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Even the Camaro SS 1LE fairly easy beats the M3 & M4 BMWs. Prior Mustang GT and BOSS also would take them at the track. I at my local PCA DE went H2H with the previous M3 V8 model VS my '11 Mustang GT 5.0, my car was able to keep with the BMW, we were really driving hard, the M3 could not left me behind.
If one tracks the car the Corvette is the better choice. However for a daily driver the M3 sedan is the more practical choice. It's plenty fast for the street and much easier to deal with if you have kids.
Even the Camaro SS 1LE fairly easy beats the M3 & M4 BMWs. Prior Mustang GT and BOSS also would take them at the track. I at my local PCA DE went H2H with the previous M3 V8 model VS my '11 Mustang GT 5.0, my car was able to keep with the BMW, we were really driving hard, the M3 could not left me behind.
Yeah, but it's a Mustang or a Camaro and I'm not in high school any more. I don't care how fast it is at the track, I'm not taking my girlfriend out to dinner in a ******* Camaro or meeting clients in a Mustang.
You're also missing the point. I could build a track car that would take all these cars for 1/4 the price. Regardless of how fast they are, the BMW is a pleasure to drive on the track and the street.
Why does every car you own have to be some sort of 4 second super car?
I own a Corvette and few other normal cars, including a Ford Fiesta. I own a fast motorcycle, and a couple other regular motorcycles. If I had three fast cars, I would want to race myself.
We've had many BMWs, they're wonderful cars. And it's interesting to hear from the people that have experienced the F80. To me, none of the previous gen M cars have had the level of focus of my M7 GS. The GS is simply more "purpose built" for performance. Which makes sense because the C7 doesn't have to deal with rear passengers or provide a conventional trunk. It doesn't have to carry the extra weight to provide safety/comfort to 4 passengers and can offer a extremely low center of gravity that would be impractical for a passenger sedan. Unlike the M3, the GS is a pure sports car.
I'm fortunate that I can pick and choose when/where to drive my GS. It's easy to appreciate the car when I don't have to daily it.
I really enjoy the looks of the German cars. But comparing a BMW M3 to a Corvette is not "apples to apples". BMW, Audi, and Mercedes make a fantastic 4 passenger fast car. I just don't think I could ever afford the repair bill on one if it was out of warranty. One of the main reasons I stay with American cars.
I really enjoy the looks of the German cars. But comparing a BMW M3 to a Corvette is not "apples to apples". BMW, Audi, and Mercedes make a fantastic 4 passenger fast car. I just don't think I could ever afford the repair bill on one if it was out of warranty. One of the main reasons I stay with American cars.
Best thing about BMW is they subsidize their leases. You can get in to a new one every 3 years and always have a warranty. The cost is actually less than a Corvette if you factor in our depreciation. THIS is comparing to buying new. The used market is far different obviously.
I really enjoy the looks of the German cars. But comparing a BMW M3 to a Corvette is not "apples to apples". BMW, Audi, and Mercedes make a fantastic 4 passenger fast car. I just don't think I could ever afford the repair bill on one if it was out of warranty. One of the main reasons I stay with American cars.
Hmmm, if you can afford to buy any of these in warranty you should be able to afford a repair. They all cost a lot of money if new or just a year or two old. Tbe best deal is probably a certified pre owned 3 year old off lease... full certified warranty, save quite a bit on the initial cost.
Best thing about BMW is they subsidize their leases. You can get in to a new one every 3 years and always have a warranty. The cost is actually less than a Corvette if you factor in our depreciation. THIS is comparing to buying new. The used market is far different obviously.
huh?
an M4 is $1000/mo with $5k down + tax (which in Texas is about $5k).
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BMWs are great driving cars. I've owned a few. But the rub on the current-generation M3/4 is that, despite really good numbers, it leaves people sort of cold and isn't that fun to drive. Another issue is that, to improve performance, they removed the rear subframe bushings, so the amount of road noise in the car is borderline nauseating. IMO these are the two reasons you see so many of them for sale after the owners have had them for only a year or so. Unlike past M3s, they really aren't great daily drivers.
