Sad to see at Carlisle
08-26-2018, 02:22 PM
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Sad to see at Carlisle
I was excited as always to go to Corvettes at Carlisle this year. The event was great as usual and the weather was great! Lots of beautiful cars, everything corvette that you could ask for! So what is wrong you ask? I was all set to get a Borla X pipe put on my new Z06 while at the show as I have read so many positive things about this mod. Plus they usually have show specials and do the install for right there for you! What's not to like?!!
I run up to purchase the pipe only to be told that they can't install and headers or x pipes at the show because it eliminates the cats!!!!!!! Apparently the EPA came down hard on vendors sometime last year. I was told arrests were made and fines handed out. (Can only repeat what I was told) One thing is for sure is that it was uniform across the board as I went to Corsa, Billy Boat and Magna Flow and all said the same thing. I could not even buy the pipe and have it shipped by Borla while at the show! The guys were nice but could not accommodate me at the show. I know I can order the pipe and do it myself which is exactly what I will do but it would have been nice to drive home listening to that sweet V8 growl a little louder!
I could not believe the frickin EPA is at car shows shutting this down! I hardly think that a couple of hundred ( guestimate on my part) people getting their cars modded at show might make the world come to an end and melt the ice caps! Another example of an intrusive government agency that ought to be doing something better with their time and our money than crashing the party. I have to wonder what is going to happen to our sport. Not to mention that vendors might quit going to shows as it becomes costly when they can't sell their products. In the end, I am just venting and not looking to start a debate on global warming on the forum, so thanks for the opportunity. I am hoping this is an isolated incident. Has anyone else seen this at other car shows?
Other than that, Corvettes at Carlisle is must do for those of you that have never been. Great people, vendors, and eye candy for any car guy. I just feel bad for the vendors and the show promoters.
I run up to purchase the pipe only to be told that they can't install and headers or x pipes at the show because it eliminates the cats!!!!!!! Apparently the EPA came down hard on vendors sometime last year. I was told arrests were made and fines handed out. (Can only repeat what I was told) One thing is for sure is that it was uniform across the board as I went to Corsa, Billy Boat and Magna Flow and all said the same thing. I could not even buy the pipe and have it shipped by Borla while at the show! The guys were nice but could not accommodate me at the show. I know I can order the pipe and do it myself which is exactly what I will do but it would have been nice to drive home listening to that sweet V8 growl a little louder!
I could not believe the frickin EPA is at car shows shutting this down! I hardly think that a couple of hundred ( guestimate on my part) people getting their cars modded at show might make the world come to an end and melt the ice caps! Another example of an intrusive government agency that ought to be doing something better with their time and our money than crashing the party. I have to wonder what is going to happen to our sport. Not to mention that vendors might quit going to shows as it becomes costly when they can't sell their products. In the end, I am just venting and not looking to start a debate on global warming on the forum, so thanks for the opportunity. I am hoping this is an isolated incident. Has anyone else seen this at other car shows?
Other than that, Corvettes at Carlisle is must do for those of you that have never been. Great people, vendors, and eye candy for any car guy. I just feel bad for the vendors and the show promoters.
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08-26-2018, 02:59 PM
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Why do you believe you deserve an exception to the rule? Should the law say, "Every car sold in the US must have catalytic converters to reduce pollution, except for auto enthusiasts who want to remove them so their cars are louder and sound cool."?
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08-26-2018, 02:59 PM
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Why do you believe you deserve an exception to the rule? Should the law say, "Every car sold in the US must have catalytic converters to reduce pollution, except for auto enthusiasts who want to remove them so their cars are louder and sound cool."?
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08-26-2018, 03:30 PM
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The EPA is an intrusive government agency because they want clean air for all? This is why countries governments came down hard on VW when they tried to scam the world by messing with the emissions of diesels to fool test centers.
All I saw at these Corvette shows were people trying to figure out how to get their old exhaust system in their Corvettes after having one put on at a show. A lot longer then you would think.
All I saw at these Corvette shows were people trying to figure out how to get their old exhaust system in their Corvettes after having one put on at a show. A lot longer then you would think.
