Guess what I have in my Big Meat Hook Hands!!!
01-29-2019, 07:42 AM
#61
Since Chip came to my place to do the install in my heated barn, and that's where the pictures above were taken, I can answer the installation question, but we didn't talk price. I think that's TBD until manufacturing costs are determined. This was just a prototype.
I suppose one could remove the old mirror, but it's designed to be stuck on to the OEM mirror with adhesive tape. We used small wood dowels inserted all the way around the mirror housing to ensure it was centered exactly over the OEM mirror, which worked great. Obviously, it's a very simple and quick installation, and it is so thin, you cannot tell it was installed on top of the existing mirror.
I suppose one could remove the old mirror, but it's designed to be stuck on to the OEM mirror with adhesive tape. We used small wood dowels inserted all the way around the mirror housing to ensure it was centered exactly over the OEM mirror, which worked great. Obviously, it's a very simple and quick installation, and it is so thin, you cannot tell it was installed on top of the existing mirror.
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01-29-2019, 08:25 AM
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Since Chip came to my place to do the install in my heated barn, and that's where the pictures above were taken, I can answer the installation question, but we didn't talk price. I think that's TBD until manufacturing costs are determined. This was just a prototype.
I suppose one could remove the old mirror, but it's designed to be stuck on to the OEM mirror with adhesive tape. We used small wood dowels inserted all the way around the mirror housing to ensure it was centered exactly over the OEM mirror, which worked great. Obviously, it's a very simple and quick installation, and it is so thin, you cannot tell it was installed on top of the existing mirror.
I suppose one could remove the old mirror, but it's designed to be stuck on to the OEM mirror with adhesive tape. We used small wood dowels inserted all the way around the mirror housing to ensure it was centered exactly over the OEM mirror, which worked great. Obviously, it's a very simple and quick installation, and it is so thin, you cannot tell it was installed on top of the existing mirror.
01-29-2019, 09:05 AM
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Since Chip came to my place to do the install in my heated barn, and that's where the pictures above were taken, I can answer the installation question, but we didn't talk price. I think that's TBD until manufacturing costs are determined. This was just a prototype.
I suppose one could remove the old mirror, but it's designed to be stuck on to the OEM mirror with adhesive tape. We used small wood dowels inserted all the way around the mirror housing to ensure it was centered exactly over the OEM mirror, which worked great. Obviously, it's a very simple and quick installation, and it is so thin, you cannot tell it was installed on top of the existing mirror.
I suppose one could remove the old mirror, but it's designed to be stuck on to the OEM mirror with adhesive tape. We used small wood dowels inserted all the way around the mirror housing to ensure it was centered exactly over the OEM mirror, which worked great. Obviously, it's a very simple and quick installation, and it is so thin, you cannot tell it was installed on top of the existing mirror.
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Regards
Chip
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01-29-2019, 09:26 AM
#64
Le Mans Master
Certainly a better mouse trap. As this mirror is thin, I surmise that the heating feature will still work. The loss of dimming is a fair trade as most of the bright light is reflected from the rearview mirror and not the side mirrors.
While I never had an issue with blind spots in the Vette, better visibility is always a plus. Nice product
While I never had an issue with blind spots in the Vette, better visibility is always a plus. Nice product
01-29-2019, 09:29 AM
#65
Racer
FYI. $25 or less no problem, I am in. Approaching $50, maybe not. Realizing all the convex mirrors on the market are mass produced in China for next to nothing and this is not, I hope the price does not get out of hand.
01-29-2019, 11:28 AM
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None of those are made in China - what should be charge for all that?
Regards
Chip
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01-29-2019, 11:39 AM
#67
Racer
Chip, I don't understand what you are saying. I know the product you are going to market is not made in China and is not mass produced. I know the price will be higher than the dinky stick on mirrors currently on the market. I am saying that I will be more willing to purchase this the lower the price is under $50. There is a point to diminishing returns and a price over that has diminished my desire to buy one.
01-29-2019, 11:56 AM
#68
Racer
Since Chip came to my place to do the install in my heated barn, and that's where the pictures above were taken, I can answer the installation question, but we didn't talk price. I think that's TBD until manufacturing costs are determined. This was just a prototype.
I suppose one could remove the old mirror, but it's designed to be stuck on to the OEM mirror with adhesive tape. We used small wood dowels inserted all the way around the mirror housing to ensure it was centered exactly over the OEM mirror, which worked great. Obviously, it's a very simple and quick installation, and it is so thin, you cannot tell it was installed on top of the existing mirror.
I suppose one could remove the old mirror, but it's designed to be stuck on to the OEM mirror with adhesive tape. We used small wood dowels inserted all the way around the mirror housing to ensure it was centered exactly over the OEM mirror, which worked great. Obviously, it's a very simple and quick installation, and it is so thin, you cannot tell it was installed on top of the existing mirror.
01-29-2019, 11:57 AM
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Chip, I don't understand what you are saying. I know the product you are going to market is not made in China and is not mass produced. I know the price will be higher than the dinky stick on mirrors currently on the market. I am saying that I will be more willing to purchase this the lower the price is under $50. There is a point to diminishing returns and a price over that has diminished my desire to buy one.
