How many of ya'll are considering trading your C7 on the new mid engine Vette and why
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Even Ferry Porsche knew mid engine was the right place to put an engine but he was stuck with that rear engine "peoples car" he designed for Hitler before WWII when he built his first sports car! Funny we recently visited the US Porsche racing team in Rock Hill SC! They are preparing 911 "look alike" race cars with the engine and transaxle reversed to make a ME! Can only push that rear (or front) engine technology so far if you want to compete! Same with the Corvette race team!
Number 1 plug well forward of front axle due to Henry Ford design AND my setting the 502 cid Big bBock back for better weight transfer! ME with 53% of the weight on the rear wheels BUT not low polar moment of inertia!
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Paid a fraction of that when I "reserved my C7 in February of 2013" from a "real very large Vette dealer!" Price fixed months before it was announced! Also refundable!
The benefit to the Dealer was GM only supplied those initial cars to actual customer orders when they started to ship. When I picked mine up the first week in October 2013, dealer was frustrated they could not get one for their showroom! Mine was on display for a day but locked and they would not let anyone sit in it!
The benefit to the Dealer was GM only supplied those initial cars to actual customer orders when they started to ship. When I picked mine up the first week in October 2013, dealer was frustrated they could not get one for their showroom! Mine was on display for a day but locked and they would not let anyone sit in it!
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Then consider a C7 your last Vette! Tadge said that in a post and Tremic has already said they will supply a dual clutch transaxle for the C8 that does not have a third pedal!
At least it's has efficient standard trans spur gears but the two separate clutches are operated by computer. Essential two transmissions with the next gear already engaged when it's clutch is engaged. That is all you can get in a Ferrari and may other high performance cars. At least better than a GM less efficient slush box!
I'm getting my mind used to it as have been driving only a standard shift for my DD for ~60 years. That was a three speed on the floor, progressed to a 4 speed and have had four 7 speeds! First was a Dodge Colt turbo with a twin stick overdrive and my 1st Vette, an '88, that came with a Dough Nash 4 speed and electrically operated overdrive activated by a button on top of the shift ****. Could activate in 2nd, 3rd and 4th with 7 unique and split gear ratios! Not nearly as easy to use as my 2014 C7 or Grand Sport!
At least it's has efficient standard trans spur gears but the two separate clutches are operated by computer. Essential two transmissions with the next gear already engaged when it's clutch is engaged. That is all you can get in a Ferrari and may other high performance cars. At least better than a GM less efficient slush box!
I'm getting my mind used to it as have been driving only a standard shift for my DD for ~60 years. That was a three speed on the floor, progressed to a 4 speed and have had four 7 speeds! First was a Dodge Colt turbo with a twin stick overdrive and my 1st Vette, an '88, that came with a Dough Nash 4 speed and electrically operated overdrive activated by a button on top of the shift ****. Could activate in 2nd, 3rd and 4th with 7 unique and split gear ratios! Not nearly as easy to use as my 2014 C7 or Grand Sport!
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Yep I mentioned the Fiero as well. That was to counter the issue that a miid engine car MUST be expensive. Just say'n GM may surprise us when the base model C8 is introduced. IMO they must build it for a lot of reasons like future corporate mpg requirements if they are going to continue to sell Vettes! Not going to do that with a front engine car, IMO. The Corvette race team will love it as well! Even Zora knew that was the right way to build a race car! He'll be smiling!
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If there's no convertible and no manual transmission, it won't get any consideration from me. I'm not one of the many here who just have to own a Corvette. I'm fine without, and my next purchase will be whatever make/model pleases me the most.
That's likely to be a Porsche, and if I'm forced to go DCT, I'd rather it be the PDK.
That's likely to be a Porsche, and if I'm forced to go DCT, I'd rather it be the PDK.
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Nope not trying to compare the new C8 (which I will buy) with my 1934 Street Rod! Just responding to the "C7 is a Mid Engine because the #1 plug is behind the axel!" My ProStreet Rod #1 plug is even further back because of engine set-back so could it to be considered a ME because of it's forward front axle! However the benefits of an engine truly placed closer to the car center is the lower "polar moment of inertia!" It's like rotating a 20 pound "bell weight" versus the same weight bar bell!
Yep I mentioned the Fiero as well. That was to counter the issue that a miid engine car MUST be expensive. Just say'n GM may surprise us when the base model C8 is introduced. IMO they must build it for a lot of reasons like future corporate mpg requirements if they are going to continue to sell Vettes! Not going to do that with a front engine car, IMO. The Corvette race team will love it as well! Even Zora knew that was the right way to build a race car! He'll be smiling!