08-26-2018, 04:31 PM
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Why are you surprised? It has always been against the law for a legit business to willingly pull cats off of a street car. It says off-road only on the pipes when you unbox them. That being said? I'm surprised the crack down is just know taking effect at shows and such.
Put them on at home. ; )
Put them on at home. ; )
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08-26-2018, 04:41 PM
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08-26-2018, 04:42 PM
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Not trying to rain on your parade but this has been a long time in coming. I’m old enough to remember the time when the first thing you did when you got your car was to change out the stock exhaust for headers. But even I’ve come around to the idea that you can’t yank the cats. Just the way it is. For what it’s worth clean air (allergies, bronchitis plus a touch of asthma) is a good thing.
08-26-2018, 05:26 PM
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Really not a bad thing.
08-26-2018, 05:35 PM
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Nice to hear some rational people here that understand the regulations to improve air quality are for the benefit of everyone instead of what you hear from the nuts that hang out on the P&R page. They'd like to see a Corvette that burned "clean coal" if there were such a thing.
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08-26-2018, 05:56 PM
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If the manufacture can't legally install it, because it violates EPA laws, I'm not sure how they can sell it.
I guess if it were installed only on a track car, it would pass muster, but not a street machine.
I'm hardly a left wing 'whacko' but there are some laws created for the EPA to use, that are good. Just ask the bald eagle.
I guess if it were installed only on a track car, it would pass muster, but not a street machine.
I'm hardly a left wing 'whacko' but there are some laws created for the EPA to use, that are good. Just ask the bald eagle.
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08-26-2018, 06:16 PM
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If the manufacture can't legally install it, because it violates EPA laws, I'm not sure how they can sell it.
I guess if it were installed only on a track car, it would pass muster, but not a street machine.
I'm hardly a left wing 'whacko' but there are some laws created for the EPA to use, that are good. Just ask the bald eagle.
I guess if it were installed only on a track car, it would pass muster, but not a street machine.
I'm hardly a left wing 'whacko' but there are some laws created for the EPA to use, that are good. Just ask the bald eagle.
08-26-2018, 06:25 PM
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Clean air stuff is coming down hard in all industries. Harley got hammered for their aftermarket exhaust practices. I bought a motorcycle recently and to get the "off road" pipe, they require you sign a paper, the dealer has to disable the lights on the bike, (you can plug them back in) and the flash for the ecu is recorded. They do not want to get the EPA up their ***. Its good for everyone, we dont need to screw up our environment more than it already is.
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08-26-2018, 06:54 PM
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I was excited as always to go to Corvettes at Carlisle this year. The event was great as usual and the weather was great! Lots of beautiful cars, everything corvette that you could ask for! So what is wrong you ask? I was all set to get a Borla X pipe put on my new Z06 while at the show as I have read so many positive things about this mod. Plus they usually have show specials and do the install for right there for you! What's not to like?!!
I run up to purchase the pipe only to be told that they can't install and headers or x pipes at the show because it eliminates the cats!!!!!!! Apparently the EPA came down hard on vendors sometime last year. I was told arrests were made and fines handed out. (Can only repeat what I was told) One thing is for sure is that it was uniform across the board as I went to Corsa, Billy Boat and Magna Flow and all said the same thing. I could not even buy the pipe and have it shipped by Borla while at the show! The guys were nice but could not accommodate me at the show. I know I can order the pipe and do it myself which is exactly what I will do but it would have been nice to drive home listening to that sweet V8 growl a little louder!
I could not believe the frickin EPA is at car shows shutting this down! I hardly think that a couple of hundred ( guestimate on my part) people getting their cars modded at show might make the world come to an end and melt the ice caps! Another example of an intrusive government agency that ought to be doing something better with their time and our money than crashing the party. I have to wonder what is going to happen to our sport. Not to mention that vendors might quit going to shows as it becomes costly when they can't sell their products. In the end, I am just venting and not looking to start a debate on global warming on the forum, so thanks for the opportunity. I am hoping this is an isolated incident. Has anyone else seen this at other car shows?
Other than that, Corvettes at Carlisle is must do for those of you that have never been. Great people, vendors, and eye candy for any car guy. I just feel bad for the vendors and the show promoters.
