'16 Z51 Arctic White track build
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First off, thanks for posting the results of your research.
I tried looking up those shock numbers. I can't find them anywhere, except where the seller offers the replacement/superceded part number. I believe they're all selling original equipment, rather than the T1 parts specified with those numbers.
Ask for 22873513 -> Receive 23202880
Ask for 22873509 -> Translates to 23171683 but discontinued
Can I ask, where did you get those shocks? Did you verify the part numbers matched? Did they look different at all?
Thanks!
-michael
I tried looking up those shock numbers. I can't find them anywhere, except where the seller offers the replacement/superceded part number. I believe they're all selling original equipment, rather than the T1 parts specified with those numbers.
Ask for 22873513 -> Receive 23202880
Ask for 22873509 -> Translates to 23171683 but discontinued
Can I ask, where did you get those shocks? Did you verify the part numbers matched? Did they look different at all?
Thanks!
-michael
From outside, they look identical. I'm guessing it's just the valving.
#182
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Today's track day was a serious stress test!
The forecast for weather was 92 degrees F max, but apparently the valley where the track is located reaches much higher temps. We checked with the digital thermometer that belongs to the track, and it was about 95 degrees F in the afternoon, and even more at the track. As you can imagine, this means I've had one of the hottest conditions we ever get to see in Pacific Northwest today.
Below is the video from the last session, where temps hit 98 degrees F by the end (indicated by the car and my truck):
My remarks on temps:[LIST][*]Coolant:
The forecast for weather was 92 degrees F max, but apparently the valley where the track is located reaches much higher temps. We checked with the digital thermometer that belongs to the track, and it was about 95 degrees F in the afternoon, and even more at the track. As you can imagine, this means I've had one of the hottest conditions we ever get to see in Pacific Northwest today.
Below is the video from the last session, where temps hit 98 degrees F by the end (indicated by the car and my truck):
My remarks on temps:[LIST][*]Coolant:
- Max coolant temp I hit during the whole session was 219 degrees F. This is very much acceptable, though I should note that we probably lose HP for every degree away from 190 degrees F or so.
- The coolant temps varied about 15 degrees during hot laps (i.e. the temps varied from 203-219 degrees F, depending on the part of the track).
- During the cool-down laps, it quickly went below 200 degrees F.
Do you have the P/N's readily accessible for the secondary radiator and any additional hardware?
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][*]Tires:[LIST][*]Despite very hot temps, the NT01 tires did not lose their traction as much as I thought they would.[*]I settled at 28-29 PSI (or so) cold, hitting 38 PSI or so at the track. The tires ran very hot, but I suppose there's no way out at those ambient temps.
][*]Tires:[LIST][*]Despite very hot temps, the NT01 tires did not lose their traction as much as I thought they would.[*]I settled at 28-29 PSI (or so) cold, hitting 38 PSI or so at the track. The tires ran very hot, but I suppose there's no way out at those ambient temps.
Odd that you don't like the GT seats, when I sold my Camaro which also had a harness bar I though for certain I'd need to get a harness in the Corvette, especially since mine has the GT seats. I'm finding that the seats hold me great once the bolster is adjusted. I'm also a large-ish guy, 6'2", 210. So I figured the seats wouldn't hold me as well as someone smaller in size.
QUESTION: I did switch to tour mode during my cool-down laps to check on actual temps, and switched back once the cool-down or my peeking at numbers was over. The competition mode is not available in tour mode. During this switch back-and-forth, did I lose competitive mode? In other words, do I need to re-enable competitive mode each time I switch back and forth on modes?
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Were you running 38 PSI hot front and back? I found (to my surprise) I had my best time with my NT01's at 40 front, 38 rear (HOT). We have very similar alignments as well.
Odd that you don't like the GT seats, when I sold my Camaro which also had a harness bar I though for certain I'd need to get a harness in the Corvette, especially since mine has the GT seats. I'm finding that the seats hold me great once the bolster is adjusted. I'm also a large-ish guy, 6'2", 210. So I figured the seats wouldn't hold me as well as someone smaller in size.