Yep I mentioned the Fiero as well. That was to counter the issue that a miid engine car MUST be expensive. Just say'n GM may surprise us when the base model C8 is introduced. IMO they must build it for a lot of reasons like future corporate mpg requirements if they are going to continue to sell Vettes! Not going to do that with a front engine car, IMO. The Corvette race team will love it as well! Even Zora knew that was the right way to build a race car! He'll be smiling!
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"Four years ago, Chevrolet Corvette manual-transmission supplier Tremec aspired to achieve greater global reach. Instead of reinventing the helical gear to enter the thriving dual-clutch automatic transmission (DCT) business, this Mexico-based manufacturer simply shopped for a company that already possessed the expertise it needed. Tremec was drawn to Hoerbiger Drivetrain Mechatronics because of that Belgian firm’s proven relationships with Mercedes-AMG, Ferrari, and McLaren. A deal was cut and Tremec now owns Hoerbiger lock, stock, and gear hobber.The prodigy from these two parental units is Tremec’s TR-9007 family of dual-clutch automatics that can be assembled in rear-drive, all-wheel-drive, and transaxle configurations. Prototypes of the mid-engine 2019 Chevrolet Corvette in light camouflage captured by our photographers are evidence of the testing for drivability and durability of the Tremec transaxles slated for customer delivery in 2018.Tremec engineering documents show a 9000-rpm maximum input speed and a 664-lb-ft torque capacity, both of which should cover C8 Corvette needs quite nicely. The TR-9007’s die-cast aluminum housing contains seven forward gears, three of which are overdrive ratios, and a 5.6:1 ratio spread. Tremec describes the twin engagement devices as “virtually dry wet clutches.”DCTs use helical gears instead of a conventional automatic’s planetary gears. Because hydraulic and friction losses are generally lower than other automatics, DCTs can improve efficiency. There is no interruption of torque delivery during upshifts, so DCTs typically beat the stick-shift alternative in acceleration.Our suspicion is that General Motors will not follow our suggestion to Save the Manuals due to the cost and complexity of offering two transmissions. In other words, Tremec’s TR-9007 seven-speed DCT will be the one and only transmission available when the 2019 Corvette arrives in less than two years.Speculation BUT no sounds very logical to me. Assume there will be no 3rd pedal BUT from a mechanical standpoint it's a bit simpler!"
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Yep but with that engine up front it is not a low polar moment of inertia! Especially with those skinny tires corning will not come close to that achievable with a center engine car! Good looking Vette however!
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On my 64 all three are between the axles, where as on the C8 on two of the three are located between the two axles.
Oh, and If I wanted to chop up my original unhit 64, with it's original paint, I could flair the fenders and install tires the same width as a C7 ZR1.
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Every thing about the C8 is still top secret! Know an engineer who works for GM. Before the C7 was announced he (and others) were told they would be fired if it was found they leaked any info! I'm sure it's the same for the C8! Same with supplies but my statement comes from this:
"Four years ago, Chevrolet Corvette manual-transmission supplier Tremec aspired to achieve greater global reach. Instead of reinventing the helical gear to enter the thriving dual-clutch automatic transmission (DCT) business, this Mexico-based manufacturer simply shopped for a company that already possessed the expertise it needed. Tremec was drawn to Hoerbiger Drivetrain Mechatronics because of that Belgian firm’s proven relationships with Mercedes-AMG, Ferrari, and McLaren. A deal was cut and Tremec now owns Hoerbiger lock, stock, and gear hobber.The prodigy from these two parental units is Tremec’s TR-9007 family of dual-clutch automatics that can be assembled in rear-drive, all-wheel-drive, and transaxle configurations. Prototypes of the mid-engine 2019 Chevrolet Corvette in light camouflage captured by our photographers are evidence of the testing for drivability and durability of the Tremec transaxles slated for customer delivery in 2018.Tremec engineering documents show a 9000-rpm maximum input speed and a 664-lb-ft torque capacity, both of which should cover C8 Corvette needs quite nicely. The TR-9007’s die-cast aluminum housing contains seven forward gears, three of which are overdrive ratios, and a 5.6:1 ratio spread. Tremec describes the twin engagement devices as “virtually dry wet clutches.”DCTs use helical gears instead of a conventional automatic’s planetary gears. Because hydraulic and friction losses are generally lower than other automatics, DCTs can improve efficiency. There is no interruption of torque delivery during upshifts, so DCTs typically beat the stick-shift alternative in acceleration.Our suspicion is that General Motors will not follow our suggestion to Save the Manuals due to the cost and complexity of offering two transmissions. In other words, Tremec’s TR-9007 seven-speed DCT will be the one and only transmission available when the 2019 Corvette arrives in less than two years.Speculation BUT no sounds very logical to me. Assume there will be no 3rd pedal BUT from a mechanical standpoint it's a bit simpler!"
