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I think it's more accurate to say they are not selling in the same quantities they did during the first 3-4 years. Even now, they're outselling any other sports car in the US by a wide margin, and the closest performance competition by a 2 to 1 margin. That still makes it a profitable proposition.
I think it's more accurate to say they are not selling in the same quantities they did during the first 3-4 years. Even now, they're outselling any other sports car in the US by a wide margin, and the closest performance competition by a 2 to 1 margin. That still makes it a profitable proposition.
This is a little mis leading as there are cars on this list that are special orders and cars that cost twice what our "cheap" cars cost- and MOST average people simply cannot afford .
Well, it's outselling 3 cheaper (Miata, Subaru, Nissan 370Z) and 3 nearly equally priced cars (Alfa, Jag, Cayman/Boxster) by very wide margins. But what you say is irrelevant. The point is it is still a profitable endeavor at current sales levels.
I think its more significant to note that the cheaper Cayman/Boxster 718 Mid Engine's don't outsell the Rear Engined 911, and more importantly that the Mid Engined NSX (170) and R8 (927) are both among the worst sellers on the list. I get that they cost in the mid 150's or higher, but so do some iterations of the Porsche 911. Can we infer from these numbers that the market for mid-engined vehicles is way less than front (and rear), and if so, how would that affect C8 sales?
I think it's more accurate to say they are not selling in the same quantities they did during the first 3-4 years. Even now, they're outselling any other sports car in the US by a wide margin, and the closest performance competition by a 2 to 1 margin. That still makes it a profitable proposition.
This is a little mis leading as there are cars on this list that are special orders only and cars that cost twice what our cars cost- and MOST average people simply cannot afford.
No, it's not. The defining characteristics are (1) two-seater sports cars (2) sold in America (3) in 2018. That's it. "Affordability" is a subjective criterion. It's very likely any two people will disagree on what the dividing line between "affordable" and "not affordable" is, so everyone will have a different list. If you want a list by MSRP, you could do that. This is by units sold. Both are valid. Not too many years ago I would have put all these cars on the "not affordable" list. Now I don't. The definition changes
I think its more significant to note that the cheaper Cayman/Boxster 718 Mid Engine's don't outsell the Rear Engined 911, and more importantly that the Mid Engined NSX (170) and R8 (927) are both among the worst sellers on the list. I get that they cost in the mid 150's or higher, but so do some iterations of the Porsche 911. Can we infer from these numbers that the market for mid-engined vehicles is way less than front (and rear), and if so, how would that affect C8 sales?
I think we can infer from this that unless ME Corvette models are offered roughly in the same price ranges as the current C7, it will be in big trouble with the GM Board and a candidate for cancellation in a few years. A base C8 starting over $100K will probably reduce annual sales down to 911 levels at best. About 70% of C7 sales were below $80K, which includes GS, Z51, and base Stingray.
I don't think it's an engine location question per se, it's about performance, bang for the buck, and the fact that the market for 2-seat sports cars is relatively limited. They are primarily viewed as toys for people only with discretionary income to spend on an extra car.
No, it's not. The defining characteristics are (1) two-seater sports cars (2) sold in America (3) in 2018. That's it. "Affordability" is a subjective criterion. It's very likely any two people will disagree on what the dividing line between "affordable" and "not affordable" is, so everyone will have a different list. If you want a list by MSRP, you could do that. This is by units sold. Both are valid. Not too many years ago I would have put all these cars on the "not affordable" list. Now I don't. The definition changes
I think we can infer from this that unless ME Corvette models are offered roughly in the same price ranges as the current C7, it will be in big trouble. A base C8 starting over $100K will probably reduce annual sales down to 911 levels at best. About 70% of C7 sales were below $80K, which includes GS, Z51, and base Stingray.
I don't think it's an engine location question per se, it's about performance, bang for the buck, and the fact that the market for 2-seat sports cars is relatively limited. They are primarily viewed as toys for people only with discretionary income to spend on an extra car.
Can’t argue with this either.
Must have attended the Mike Furman School of calm, cool, and collectedness common sense.
No, it's not. The defining characteristics are (1) two-seater sports cars (2) sold in America (3) in 2018. That's it. "Affordability" is a subjective criterion. It's very likely any two people will disagree on what the dividing line between "affordable" and "not affordable" is, so everyone will have a different list. If you want a list by MSRP, you could do that. This is by units sold. Both are valid. Not too many years ago I would have put all these cars on the "not affordable" list. Now I don't. The definition changes
Humm, maybe.... Not really sure what that chart provides, seems not much as cars are not in same class...
The handful of folks who bought a Alfa Romeo got 'em. Good friend bought a Quattroporte years ago. Looked great sitting on the drive. The service drive.
Humm, maybe.... Not really sure what that chart provides, seems not much as cars are not in same class...
OK how do you explain 3 cheaper cars, and 3 equally priced cars on that list not selling nearly as well as the C7? The list is what the list is, which is simply sports car sales in the US in 2018.
The simple point is that contrary to the title of this thread, the Corvette in 2018 remained overwhelmingly dominant in US sports car sales and is still doing quite well.
OK how do you explain 3 cheaper cars, and 3 equally priced cars on that list not selling nearly as well as the C7? The list is what the list is, which is simply sports car sales in the US in 2018.
that's my point, thanks! The rest of them are for rich people and should not be on that list, not to mention they cost twice as much as our cheap cars.. PS Ill take either Ferrari!
You appear to be missing the forest by focusing upon the leaves of the trees. As I said, it's a simple list of 2018 best selling in the US sports cars, which Corvette dominates. That's a good place to be.
What you'd rather have, but can't afford is ridiculously irrelevant to a manufacturer's bottom line, which is all they really care about. It is incredibly significant that Corvette outsells its cheaper or equally-priced rivals by wide margins, and that represents half the list.
Humm, maybe.... Not really sure what that chart provides, seems not much as cars are not in same class...
The thread, as started, is about sales. The "class" we're talking about is sales of two seat sports cars sold in America. You obviously want to divide this list out differently based on your idea of "class" that has something to do with affordability. At least that's how I interpret what you said previously. But if we're talking about SALES (note title of thread) then Corvette is at the top of the list. And it is not the least expensive as you see Miata is on the list as well. You want some other criteria? OK. There's a chart buried in these forums somewhere that charts performance by cost. I don't remember which metrics they used: 1/4 mile, 0-60, or whatever, but they charted these performance characteristics against cost and Corvette came out far far ahead. Corvette wins again. I suppose you could construct a list that rated cars by affordability. So you put Bugatti or some other exotic at the top of this list and show how thus and many cars are "not affordable." But what would that tell you? And in terms of usefulness, how would that be useful? The basic idea here is that though "C7s are not selling, they are selling better than anything else." That's all we're trying to say here.
You appear to be missing the forest by focusing upon the leaves of the trees. As I said, it's a simple list of 2018 best selling in the US sports cars, which Corvette dominates. That's a good place to be.
What you'd rather have, but can't afford is ridiculously irrelevant to a manufacturer's bottom line, which is all they really care about. It is incredibly significant that Corvette outsells its cheaper or equally-priced rivals by wide margins, and that represents half the list.
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