No C8 for me - Can't warm up to mid-engine
09-21-2018, 01:10 PM
#42
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09-21-2018, 02:35 PM
#43
Drifting
There is no validity to saw the Z06 is too much of a handful. We’ve got 18000 miles on ours with a lot of driving on narrow 2 lane roads. Have jumped on it hard today pass many times and never had it get out of hand. We have an A8 so it shifts down to the gear it wants but still doesn’t get sideways. M7 should be even les problem as you always have control of your gear selection.
I’d say buy one, they are a blast.
I’d say buy one, they are a blast.
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Drive-C7 (09-21-2018)
09-21-2018, 03:36 PM
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There is no validity to saw the Z06 is too much of a handful. We’ve got 18000 miles on ours with a lot of driving on narrow 2 lane roads. Have jumped on it hard today pass many times and never had it get out of hand. We have an A8 so it shifts down to the gear it wants but still doesn’t get sideways. M7 should be even les problem as you always have control of your gear selection.
I’d say buy one, they are a blast.
I’d say buy one, they are a blast.
1. If you have a coupe have they worked out the noise the hatches have made over years looking at threads on the subject?
2. I have seen threads on over- heating even on street driving. They fixed that- correct?
3. Can you get all-season tires yet? Last I knew you could not. I have a separate set rims for all-seasons for my Z51 that I use in the winter when I drive on clean winter roads. I do not put my car up in the winter. I drive it year around.
4. Have you had any recalls regarding the car that are significant?
5. Are you using a catch can?
Thanks for any feedback.
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09-21-2018, 06:19 PM
#45
Drifting
On the first I don’t know of any hatch noises. Targa top yes. I’ve not had a problem with it but this week the dealer installed updated latches voluntarily while replacing a stress cracked windshield.
On two I’ve had no overheating problem. Runs 190-196 on the highway. May jump to 208 coming into town off the highway but works back down to 198 or so. Know some of our club guys have Z06’s and they run over 200 but don’t have overheating problems. I’ve run a few paced hot laps at the museum and no problem then either. Don’t know of any redesign.
All season son tires are available to order now. Check Tire Rack site.
Recalls, TSB’s etc. Had the differential replaced under warranty. Stress cracked windshield was a known issue issue and replaced no charge and I had the A8 transmission shudder that was fixed under warranty. These are on all C7’s not just Z06. Transmission problem should be already addressed in new cars since it involved a lighter weight fluid.
No catch can.
Also so have had a problem with my HVAC which they say is a design flaw and some cars have it and some don’t. No fix and again not just Z06 related. Have talked to head HVAC engineer and have figured how to live with it. Problem is basically that it blows hot air on my feet in auto mode, basically have to run in bilevel.
On two I’ve had no overheating problem. Runs 190-196 on the highway. May jump to 208 coming into town off the highway but works back down to 198 or so. Know some of our club guys have Z06’s and they run over 200 but don’t have overheating problems. I’ve run a few paced hot laps at the museum and no problem then either. Don’t know of any redesign.
All season son tires are available to order now. Check Tire Rack site.
Recalls, TSB’s etc. Had the differential replaced under warranty. Stress cracked windshield was a known issue issue and replaced no charge and I had the A8 transmission shudder that was fixed under warranty. These are on all C7’s not just Z06. Transmission problem should be already addressed in new cars since it involved a lighter weight fluid.
No catch can.
Also so have had a problem with my HVAC which they say is a design flaw and some cars have it and some don’t. No fix and again not just Z06 related. Have talked to head HVAC engineer and have figured how to live with it. Problem is basically that it blows hot air on my feet in auto mode, basically have to run in bilevel.
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Drive-C7 (09-21-2018)
09-21-2018, 06:28 PM
#46
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Looks like there might be a manual for the C8 after all
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2018...-transmission/
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2018...-transmission/
09-21-2018, 06:31 PM
#47
Burning Brakes
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09-21-2018, 09:46 PM
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Price will be the only thing standing in the way of me getting one. I love my '14 Z51 2LT but I also said that about my '03 vert right before I sold it to buy my '14.