Competition mode is only available in in track mode, when you switch to any other mode I believe it turns it off. However if you start off in say sport or tour mode you cannot get into competition mode. I'm fairly certain you'll need to re-enable comp mode when you go back into track. Kind of annoying. Also what's annoying is you can customize your displays in different modes but if you want the sport DIC display in tour it applies the sport display in ALL modes which is annoying. So you either are forced to deal with Chevy's default display's in each mode or a single display in all modes. I wanted to make all my modes display the sport DIC display and then leave track the way it is from the factory, but nope not possible. So I fixed that by only driving in sport mode on the street, frankly I don't like the loose steering wheel feel in weather, eco or tour anyways.
I have an open track day at relatively milder temps next Tuesday at the Ridge. I am hoping to install the harness bar + seats by then. Once done, the only thing left will be the rear LCAs, and noone seems to know about them : ( The service manual's procedure for rear crossmember removal is very much horrifying; I'm hoping to get away with it much easier, but need to validate my theory with someone who's already done it.
Last edited by X25; 08-03-2016 at 07:36 PM.
#185
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Update:
As I've mentioned before, I only have seats, harness bar, and rear LCAs (punted to winter or off time) remaining to install. I finally started working on the seat conversion today:
Since I am also replacing the bottom with the suede-wrapped version, I pretty much had to strip the whole seat. It took me a while to do so, since I did not want to damage anything.
It took me 1-2 hours just to remove the string holding the bottom upholstery. I finally realized that the rail assembly and the magnesium chassis are touching each other (even though they're not meant to), making it impossible for the string to get loose. I used my forged toe link separator fork to push them a bit apart, and it did the trick! Of course, it took me a long time to figure this out.
Finished seat! Another issue was the new airbag packaging, since it works a bit differently. Anyway, I will be much faster when it comes to the driver side.
From back.
From the side of the car.
From the top.
I also attended the first autocross in my life. I got down to 60 seconds in my 3rd attempt. One of the instructor guys had a '14 C7 Z51 with RE71Rs, and he was consistently doing about 57 seconds. I think it was good for a first time effort, and considering I could drive it at the track for only 3 minutes during that whole autocross event! Speaking of which, I find it ridiculous to get to drive for only 3-4 minutes, while wasting half of my day. I am not sure if I would try it again : )
There is an upcoming track day on Aug 9th (TUE), where it will be open format, and only for advanced drivers at the Ridge. It will hopefully be much less crowded, and much more fun!
As I've mentioned before, I only have seats, harness bar, and rear LCAs (punted to winter or off time) remaining to install. I finally started working on the seat conversion today:
Since I am also replacing the bottom with the suede-wrapped version, I pretty much had to strip the whole seat. It took me a while to do so, since I did not want to damage anything.
It took me 1-2 hours just to remove the string holding the bottom upholstery. I finally realized that the rail assembly and the magnesium chassis are touching each other (even though they're not meant to), making it impossible for the string to get loose. I used my forged toe link separator fork to push them a bit apart, and it did the trick! Of course, it took me a long time to figure this out.
Finished seat! Another issue was the new airbag packaging, since it works a bit differently. Anyway, I will be much faster when it comes to the driver side.
From back.
From the side of the car.
From the top.
I also attended the first autocross in my life. I got down to 60 seconds in my 3rd attempt. One of the instructor guys had a '14 C7 Z51 with RE71Rs, and he was consistently doing about 57 seconds. I think it was good for a first time effort, and considering I could drive it at the track for only 3 minutes during that whole autocross event! Speaking of which, I find it ridiculous to get to drive for only 3-4 minutes, while wasting half of my day. I am not sure if I would try it again : )
There is an upcoming track day on Aug 9th (TUE), where it will be open format, and only for advanced drivers at the Ridge. It will hopefully be much less crowded, and much more fun!
