Low factory diff fluid from factory '17 GS
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I wonder if it's since they don't run the car to fill the lines and the cooler core to check the level again? Still, you'd think factory would find a way to compensate for that. What I found was that the factory fill was highly pressurized. Perhaps the air in the lines added to the air pressure when the oil pump primed the lines.
Last edited by X25; 04-07-2017 at 10:42 PM.
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Welcome to the club. GM has been underfilling differentials since 2014. They come from the manufacturer already filled, and most dealers do not check it in the PDI.
My 2014, non-eLSD, was also almost a qt. low even without oil coolers.
I think it is just a ploy by GM to save the cost of a qt. of fluid on every car~
Also, the service manual says that 1/2" below the fill hole is still within the acceptable operating range.
My guess is that even if the oil cooler lines are filled when the car is running, some fluid still drains back to the differential when you stop the car to check the level, so you are never going to have all the lines filled and the level at the bottom of the hole.
I went ahead and changed my fluid and brought it up to the bottom of the hole.
My 2014, non-eLSD, was also almost a qt. low even without oil coolers.
I think it is just a ploy by GM to save the cost of a qt. of fluid on every car~
Also, the service manual says that 1/2" below the fill hole is still within the acceptable operating range.
My guess is that even if the oil cooler lines are filled when the car is running, some fluid still drains back to the differential when you stop the car to check the level, so you are never going to have all the lines filled and the level at the bottom of the hole.
I went ahead and changed my fluid and brought it up to the bottom of the hole.
Last edited by TEXHAWK0; 04-08-2017 at 10:24 AM.
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Just had my dealer check the diff fluid in my new (got it new just before the winter set in) 2016 Z06 when the 500 mile oil change was done. Level was fine.
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Yep. I saw a TSB on rocks getting stuck in caliper or hub or something. You can really hear it when inside a parking deck or enclosed area. I just usually do a HUGE burnout and it goes away Just kidding
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thats where I originally heard it, somehow over the exhaust lol, and it's bothered me ever since.
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Regarding differential fluid level, the manufacturer's fill level measurement is very precise. The assembly plant can access the records of the amount that goes into each unit. It is part of their track and trace data that is collected during the supplier manufacturing process. That said, they never look into the diff but simply assemble it into the chassis. Leakage is almost non existent, as it would spill on the external case, and they would find this in their audits.
Lastly, since the manufacturer fills to a mass, using a scale system, and not to a specific level, differences in castings, gear sets, etc., can cause a difference in the level, which they do not measure. There is no issue with the level being low, but if you crack it open, there is no way to fill as the manufacturer did due to the fact you cannot get all the fluid out before refilling. This is why the service procedure is to refill until the level is at the access hole…just like we did on every old school diff out there. In other words, you can think the diff is half a quart low because the level isn't at the access hole, but since you can't remove all of the diff fluid to see how much is really in the system, you can't truly ascertain if it is actually low.
Lastly, since the manufacturer fills to a mass, using a scale system, and not to a specific level, differences in castings, gear sets, etc., can cause a difference in the level, which they do not measure. There is no issue with the level being low, but if you crack it open, there is no way to fill as the manufacturer did due to the fact you cannot get all the fluid out before refilling. This is why the service procedure is to refill until the level is at the access hole…just like we did on every old school diff out there. In other words, you can think the diff is half a quart low because the level isn't at the access hole, but since you can't remove all of the diff fluid to see how much is really in the system, you can't truly ascertain if it is actually low.
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Please refer to post #16. Just because you can add fluid using the old standard of fill until it won't take any more fluid doesn't mean it is low.
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I think that the lubrication of the gears depends on the fluid level...not the mass of the fluid....they might fill it by mass at the factory, to save time/money (Filling it till it runs out of the hole makes a mess and wastes fluid), but apparently that doesn't allways ensure that the level is correct.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...sd-issues.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...sd-issues.html
Last edited by ersatz928; 05-15-2017 at 01:47 PM.
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Regarding differential fluid level, the manufacturer's fill level measurement is very precise. The assembly plant can access the records of the amount that goes into each unit. It is part of their track and trace data that is collected during the supplier manufacturing process. That said, they never look into the diff but simply assemble it into the chassis. Leakage is almost non existent, as it would spill on the external case, and they would find this in their audits.
Lastly, since the manufacturer fills to a mass, using a scale system, and not to a specific level, differences in castings, gear sets, etc., can cause a difference in the level, which they do not measure. There is no issue with the level being low, but if you crack it open, there is no way to fill as the manufacturer did due to the fact you cannot get all the fluid out before refilling. This is why the service procedure is to refill until the level is at the access hole…just like we did on every old school diff out there. In other words, you can think the diff is half a quart low because the level isn't at the access hole, but since you can't remove all of the diff fluid to see how much is really in the system, you can't truly ascertain if it is actually low.
Lastly, since the manufacturer fills to a mass, using a scale system, and not to a specific level, differences in castings, gear sets, etc., can cause a difference in the level, which they do not measure. There is no issue with the level being low, but if you crack it open, there is no way to fill as the manufacturer did due to the fact you cannot get all the fluid out before refilling. This is why the service procedure is to refill until the level is at the access hole…just like we did on every old school diff out there. In other words, you can think the diff is half a quart low because the level isn't at the access hole, but since you can't remove all of the diff fluid to see how much is really in the system, you can't truly ascertain if it is actually low.