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09-21-2018, 10:37 PM
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Burning Brakes
Yes, that is the conventional wisdom....however, when the C7 was first introduced I thought that GM would take extra pains to make sure the first ones off the line were exceptional and not works in progress....That proved correct. I ordered my 2014 Z51 M7 before the first one rolled off the line and my experience with it has been terrific! No issues except for the infotainment screen dying, which was a known problem and replaced under warranty...nothing else...runs flawlessly with 25k miles on the clock. This is the best car I've ever owned and I have no intentions of trading it in for a C8.
Or as they used to say out West - you can always tell who the pioneers were, they are the folks with all the arrow holes in their backs!
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Drive-C7 (09-22-2018)
09-21-2018, 11:17 PM
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I have a GS M7 and really like it. But I like ME cars a lot too. Because there is less weight over the front wheels, the steering feel can be great, as it was with my Boxster S. I think the new Vette will be incredible, and the current one is great too, but do what makes you happy.
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09-21-2018, 11:54 PM
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Melting Slicks
Looks like there might be a manual for the C8 after all
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2018...-transmission/
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2018...-transmission/
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09-22-2018, 08:58 AM
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Personally, I think ME cars are very cool. However I also think they are pretty impractical for anything other than a two person, no luggage driver. Yes, you can commute to work and have fun driving them, but lack of usable storage makes them impractical for most other things. Not a good grocery getter (or anything getter for that matter). You can justify owning a C7 as an only car as it does provide plenty of utility for a family of two adults no kids.
Big selling point of the C7 (and previous year Corvettes 82 going forward) and even an Audi TT series is the hatch-back like utility. Mid-engine "frunks" may be deep (a Cayman can carry a body in a stacked position), but have no length for things like golf clubs or more than a couple of grocery bags unless you pile them on one another.
C7 would have been the PERFECT Corvette of all time, bar none, if it were not for the A8 automatic. C7 IMO is the sleekest looking, most well appointed and assembled Corvette ever. I'd go so far as calling it "world class", especially at its price point. W/ a M7, the car is the best GM ever offered if one wants a manual transmission. Choosing the A8, is a crap shoot.
As far as performance (again IMO), most of the high performance cars today offer more performance than one can safely use during normal driving. Plenty of Youtube videos of guys testing the limits of their cars only to wind up in a ditch or into a tree or a crowd of people. Yes, track use, more is better. Most of us never see a track, so the C7, Z06 and ZR1 (and other hi-perf cars) are for all intents over-kill. Not to say I don't like it, if for no other reason than to read the spec's and see what my car is capable of (getting giddy at 0-60 in 3.7 or 11.XX 1/4 mile and comparing that to cars costing thousand$ more). Admittedly, that's what most of us do aside for "goosing" the throttle occasionally and be amazed at the power. With the traffic and LE presence, most of us just poke along w/ the Porsches, BMW M cars, Mercedes AMG's and the odd Ferrari or Lambo admiring each others cars w/ the occasional "thumbs up".
Again, just ruminating here.
Big selling point of the C7 (and previous year Corvettes 82 going forward) and even an Audi TT series is the hatch-back like utility. Mid-engine "frunks" may be deep (a Cayman can carry a body in a stacked position), but have no length for things like golf clubs or more than a couple of grocery bags unless you pile them on one another.
C7 would have been the PERFECT Corvette of all time, bar none, if it were not for the A8 automatic. C7 IMO is the sleekest looking, most well appointed and assembled Corvette ever. I'd go so far as calling it "world class", especially at its price point. W/ a M7, the car is the best GM ever offered if one wants a manual transmission. Choosing the A8, is a crap shoot.