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Car is finished!
Driver's side. It took me much less than the passenger side, now that I know how.
Installation of harness bar pretty much involves removing all the panels by the side of the trunk.
Finished!
Love the suede inserts and the more aggressive side bolsters.
I'm looking forward to seeing how mu the harness and new seats help. The next track day is on Tuesday Aug 9th.
Tires: I was going to try Trofeo R and RE71R next, but decided to keep using NT01s for the time being. Since I am still getting used to the car, using different tires would only add to the confusion when it comes to lap times anyway. I just placed an order for a new set as a backup.
Driver's side. It took me much less than the passenger side, now that I know how.
Installation of harness bar pretty much involves removing all the panels by the side of the trunk.
Finished!
Love the suede inserts and the more aggressive side bolsters.
I'm looking forward to seeing how mu the harness and new seats help. The next track day is on Tuesday Aug 9th.
Tires: I was going to try Trofeo R and RE71R next, but decided to keep using NT01s for the time being. Since I am still getting used to the car, using different tires would only add to the confusion when it comes to lap times anyway. I just placed an order for a new set as a backup.
Last edited by X25; 08-05-2016 at 07:41 AM.
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#187
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Nice! I'm building somewhat along the same lines. I wasn't going to do the bottoms, but am starting to change my mind. I am doing suede inserts. Do you have the part numbers for the seat bottom covers?
#188
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Part numbers:
23133448
22997067
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You need to remove the side panels again, and then unbolt 4 big allen bolts. The fit is very tight, so fitting it back might be a bit hard, too. I would honestly not bother; just remove your race harness, and they won't think much of it. After all, you could possibly be using it for cameras, too, or you're just a poser; how can they know? : )
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Those seats look awesome, I really want to do that at some point.
Nice! I've decided to sit out track events until it gets cooler, in the mean time I've been doing autocross events. Both last month and yesterday I've come in second to MSR (poster in this thread) he's a great driver. Like you I'm on the stock MPSS, I was able to ride with MSR on his last run yesterday and he's on the RE71R's. I've decided I'm going to those tires when my MPSS need to be replaced. I was surprised at the levels of grip in a couple areas of the track.
Meanwhile I have my numbers on my rear qtr windows, my license plate says "TRACK IT", I've got track out line decals on my rear window and my service manager knows I track the car He know's it is stock so I don't think he'd make a big stink about a warranty claim. At least not an AFM claim, been down that road once already. Actually I was at the dealership having my truck serviced last week and he was giving me a hard time because I told him I haven't been to the track lately because it is too hot!
I also attended the first autocross in my life. I got down to 60 seconds in my 3rd attempt. One of the instructor guys had a '14 C7 Z51 with RE71Rs, and he was consistently doing about 57 seconds. I think it was good for a first time effort, and considering I could drive it at the track for only 3 minutes during that whole autocross event! Speaking of which, I find it ridiculous to get to drive for only 3-4 minutes, while wasting half of my day. I am not sure if I would try it again : )
You need to remove the side panels again, and then unbolt 4 big allen bolts. The fit is very tight, so fitting it back might be a bit hard, too. I would honestly not bother; just remove your race harness, and they won't think much of it. After all, you could possibly be using it for cameras, too, or you're just a poser; how can they know? : )
Last edited by BaylorCorvette; 08-08-2016 at 10:03 AM.
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Also, I know you list the secondary radiator as P/N: 84037858. Do you need any other supplemental parts to install it or just buy that part number and you're good to go?
Last edited by BaylorCorvette; 08-08-2016 at 11:53 AM.
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Unless I can find an org where I can do more than 4 minutes of action, I think I'll pass on the autocross; it's just too short for the time invested. We'll see.
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That is the part number of the kit, and comes with everything you need. The only other thing you need would be new coolant : )
Unless I can find an org where I can do more than 4 minutes of action, I think I'll pass on the autocross; it's just too short for the time invested. We'll see.
