C7 to be the last manual Corvette?
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See my bold in your reply. Do you really think anyone is going to cross shop $300,000 exotics to a Corvette, now matter how good it is or how it's built? The cars that get cross shopped to the Corvettes are BMW M3/4s, Hellcats, Shelby GT350s, & ZL1 Camaros. Anything else is an outlier. Oh, and all of those cars I just mentioned are still available with manuals.
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While I enjoy 3 pedals, man PDK is really awesome, especially on the track.
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See my bold in your reply. Do you really think anyone is going to cross shop $300,000 exotics to a Corvette, now matter how good it is or how it's built? The cars that get cross shopped to the Corvettes are BMW M3/4s, Hellcats, Shelby GT350s, & ZL1 Camaros. Anything else is an outlier. Oh, and all of those cars I just mentioned are still available with manuals.
#65
To who? If nobody knows how to shift in the future who will want it except for a collector. The market for a manual will be very small. Wayne Carini of Chasing Classic Cars supports a manual driving class for kids and young adults. I watched one of his shows on it. He even said it was to keep a market for collector cars with manual transmissions.
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I don't know why you guys pine for a manual trans. The only reasons manual trans existed in the first place is because of the natural progression of technology. Manual transmissions were the state of the art when cars were first being sold over a 100 years ago. The automatic trans came out in the late 30s, 40s. So the technology transition began from manual to auto. A lot of us mature guys over 60 grew up with manuals because we lived through the transition. There were a lot of cars still around with manuals. A lot of us hot rodded these cars when we were young so we grew an attachment to the manual trans. I get where some don't want to give up that feeling and the manual brings you back in the time of our youth and you get to be more engaged with the car. For me, I don't miss the manual. I love the auto. Especially the A8 in the Vette. With manual mode you can paddle shift. This is just evolution of technology. In the case of transmissions the trend is toward making the driver driving experience more comfortable and relaxing as well as providing more driving options like the A8 provides (M w/paddle shift or D mode). I am all for it. I live in the Los Angeles area and having a manual is hell on the freeways. The new conventional 10 spd autos and DCTs are the new state of the art. They provide better shifting, gas mileage and safety. Our kids have never driven a manual for the majority of us. You know what that means. I have to agree with Tadge, the manuals days are numbered.
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...and don't equate a manual tranny with roll-up windows or a floor-mounted dimmer switch, as was the suggestion in an earlier reply. I had a 2015 A8 and after two years something was missing and I traded it for a 2017 GS M7. Of course having to change the TC in the A8 didn't help my attitude, but for the present and future this garage will house manual cars only, unless I decide to go electric at some point in time.
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Deja vu all over again? I remember when we used to argue auto over manual way back in high school. That was the 60s. It always ended the same way it does here.
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Back in the 70's we argued that crank windows were better because you could roll up the windows if the crappy battery died. But secretly we all wished we could afford a car with power windows and locks.
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I just hope that if it's auto only, that the C8 has the ability to change gears with the gear selector in addition to the paddle shifters. Paddle shifters are worthless in an autocross. You're turning the steering wheel so much you can't find them. Or make them fixed to the column instead of the wheel. My .02 cents, I have a 72 LT-1, it only came with a 4-speed.
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I just hope that if it's auto only, that the C8 has the ability to change gears with the gear selector in addition to the paddle shifters. Paddle shifters are worthless in an autocross. You're turning the steering wheel so much you can't find them. Or make them fixed to the column instead of the wheel. My .02 cents, I have a 72 LT-1, it only came with a 4-speed.
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I can confidently say I would never buy a Corvette or any sports car without a manual tranny. An auto is an absolute dealbreaker. For me, a key factor in owning a fun car is the engagement in the driving experience you get from shifting. There simply is no substitute and I couldn't care less if an auto is fractionally faster; that clutch pedal and shifter is FUN.
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I don't know why you guys pine for a manual trans. The only reasons manual trans existed in the first place is because of the natural progression of technology. Manual transmissions were the state of the art when cars were first being sold over a 100 years ago. The automatic trans came out in the late 30s, 40s. So the technology transition began from manual to auto.
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I would agree with this, I have a M7 but if I had to drive auto I would rather manually shift with the gear selector lever although there will probably be times where paddle shifting would be easier. Are there any cars that shift manually with both paddles and the lever?
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#76
Thanks for the history lesson. I'm guessing everyone here is aware of every point you made. It's not exactly new or unknown information. The one sentence you stated, however, is telling. "I don't know why you guys pine for a manual trans." The answer to that is, if you don't understand, than you don't get it. And if you don't get it, there's nothing anyone else can do or say to get you to understand. and it's not worth trying. Why did you waste money on a Corvette? There are people who don't get that either. They don't understand why you can't be satisfied with a Honda Civic. Why do you want to spend tree or four ties as much money for a Corvette that holds only two people? How utterly absurd!
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I can confidently say I would never buy a Corvette or any sports car without a manual tranny. An auto is an absolute dealbreaker. For me, a key factor in owning a fun car is the engagement in the driving experience you get from shifting. There simply is no substitute and I couldn't care less if an auto is fractionally faster; that clutch pedal and shifter is FUN.
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Good we're glad you won't miss a manual trans, carbs, or points/distributor. Whew! That was easy.
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#80
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I won't really know how much or if I'll miss the stick until I own an auto C8 for a while, and then it's too late. Oh well. Tech marches on. Somehow I don't think anybody's going to sell their mid-engine C8 for this reason, that would be the automotive equivalent of throwing Jennifer Anniston out of bed for eating crackers.
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