"Four years ago, Chevrolet Corvette manual-transmission supplier Tremec aspired to achieve greater global reach. Instead of reinventing the helical gear to enter the thriving dual-clutch automatic transmission (DCT) business, this Mexico-based manufacturer simply shopped for a company that already possessed the expertise it needed. Tremec was drawn to Hoerbiger Drivetrain Mechatronics because of that Belgian firm’s proven relationships with Mercedes-AMG, Ferrari, and McLaren. A deal was cut and Tremec now owns Hoerbiger lock, stock, and gear hobber.The prodigy from these two parental units is Tremec’s TR-9007 family of dual-clutch automatics that can be assembled in rear-drive, all-wheel-drive, and transaxle configurations. Prototypes of the mid-engine 2019 Chevrolet Corvette in light camouflage captured by our photographers are evidence of the testing for drivability and durability of the Tremec transaxles slated for customer delivery in 2018.Tremec engineering documents show a 9000-rpm maximum input speed and a 664-lb-ft torque capacity, both of which should cover C8 Corvette needs quite nicely. The TR-9007’s die-cast aluminum housing contains seven forward gears, three of which are overdrive ratios, and a 5.6:1 ratio spread. Tremec describes the twin engagement devices as “virtually dry wet clutches.”DCTs use helical gears instead of a conventional automatic’s planetary gears. Because hydraulic and friction losses are generally lower than other automatics, DCTs can improve efficiency. There is no interruption of torque delivery during upshifts, so DCTs typically beat the stick-shift alternative in acceleration.Our suspicion is that General Motors will not follow our suggestion to Save the Manuals due to the cost and complexity of offering two transmissions. In other words, Tremec’s TR-9007 seven-speed DCT will be the one and only transmission available when the 2019 Corvette arrives in less than two years.Speculation BUT no sounds very logical to me. Assume there will be no 3rd pedal BUT from a mechanical standpoint it's a bit simpler!"
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They did have about 100 IVERS that were all over before production started. Saw ~10 at Laguna Seca Vintage Races in August 2013. Lots of GM execs and a chassis on display as well. Folks were paying over MSRP for several months after the first delivery. I did not!
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No like all other ‘“nfo” on the C8 it’s from a mag.
As I understand from the GM engineer IF Tremic were to officially say that, GM would get quotes from ZF! That is what was in my ‘93. They supply Ferrari, Porsche etc.
As some folks around here would say “Corvette Tax,” better Mexico than Germany or that would be “GermanTax!”
As I understand from the GM engineer IF Tremic were to officially say that, GM would get quotes from ZF! That is what was in my ‘93. They supply Ferrari, Porsche etc.
As some folks around here would say “Corvette Tax,” better Mexico than Germany or that would be “GermanTax!”
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Yep they made ~100 preproduction prototypes, they called IVERS, that once the C7 was shown at the Detroit Auto Show in ~January 2013 as I recall were brought to various races and car events. Recall at an Amelia Island Car show they were charging to see it!.
Yep they made ~100 preproduction prototypes, they called IVERS, that once the C7 was shown at the Detroit Auto Show in ~January 2013 as I recall were brought to various races and car events. Recall at an Amelia Island Car show they were charging to see it!.
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To answer the OP: Consider yes - if - the difference in driving and feel was as dramatic from the C6 to C7.
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As I’ve explained to the wife dozens of times, dying penniless is the sign of a perfect budget. I’m working hard to accomplish this goal, so I’ll buy one outright with no trade in.
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If a mid engine Vette can gives me the looks (488), sound (Huracan) and performance (720s) of a 250k supercar for 100k less, I will definitely buy one. I will wait for the right time but if a mid engine Vette can give me these 3 things, I will definitely buy one when the budget allows.
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If there's no convertible and no manual transmission, it won't get any consideration from me. I'm not one of the many here who just have to own a Corvette. I'm fine without, and my next purchase will be whatever make/model pleases me the most.
That's likely to be a Porsche, and if I'm forced to go DCT, I'd rather it be the PDK.
That's likely to be a Porsche, and if I'm forced to go DCT, I'd rather it be the PDK.
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