Unless I can find an org where I can do more than 4 minutes of action, I think I'll pass on the autocross; it's just too short for the time invested. We'll see.
And yes I agree about the ROI on Autocross. We usually have over 100 people for our events in Houston which means work time is 1.5-2 hours and we get four runs at around 60 seconds. So four minutes of track time for ~2 hours of work (especially in the summer) SUCKS. However being that you're competing against other people is fun and really the only reason I'm still doing it. The way I figure is it keeps me sharp for the track in the off season and isn't too hard on wear items.
Last edited by BaylorCorvette; 08-08-2016 at 12:46 PM.
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I will be at The Ridge Motorsports Park tomorrow, and this time it won't be nearly as hot; the temps should stay at or below 70 degrees or so.
Finally replaced the clutch fluid in the reservoir for the first time. As expected, it was very dirty. I will keep replacing it often, until it becomes cleaner. I wish it was easy to install a remote bleeder to this car.
My bar mount was too small for the thick roll bar, so I came up with this monstrosity.
Thankfully, my aluminum GoPro mount extensions and roll bar mount arrived just in time today, so I replaced the ugly hack with a decent solution.
Here is a short test video. The vantage point seems to be much better, and it also records my phone screen from where I put it (it conveniently fits snug to the hidden compartment), so I will get to sync data to the milliseconds with ease:
Finally replaced the clutch fluid in the reservoir for the first time. As expected, it was very dirty. I will keep replacing it often, until it becomes cleaner. I wish it was easy to install a remote bleeder to this car.
My bar mount was too small for the thick roll bar, so I came up with this monstrosity.
Thankfully, my aluminum GoPro mount extensions and roll bar mount arrived just in time today, so I replaced the ugly hack with a decent solution.
Here is a short test video. The vantage point seems to be much better, and it also records my phone screen from where I put it (it conveniently fits snug to the hidden compartment), so I will get to sync data to the milliseconds with ease:
Last edited by X25; 08-09-2016 at 04:30 AM.
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Are you happy with the Amsoil Signature Series transmission fluid? I'm thinking I better change mine soon since last track event it reached 306*
Last edited by BaylorCorvette; 08-09-2016 at 10:02 AM.
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I didn't feel much of a difference in shifting, but my reason to change was better high temp protection and stability anyway, and this fluid is designed for it.
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I will be at The Ridge Motorsports Park tomorrow, and this time it won't be nearly as hot; the temps should stay at or below 70 degrees or so.
Finally replaced the clutch fluid in the reservoir for the first time. As expected, it was very dirty. I will keep replacing it often, until it becomes cleaner. I wish it was easy to install a remote bleeder to this car.
My bar mount was too small for the thick roll bar, so I came up with this monstrosity.
Thankfully, my aluminum GoPro mount extensions and roll bar mount arrived just in time today, so I replaced the ugly hack with a decent solution.
Here is a short test video. The vantage point seems to be much better, and it also records my phone screen from where I put it (it conveniently fits snug to the hidden compartment), so I will get to sync data to the milliseconds with ease:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRR-mU4aVuE
Finally replaced the clutch fluid in the reservoir for the first time. As expected, it was very dirty. I will keep replacing it often, until it becomes cleaner. I wish it was easy to install a remote bleeder to this car.
My bar mount was too small for the thick roll bar, so I came up with this monstrosity.
Thankfully, my aluminum GoPro mount extensions and roll bar mount arrived just in time today, so I replaced the ugly hack with a decent solution.
Here is a short test video. The vantage point seems to be much better, and it also records my phone screen from where I put it (it conveniently fits snug to the hidden compartment), so I will get to sync data to the milliseconds with ease:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRR-mU4aVuE
1) Is that the only way to change the clutch fluid? If so where did you get that tool you are using and how long does that tubing have to be to reach?
2) Where did you get that harness bar and how did it attach to your side walls?
Thanks!