I run up to purchase the pipe only to be told that they can't install and headers or x pipes at the show because it eliminates the cats!!!!!!! Apparently the EPA came down hard on vendors sometime last year. I was told arrests were made and fines handed out. (Can only repeat what I was told) One thing is for sure is that it was uniform across the board as I went to Corsa, Billy Boat and Magna Flow and all said the same thing. I could not even buy the pipe and have it shipped by Borla while at the show! The guys were nice but could not accommodate me at the show. I know I can order the pipe and do it myself which is exactly what I will do but it would have been nice to drive home listening to that sweet V8 growl a little louder!
I could not believe the frickin EPA is at car shows shutting this down! I hardly think that a couple of hundred ( guestimate on my part) people getting their cars modded at show might make the world come to an end and melt the ice caps! Another example of an intrusive government agency that ought to be doing something better with their time and our money than crashing the party. I have to wonder what is going to happen to our sport. Not to mention that vendors might quit going to shows as it becomes costly when they can't sell their products. In the end, I am just venting and not looking to start a debate on global warming on the forum, so thanks for the opportunity. I am hoping this is an isolated incident. Has anyone else seen this at other car shows?
Other than that, Corvettes at Carlisle is must do for those of you that have never been. Great people, vendors, and eye candy for any car guy. I just feel bad for the vendors and the show promoters.
08-26-2018, 07:37 PM
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If you think the EPA and other government agencies are tough on aftermarket exhaust parts for Corvettes, you should see what they do to the trucking industry with regard to diesel engines, ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel and the like.
The equipment on today's cars enables them to run cleaner, perform better AND be reliable for a long, long time without significant repairs. What has been mandated by Uncle Sham for diesel engines is ten times worse. I am not going to get into it here because it is not the appropriate forum - but suffice it to say that these mandates will end up costing everyone more money over the long term....for negligible results at best.
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08-26-2018, 07:53 PM
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I was excited as always to go to Corvettes at Carlisle this year. The event was great as usual and the weather was great! Lots of beautiful cars, everything corvette that you could ask for! So what is wrong you ask? I was all set to get a Borla X pipe put on my new Z06 while at the show as I have read so many positive things about this mod. Plus they usually have show specials and do the install for right there for you! What's not to like?!!
I run up to purchase the pipe only to be told that they can't install and headers or x pipes at the show because it eliminates the cats!!!!!!! Apparently the EPA came down hard on vendors sometime last year. I was told arrests were made and fines handed out. (Can only repeat what I was told) One thing is for sure is that it was uniform across the board as I went to Corsa, Billy Boat and Magna Flow and all said the same thing. I could not even buy the pipe and have it shipped by Borla while at the show! The guys were nice but could not accommodate me at the show. I know I can order the pipe and do it myself which is exactly what I will do but it would have been nice to drive home listening to that sweet V8 growl a little louder!
I could not believe the frickin EPA is at car shows shutting this down! I hardly think that a couple of hundred ( guestimate on my part) people getting their cars modded at show might make the world come to an end and melt the ice caps! Another example of an intrusive government agency that ought to be doing something better with their time and our money than crashing the party. I have to wonder what is going to happen to our sport. Not to mention that vendors might quit going to shows as it becomes costly when they can't sell their products. In the end, I am just venting and not looking to start a debate on global warming on the forum, so thanks for the opportunity. I am hoping this is an isolated incident. Has anyone else seen this at other car shows?
Other than that, Corvettes at Carlisle is must do for those of you that have never been. Great people, vendors, and eye candy for any car guy. I just feel bad for the vendors and the show promoters.
I run up to purchase the pipe only to be told that they can't install and headers or x pipes at the show because it eliminates the cats!!!!!!! Apparently the EPA came down hard on vendors sometime last year. I was told arrests were made and fines handed out. (Can only repeat what I was told) One thing is for sure is that it was uniform across the board as I went to Corsa, Billy Boat and Magna Flow and all said the same thing. I could not even buy the pipe and have it shipped by Borla while at the show! The guys were nice but could not accommodate me at the show. I know I can order the pipe and do it myself which is exactly what I will do but it would have been nice to drive home listening to that sweet V8 growl a little louder!
