Adding more power?
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Heel & Toe
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Adding more power?
I am looking to add more power to my stingray without loosing the warranty , any suggestions ?
already have the NPP exhaust , K&N air filter , aero dynamic package and just ordered ARH mid length headers with CATS .
what else ?
already have the NPP exhaust , K&N air filter , aero dynamic package and just ordered ARH mid length headers with CATS .
what else ?
Dazed Confused & Verklemp
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,398
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From: Naples, FL & Clear Lake, IA
If you have major issues, GM is going to request all the data from your ECM. I asked Diablosport about Flash Counts and they could not give me a definitive answer if GM could read how many times the ECM had been flashed. All they told me is that the check sums looking at the tune, don't show their tune as having been there. The new ECM's show mileage data and more, so people who used to have 2 ECM's, one stock and one tuned can't do that anymore. In normal situations where an ECM update is required, removing the tune before a dealer flashes it, is all that is necessary, so you won't have any issues doing that no matter what.
I speak from experience with my Twin Turbo 3.5 2010 Ford Flex. Ford told me the ECM showed that it had been flashed nearly 100 times, the last being 12 miles ago, when I had a major issue. All this was true. Warranty claim was denied and it cost me $$$$$. But, it was almost worth it as I turned a 12.904 at 107 mph, along with several other high 12's! ( 213 cubic inches and 5,000 lbs) New Vette with less mods than you plan, has turned an 11.8 on run-flats. (377 c.i. and 3,400 lbs)
I speak from experience with my Twin Turbo 3.5 2010 Ford Flex. Ford told me the ECM showed that it had been flashed nearly 100 times, the last being 12 miles ago, when I had a major issue. All this was true. Warranty claim was denied and it cost me $$$$$. But, it was almost worth it as I turned a 12.904 at 107 mph, along with several other high 12's! ( 213 cubic inches and 5,000 lbs) New Vette with less mods than you plan, has turned an 11.8 on run-flats. (377 c.i. and 3,400 lbs)
Melting Slicks
Joined: Sep 2009
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From: Minnetrista Minnesota
If you have major issues, GM is going to request all the data from your ECM. I asked Diablosport about Flash Counts and they could not give me a definitive answer if GM could read how many times the ECM had been flashed. All they told me is that the check sums looking at the tune, don't show their tune as having been there. The new ECM's show mileage data and more, so people who used to have 2 ECM's, one stock and one tuned can't do that anymore. In normal situations where an ECM update is required, removing the tune before a dealer flashes it, is all that is necessary, so you won't have any issues doing that no matter what.
I speak from experience with my Twin Turbo 3.5 2010 Ford Flex. Ford told me the ECM showed that it had been flashed nearly 100 times, the last being 12 miles ago, when I had a major issue. All this was true. Warranty claim was denied and it cost me $$$$$. But, it was almost worth it as I turned a 12.904 at 107 mph, along with several other high 12's! ( 213 cubic inches and 5,000 lbs) New Vette with less mods than you plan, has turned an 11.8 on run-flats. (377 c.i. and 3,400 lbs)
I speak from experience with my Twin Turbo 3.5 2010 Ford Flex. Ford told me the ECM showed that it had been flashed nearly 100 times, the last being 12 miles ago, when I had a major issue. All this was true. Warranty claim was denied and it cost me $$$$$. But, it was almost worth it as I turned a 12.904 at 107 mph, along with several other high 12's! ( 213 cubic inches and 5,000 lbs) New Vette with less mods than you plan, has turned an 11.8 on run-flats. (377 c.i. and 3,400 lbs)
Dazed Confused & Verklemp
Joined: May 2008
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From: Naples, FL & Clear Lake, IA
Obviously, my experience has made me much more cautious. Not willing to spend $$$$ again. I'm not really worried about the engine, as long as I don't supercharge and tune to the point of needing methanol. However, the A8 still concerns me, since mine is currently at local dealer having Torque Converter replaced. Went in Mon at 9 AM. 3+ day job with entire rear needing to be removed including Torque tube. Not finished as of 7PM Friday.
I do have a Halltech CAI, Katech TB, Formato Indake Manifold and a Borla X-Pipe. Otherwise stock... Have also had CV joint fail.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Oct 2005
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From: Tampa Florida
Heard that too... At first Ford also allowed failures under Warranty, but at some point that stopped cold turkey. Hope that it's true, but I couldn't get a guarantee that GM couldn't see that ECM had been flashed more times than the information reported to GM regarding needed flashes.
Obviously, my experience has made me much more cautious. Not willing to spend $$$$ again. I'm not really worried about the engine, as long as I don't supercharge and tune to the point of needing methanol. However, the A8 still concerns me, since mine is currently at local dealer having Torque Converter replaced. Went in Mon at 9 AM. 3+ day job with entire rear needing to be removed including Torque tube. Not finished as of 7PM Friday.
I do have a Halltech CAI, Katech TB, Formato Indake Manifold and a Borla X-Pipe. Otherwise stock... Have also had CV joint fail.
Obviously, my experience has made me much more cautious. Not willing to spend $$$$ again. I'm not really worried about the engine, as long as I don't supercharge and tune to the point of needing methanol. However, the A8 still concerns me, since mine is currently at local dealer having Torque Converter replaced. Went in Mon at 9 AM. 3+ day job with entire rear needing to be removed including Torque tube. Not finished as of 7PM Friday.
I do have a Halltech CAI, Katech TB, Formato Indake Manifold and a Borla X-Pipe. Otherwise stock... Have also had CV joint fail.
Intermediate
Joined: Apr 2016
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Heard that too... At first Ford also allowed failures under Warranty, but at some point that stopped cold turkey. Hope that it's true, but I couldn't get a guarantee that GM couldn't see that ECM had been flashed more times than the information reported to GM regarding needed flashes.
Obviously, my experience has made me much more cautious. Not willing to spend $$$$ again. I'm not really worried about the engine, as long as I don't supercharge and tune to the point of needing methanol. However, the A8 still concerns me, since mine is currently at local dealer having Torque Converter replaced. Went in Mon at 9 AM. 3+ day job with entire rear needing to be removed including Torque tube. Not finished as of 7PM Friday.
I do have a Halltech CAI, Katech TB, Formato Indake Manifold and a Borla X-Pipe. Otherwise stock... Have also had CV joint fail.
Obviously, my experience has made me much more cautious. Not willing to spend $$$$ again. I'm not really worried about the engine, as long as I don't supercharge and tune to the point of needing methanol. However, the A8 still concerns me, since mine is currently at local dealer having Torque Converter replaced. Went in Mon at 9 AM. 3+ day job with entire rear needing to be removed including Torque tube. Not finished as of 7PM Friday.
I do have a Halltech CAI, Katech TB, Formato Indake Manifold and a Borla X-Pipe. Otherwise stock... Have also had CV joint fail.
Dazed Confused & Verklemp
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,398
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From: Naples, FL & Clear Lake, IA
I didn't see exactly what GM paid or labor hrs. ( was told they pay $92.hr vs retail at Hendrick Naples of $130.) They showed me dealer paid $500.+ for TC and GM reimbursed them $700.+. If the repair hr's allowed are 24, that would be approx... $2200. labor paid.
But.. if you paid for it at retail, it would be close to $4K.
They did inform me that my NPP delete switch using the add a circuit on #42 fuse (keeps the exhaust valves open...) has created a hard code in ECM. But that's another story....
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