There has already been a large sum of money spent just to get it to this point.
When we figure the final price - it has to include the cost of manufacturing plus the development cost (which is substantial)
We have a general idea what it will cost, but it is not finalized yet. I don't think there will be sticker shock, but I'm sure there
will be people who complain, because there always is, no matter what we price it at.
Regards
Chip
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01-29-2019, 12:01 PM
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Also it will be glass on both sides because it will have a special 3m tape on it
that makes the bond between glass and glass almost indestructible. the curvature
has also been taken into account, so the tape is different thicknesses to maintain full
contact
Regards
Chip
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01-29-2019, 12:08 PM
#71
Racer
What I am saying is that the cost to make a product (especially a new one) is not just limited to the manufacturing cost.
There has already been a large sum of money spent just to get it to this point.
When we figure the final price - it has to include the cost of manufacturing plus the development cost (which is substantial)
We have a general idea what it will cost, but it is not finalized yet. I don't think there will be sticker shock, but I'm sure there
will be people who complain, because there always is, no matter what we price it at.
Regards
Chip
There has already been a large sum of money spent just to get it to this point.
When we figure the final price - it has to include the cost of manufacturing plus the development cost (which is substantial)
We have a general idea what it will cost, but it is not finalized yet. I don't think there will be sticker shock, but I'm sure there
will be people who complain, because there always is, no matter what we price it at.
Regards
Chip
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01-29-2019, 12:11 PM
#72
Racer
What I am saying is that the cost to make a product (especially a new one) is not just limited to the manufacturing cost.
There has already been a large sum of money spent just to get it to this point.
When we figure the final price - it has to include the cost of manufacturing plus the development cost (which is substantial)
We have a general idea what it will cost, but it is not finalized yet. I don't think there will be sticker shock, but I'm sure there
will be people who complain, because there always is, no matter what we price it at.
Regards
Chip
There has already been a large sum of money spent just to get it to this point.
When we figure the final price - it has to include the cost of manufacturing plus the development cost (which is substantial)
We have a general idea what it will cost, but it is not finalized yet. I don't think there will be sticker shock, but I'm sure there
will be people who complain, because there always is, no matter what we price it at.
Regards
Chip
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01-29-2019, 12:22 PM
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Thanks and I understand completely. Price will also depend on the number of years you amortize the cost over. If you desire a payback in a year the price jumps accordingly. Wonder if the C8 might have a blind spot detector or difference size mirrors that could limit the market to C7's which could affect the decisions.
Don't want to get into to deep, but it happens all the time, once the development cost is accounted for (amortization period)
you see the product price come down as well, as all the upfront money is paid back and future production cost becomes the
driving cost of the product.
In other words the cost to bring it to market for the first time is higher than the cost will be to continue to produce it down the road
Smart development says "I need to recoup my initial investment over xxx years/months, but even that is a guess based on expected volume.
If I planned for 2 years and it BLOWS OUT, I may recoup in 1 year rather our initial goal of xxx years, or if it flops, it may substantially longer than
our goal of xxx
Regards
Chip
01-29-2019, 12:57 PM
#74
Instructor
I'd pay $200 installed. ...that last bit being the hurdle for me. I am not that great with little fiddly breakable parts. I have giant man hands.
01-29-2019, 01:03 PM
#75
Racer
01-29-2019, 01:24 PM
#76
Stick 2 wooden disposable chopsticks on each of the 4 sides (8 total) between OEM mirror and painted housing, and you'll have it made.
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01-29-2019, 03:10 PM
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01-29-2019, 04:40 PM
#78
Burning Brakes
Chip, thank you for your work/development of this product. Foosh, appreciate your involvement and feedback to date. Seems like the best of both...eliminating the blind spot and being able to see more of the side of the car when backing up. Another very interested C7 guy. Thanks again to you both!
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01-29-2019, 06:48 PM
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Chip, thank you for your work/development of this product. Foosh, appreciate your involvement and feedback to date. Seems like the best of both...eliminating the blind spot and being able to see more of the side of the car when backing up. Another very interested C7 guy. Thanks again to you both!
This started way way back in the C5 days
This has actually been a pet project of mine for the better part of a decade. I've started, stopped
and explored what I though was just about every option, including with others. Our primary efforts
were on a frame less version of what is commonly known as a traditional blind spot mirror. It really got stirred
up again over one of those Bar Closing Nights last year at Carlisle
Having said that, this is not my design and in my opinion, is way better than anything we had explored.
This is the result of a conversation I had with a very talented Corvette Enthusiast who wanted to take
a look at it with fresh eyes, and I could not be happier that he did. He did the design, engineering and
sourced the prototype.
I am thrilled to be able to bring this fantastic product to market and share with you what it looks like
to go from inception to finished product. Plus now I have one less thing to keep me up at night,
Just want to be clear that the credit for what I am sharing belongs to someone else.
Regards
Chip
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01-29-2019, 06:53 PM
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No worries, get a box of Popsicle's, eat 4 or 5 of them, keep the sticks and just slide them in on the
bottom edge and the side of the mirror (in the GAP) Just place the mirror on to check placement,
then remove the tape and slide into place.
(Look at the Title of the Thread - I got the big hands too
)Regards
Chip