enthusiasts.
For myself, I define driving enjoyment NOT from a single metric such as "what is fastest from A to B", but as the harmonious and symbiotic interaction of man and a machine tuned for driving (thus my penchant for human-involving, yet slower manual transmissions). While electric motors may be great for commuters, buses, and other transportation appliances, for my enjoyment, they don't have the soul that exists in a gasoline engine.
Enjoy your Tesla if that's what makes you happy, but don't look down on those who do NOT share your thinking that 'electric' is the end-all be-all of sports cars.
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07-31-2018, 10:51 AM
#249
Racer
I don't have a problem with Tesla, I just like the sound and feel of an internal combustion engine. To me, driving a Tesla is a little bit like driving an electric golf car; a bit too muted for my taste. The only thing that bothers me about Tesla is the exterior design lacking a front grille on the car. I understand why it doesn't need a grille, but it just looks unfinished; like a fiberglass mold that they forgot to cut the grille opening out of.
07-31-2018, 11:28 AM
#250
Le Mans Master
Since I own both, let me clear up a little FUD for you here.
First, I don't think the model S would make a great first/only car for a family that takes a lot of back road adventures.
That said, however, my S gets over 300 miles and that's more than enough - it's about a tank of gas in the Vette, if you think about it that way. The only time it's even been an issue was on a round trip seattle-portland where a 20 minute coffee break at a Supercharger is needed. For free, mind you.
In a gas car you're going to have to stop for gas anyway once.
I don't have any "range anxiety" until it gets down to about 1/8 of a tank, but I've never driven it much under 1/2, so it's sized big enough for me (though I do have the biggest 100kwhr battery).
I surprised Americans are hating on American ingenuity and manufacturing so harshly! As a furrener, I think you should be proud of what the USA has accomplished, it leads the world in electric cars. Whether the gov't meddling was helpful or worth it is another story for another day. But the Tesla is no Leaf.
First, I don't think the model S would make a great first/only car for a family that takes a lot of back road adventures.
That said, however, my S gets over 300 miles and that's more than enough - it's about a tank of gas in the Vette, if you think about it that way. The only time it's even been an issue was on a round trip seattle-portland where a 20 minute coffee break at a Supercharger is needed. For free, mind you.
In a gas car you're going to have to stop for gas anyway once.
I don't have any "range anxiety" until it gets down to about 1/8 of a tank, but I've never driven it much under 1/2, so it's sized big enough for me (though I do have the biggest 100kwhr battery).
I surprised Americans are hating on American ingenuity and manufacturing so harshly! As a furrener, I think you should be proud of what the USA has accomplished, it leads the world in electric cars. Whether the gov't meddling was helpful or worth it is another story for another day. But the Tesla is no Leaf.
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07-31-2018, 11:41 AM
#251
Le Mans Master
Since I own both, let me clear up a little FUD for you here.
First, I don't think the model S would make a great first/only car for a family that takes a lot of back road adventures.
That said, however, my S gets over 300 miles and that's more than enough - it's about a tank of gas in the Vette, if you think about it that way. The only time it's even been an issue was on a round trip seattle-portland where a 20 minute coffee break at a Supercharger is needed. For free, mind you.
In a gas car you're going to have to stop for gas anyway once.
I don't have any "range anxiety" until it gets down to about 1/8 of a tank, but I've never driven it much under 1/2, so it's sized big enough for me (though I do have the biggest 100kwhr battery).
I surprised Americans are hating on American ingenuity and manufacturing so harshly! As a furrener, I think you should be proud of what the USA has accomplished, it leads the world in electric cars. Whether the gov't meddling was helpful or worth it is another story for another day. But the Tesla is no Leaf.
First, I don't think the model S would make a great first/only car for a family that takes a lot of back road adventures.
That said, however, my S gets over 300 miles and that's more than enough - it's about a tank of gas in the Vette, if you think about it that way. The only time it's even been an issue was on a round trip seattle-portland where a 20 minute coffee break at a Supercharger is needed. For free, mind you.
In a gas car you're going to have to stop for gas anyway once.
I don't have any "range anxiety" until it gets down to about 1/8 of a tank, but I've never driven it much under 1/2, so it's sized big enough for me (though I do have the biggest 100kwhr battery).
I surprised Americans are hating on American ingenuity and manufacturing so harshly! As a furrener, I think you should be proud of what the USA has accomplished, it leads the world in electric cars. Whether the gov't meddling was helpful or worth it is another story for another day. But the Tesla is no Leaf.
The other issue is the recharging time. Yeah, you may not take a road trip all that often, but it's nice to have the ability when you need it. That limitation of the electrics is going to deter a lot of folks even after the image problem has been overcome.
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07-31-2018, 11:41 AM
#252
I surprised Americans are hating on American ingenuity and manufacturing so harshly! As a furrener, I think you should be proud of what the USA has accomplished, it leads the world in electric cars. Whether the gov't meddling was helpful or worth it is another story for another day. But the Tesla is no Leaf.
07-31-2018, 12:35 PM
#253
Since I own both, let me clear up a little FUD for you here.
First, I don't think the model S would make a great first/only car for a family that takes a lot of back road adventures.
That said, however, my S gets over 300 miles and that's more than enough - it's about a tank of gas in the Vette, if you think about it that way. The only time it's even been an issue was on a round trip seattle-portland where a 20 minute coffee break at a Supercharger is needed. For free, mind you.