I could not believe the frickin EPA is at car shows shutting this down! I hardly think that a couple of hundred ( guestimate on my part) people getting their cars modded at show might make the world come to an end and melt the ice caps! Another example of an intrusive government agency that ought to be doing something better with their time and our money than crashing the party. I have to wonder what is going to happen to our sport. Not to mention that vendors might quit going to shows as it becomes costly when they can't sell their products. In the end, I am just venting and not looking to start a debate on global warming on the forum, so thanks for the opportunity. I am hoping this is an isolated incident. Has anyone else seen this at other car shows?
Other than that, Corvettes at Carlisle is must do for those of you that have never been. Great people, vendors, and eye candy for any car guy. I just feel bad for the vendors and the show promoters.
08-26-2018, 07:56 PM
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Not trying to rain on your parade but this has been a long time in coming. I’m old enough to remember the time when the first thing you did when you got your car was to change out the stock exhaust for headers. But even I’ve come around to the idea that you can’t yank the cats. Just the way it is. For what it’s worth clean air (allergies, bronchitis plus a touch of asthma) is a good thing.
Been a “Hot Rodder” since early teens. Have gained a lot from the sport. However do appreciate it’s time to live with what the manufacturers find necessary to meet the air pollution laws for my DD.The PCV system is a PIA but would not want to go back to the Road Draft Tube I had on anumber of cars including the small block V8 in my ‘56 Chevy!
Happen to be visiting in Claremount CA where daughter went to college over 35 years ago (and two granddaughters as well) and has never moved from the area. Recall when visiting in her college could not see the mountains or the snow on Mount Baldy! Now it is very visible every time I visit. Auto pollution control has worked.
Pic of flathead I had in my ‘41 Coupe(before stuffing in an Olds engine,) a ‘50 Ford flathead like this one and even the small blockmV8 in my ‘56 Chevy. Dumped the crackcase stuff in the air!
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08-26-2018, 07:58 PM
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If you think the EPA and other government agencies are tough on aftermarket exhaust parts for Corvettes, you should see what they do to the trucking industry with regard to diesel engines, ultra-low-sulfur diesel fuel and the like.
The equipment on today's cars enables them to run cleaner, perform better AND be reliable for a long, long time without significant repairs. What has been mandated by Uncle Sham for diesel engines is ten times worse. I am not going to get into it here because it is not the appropriate forum - but suffice it to say that these mandates will end up costing everyone more money over the long term....for negligible results at best.
The equipment on today's cars enables them to run cleaner, perform better AND be reliable for a long, long time without significant repairs. What has been mandated by Uncle Sham for diesel engines is ten times worse. I am not going to get into it here because it is not the appropriate forum - but suffice it to say that these mandates will end up costing everyone more money over the long term....for negligible results at best.
08-26-2018, 08:05 PM
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Been a “Hot Rodder” since early teens. Have gained a lot from the sport. However do appreciate it’s time to live with what the manufacturers find necessary to meet the air pollution laws for my DD.The PCV system is a PIA but would not want to go back to the Road draft tube I had on a
number of cars including the small block V8 in my ‘56 Chevy!
Pic of flathead I had in my ‘41 Coupe, ‘50 Ford flathead like this one and even the small black V8 in my ‘56 Chevy. Dumped the crackcase stuff in the air!
Do the center two cylinders feed into the one teeny center exhaust port ? Does one cylinder have two spark plugs ?
What the hell is wrong with whoever designed that thing.
Why do I see four spark plugs and three exhaust ports.
This looks like a blunder even by Ford standards.
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08-26-2018, 08:34 PM
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Melting Slicks
Happen to be visiting in Claremount CA where daughter went to college over 35 years ago (and two granddaughters as well) and has never moved from the area. Recall when visiting in her college could not see the mountains or the snow on Mount Baldy! Now it is very visible every time I visit. Auto pollution control has worked.
Pic of flathead I had in my ‘41 Coupe(before stuffing in an Olds engine,) a ‘50 Ford flathead like this one and even the small blockmV8 in my ‘56 Chevy. Dumped the crackcase stuff in the air!