Hey guys, I'm not really a street racer, or any type of racer for that matter...LOL! But the other day while cruising in my 2017 GS (all stock, no mods) on a deserted stretch of asphalt a kid in a BMW M3 kept badgering me to run him. I usually ignore these people, but I was curious. I let him punch it first, then I floored my A8 and held on! In a few seconds his lead was gone and the GS was pulling away easily. We get to the next light and the kid says, "OMG that things an animal, is that a Z06?" Told him no, Grandsport, if I was in my Z06 it would have been even more embarrassing (I do have a Z also). I then told him he should have bought American. He acknowledged and said, "That things gorgeous! I'm getting one of those." I think I converted him...LOL! Why does Car & Driver make such a big deal over the M series? Because I'm not seeing it, and it sounded like **** too. It was definitely a new model, not an older one. And from what I understand, it's not a cheap car to buy and the service charges are outrageous. My stepdaughter has a regular 3 series and all it does is break down.
You said it was definitely a "new model" M3 not a older one.
The only new model M3 BMW makes is a 4 door sedan so.... is that what he was driving?
BMWs are great driving cars. I've owned a few. But the rub on the current-generation M3/4 is that, despite really good numbers, it leaves people sort of cold and isn't that fun to drive. Another issue is that, to improve performance, they removed the rear subframe bushings, so the amount of road noise in the car is borderline nauseating. IMO these are the two reasons you see so many of them for sale after the owners have had them for only a year or so. Unlike past M3s, they really aren't great daily drivers.
I have to say.... the main reason guys are getting rid of them ( newest F8X era m3/m4 ) is because alot of these guys have come from previous generations M cars that have hydraulic steering and N/A V8. The new M3 M4 have electronic steering and the exhaust sounds like CRAP!!! did i mention they sound horrible??!!!! There is virtually no exhaust system out there than can help make the inline 6 turbo motor sound better.
ALSO i would venture to say our corvettes are just as loud interior road noise wise as the M4, ive driven a couple m4's before i got into my corvette.
BMWs are great driving cars. I've owned a few. But the rub on the current-generation M3/4 is that, despite really good numbers, it leaves people sort of cold and isn't that fun to drive. Another issue is that, to improve performance, they removed the rear subframe bushings, so the amount of road noise in the car is borderline nauseating. IMO these are the two reasons you see so many of them for sale after the owners have had them for only a year or so. Unlike past M3s, they really aren't great daily drivers.
I have to say.... the main reason guys are getting rid of them ( newest F8X era m3/m4 ) is because alot of these guys have come from previous generations M cars that have hydraulic steering and N/A V8. The new M3 M4 have electronic steering and the exhaust sounds like CRAP!!! did i mention they sound horrible??!!!! There is virtually no exhaust system out there than can help make the inline 6 turbo motor sound better. These two things combine and are making guys sell and go back to the previous gen E9X .
ALSO i would venture to say our corvettes are just as loud interior road noise wise as the M4, ive driven a couple m4's before i got into my corvette.
This one of my biggest gripes about my C7 is the interior road noise ... its a bit much at times.
I have to say.... the main reason guys are getting rid of them ( newest F8X era m3/m4 ) is because alot of these guys have come from previous generations M cars that have hydraulic steering and N/A V8. The new M3 M4 have electronic steering and the exhaust sounds like CRAP!!! did i mention they sound horrible??!!!! There is virtually no exhaust system out there than can help make the inline 6 turbo motor sound better.
ALSO i would venture to say our corvettes are just as loud interior road noise wise as the M4, ive driven a couple m4's before i got into my corvette.
That is a major complaint about that car. I'm not sure why. I had a 335i sport, which is a twin-turbo straight six, and it sounded great.
Yeah, but it's a Mustang or a Camaro and I'm not in high school any more. I don't care how fast it is at the track, I'm not taking my girlfriend out to dinner in a ******* Camaro or meeting clients in a Mustang.
You're also missing the point. I could build a track car that would take all these cars for 1/4 the price. Regardless of how fast they are, the BMW is a pleasure to drive on the track and the street.
Wow. I don't know what it is that you do, but that kind of attitude wouldn't earn my business.......
07-10-2018, 05:20 AM