As far as performance (again IMO), most of the high performance cars today offer more performance than one can safely use during normal driving. Plenty of Youtube videos of guys testing the limits of their cars only to wind up in a ditch or into a tree or a crowd of people. Yes, track use, more is better. Most of us never see a track, so the C7, Z06 and ZR1 (and other hi-perf cars) are for all intents over-kill. Not to say I don't like it, if for no other reason than to read the spec's and see what my car is capable of (getting giddy at 0-60 in 3.7 or 11.XX 1/4 mile and comparing that to cars costing thousand$ more). Admittedly, that's what most of us do aside for "goosing" the throttle occasionally and be amazed at the power. With the traffic and LE presence, most of us just poke along w/ the Porsches, BMW M cars, Mercedes AMG's and the odd Ferrari or Lambo admiring each others cars w/ the occasional "thumbs up".
Again, just ruminating here.
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09-22-2018, 09:21 AM
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LOVE my C7. World class sports car (seriously world class) for a price I could afford that's a blast to drive with stunning looks and amazing practicality - I can fit my racing bicycle in the back when I take the wheels off (which takes about 15 seconds). I'm sure the C8 will be drool-worthy, but I doubt I could give up the usability of the C7. That's a good thing, I'm not that eager to blow more hard earned dough on a pricey sports car. Actually makes it easier.
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09-22-2018, 09:45 AM
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Depending on where OP lives now (not in the immediate area of Detroit which has awful-maintained roads), there really are roads and highways that allow a driver to use a base/Z51 Corvette or a Z06. I've just come across them, many of which are interstates with 70, 75 and 80 mph. And great twisty roads, too. But, whether it's a handful, and whether you can control the car---that's up to you and your skills. As said above by many, the base 460 hp car can be a handful if you have no idea what you're doing, or if you want to reach the car's limits in most urban and suburban areas---just not really possible except in small spurts and then quik backoff. BUT, there are enough safety controls, "nannies", that will almost always control the car for most of what a driver might do that is truly dumb. That goes for the Z as well.
And Mike Mercury---you didn't mention the other two affordable ME cars, the P-car Boxster (about same msrp as as Corvette-comparable years in the mid- late-90s) and the MR2 Toyota from the mid-80s to the late 90s.
And Mike Mercury---you didn't mention the other two affordable ME cars, the P-car Boxster (about same msrp as as Corvette-comparable years in the mid- late-90s) and the MR2 Toyota from the mid-80s to the late 90s.
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Drive-C7 (09-22-2018)
09-22-2018, 10:06 AM
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09-22-2018, 10:31 AM
#58
Melting Slicks
If if anyone at GM could do a proper ME engine, it’s Chevy for the corvette. I posted in another thread about this that you can’t really compare 1980’s Pontiac to 2018/2019 corvette based on the change and improvements in engine tech. Over 30 years.
I think GM realizes the consequences of Messing up the corvette at its most basic level, the engine. In fact, they they build great engines, o e or more of which will be in the ME. So, getting proven engine tech mounted Fro t of the rear axle is the real issue to address.
I think GM realizes the consequences of Messing up the corvette at its most basic level, the engine. In fact, they they build great engines, o e or more of which will be in the ME. So, getting proven engine tech mounted Fro t of the rear axle is the real issue to address.
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09-22-2018, 11:20 AM
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Race Director
I have never driven a Z06, but this post confirms what I have been speculating about after driving my 2017 Z51 for two years. The car is so off the hook fast that I find myself wondering how I would ever unwind a Z06 on the same roads; I'm not sure I could do it, or that I'd be so restricted in how hard I get on the car it might make it less fun to drive. One of the fun things about a sports car is wringing out, i.e. driving it as hard as you can on a given stretch of road. I can do that here and there with my Z51, but barely, the car is almost too fast for public roads. I just fear that ratcheting that up to the Z06 level WOULD make the car too fast. If that's even possible, but I think it is, because there are times I feel that way about my current Corvette.
Especially true if your turn off all the nannies, or even just traction control.
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09-22-2018, 11:32 AM
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Melting Slicks
Cant say much. Sorry, I know its some dude on the internet but consider my location relative to certain GM assets.
But, not sure if its a release feature, or if they are even really set on doing it or not.
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