In a gas car you're going to have to stop for gas anyway once.
I don't have any "range anxiety" until it gets down to about 1/8 of a tank, but I've never driven it much under 1/2, so it's sized big enough for me (though I do have the biggest 100kwhr battery).
I surprised Americans are hating on American ingenuity and manufacturing so harshly! As a furrener, I think you should be proud of what the USA has accomplished, it leads the world in electric cars. Whether the gov't meddling was helpful or worth it is another story for another day. But the Tesla is no Leaf.
First, I don't think the model S would make a great first/only car for a family that takes a lot of back road adventures.
That said, however, my S gets over 300 miles and that's more than enough - it's about a tank of gas in the Vette, if you think about it that way. The only time it's even been an issue was on a round trip seattle-portland where a 20 minute coffee break at a Supercharger is needed. For free, mind you.
In a gas car you're going to have to stop for gas anyway once.
I don't have any "range anxiety" until it gets down to about 1/8 of a tank, but I've never driven it much under 1/2, so it's sized big enough for me (though I do have the biggest 100kwhr battery).
I surprised Americans are hating on American ingenuity and manufacturing so harshly! As a furrener, I think you should be proud of what the USA has accomplished, it leads the world in electric cars. Whether the gov't meddling was helpful or worth it is another story for another day. But the Tesla is no Leaf.
We live in a society where FACTS are not demonstrable...there are a matter of FAITH.
As I mentioned before, electric cars have a bad image as something driven by smug liberals so they can feel superior to the rest of us deplorables. No matter what the reality, electric cars will have to overcome that image before they will meet with general acceptance.
The other issue is the recharging time. Yeah, you may not take a road trip all that often, but it's nice to have the ability when you need it.
That limitation of the electrics is going to deter a lot of folks even after the image problem has been overcome.
That limitation of the electrics is going to deter a lot of folks even after the image problem has been overcome.
Check out the this map of charging stations across the country from the Dept. of Energy:
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/el...rest?fuel=ELEC
07-31-2018, 01:08 PM
#254
Le Mans Master
If I knew that, I'd be making a zillion dollars running a marketing firm instead of programming computers.
It has less to do with availability and more to do with charging TIME. Even the DC Fast Charging stations, what Tesla calls Supercharging stations, put out a MAXIMUM 60 Kw. That means even on the fastest setting, it will take nearly two hours to recharge the Tesla S, compared to 5 minutes for a gas powered car. Assuming you don't have to wait in line.
As Dave indicated above, access to a charging stations is not a problem.
Check out the this map of charging stations across the country from the Dept. of Energy:
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/el...rest?fuel=ELEC
Check out the this map of charging stations across the country from the Dept. of Energy:
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/el...rest?fuel=ELEC
08-01-2018, 03:54 AM
#255
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If I knew that, I'd be making a zillion dollars running a marketing firm instead of programming computers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXZeq9eXAys
It has less to do with availability and more to do with charging TIME. Even the DC Fast Charging stations, what Tesla calls Supercharging stations, put out a MAXIMUM 60 Kw. That means even on the fastest setting, it will take nearly two hours to recharge the Tesla S, compared to 5 minutes for a gas powered car. Assuming you don't have to wait in line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXZeq9eXAys
It has less to do with availability and more to do with charging TIME. Even the DC Fast Charging stations, what Tesla calls Supercharging stations, put out a MAXIMUM 60 Kw. That means even on the fastest setting, it will take nearly two hours to recharge the Tesla S, compared to 5 minutes for a gas powered car. Assuming you don't have to wait in line.
08-01-2018, 07:49 AM
#256
Le Mans Master
Not sure where you are getting your information, but customers coming into my detail shop can charge from 20% to 100% in 20 minutes. I see 5-6 Teslas a week in my shop, and it is a question I ask each one. What is a real fact, everyone of them said the minor wait is worth it.
As far as whether it's worth it, I'm sure they're going to tell you that no matter what they think of the car privately. Let's take a trip from LA to Seattle and see what they think then.
08-01-2018, 01:40 PM
#257
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I still can't understand why people use screwdrivers to hammer nails. Long distance = airplane. If someone is limited financially to needing to use one tool for every job, then they're not the correct demographic for a Tesla.
I wouldn't pull a boat with my Corvette, or strap a canoe on the roof either. It's simply the wrong tool for the task.
I wouldn't pull a boat with my Corvette, or strap a canoe on the roof either. It's simply the wrong tool for the task.
08-01-2018, 01:59 PM
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08-01-2018, 02:19 PM
#259
Race Director
I still can't understand why people use screwdrivers to hammer nails. Long distance = airplane. If someone is limited financially to needing to use one tool for every job, then they're not the correct demographic for a Tesla.
I wouldn't pull a boat with my Corvette, or strap a canoe on the roof either. It's simply the wrong tool for the task.
I wouldn't pull a boat with my Corvette, or strap a canoe on the roof either. It's simply the wrong tool for the task.
08-01-2018, 02:20 PM
#260
Le Mans Master
I still can't understand why people use screwdrivers to hammer nails. Long distance = airplane. If someone is limited financially to needing to use one tool for every job, then they're not the correct demographic for a Tesla.
I wouldn't pull a boat with my Corvette, or strap a canoe on the roof either. It's simply the wrong tool for the task.
I wouldn't pull a boat with my Corvette, or strap a canoe on the roof either. It's simply the wrong tool for the task.