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Old 01-08-2018, 05:22 PM
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Seems like most shops pull the engine to do a cam swap. Any particular reason? If you change lifters, will the heads come out with the short block in place?

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I do it in the car. Tuners remove the engine because the oil pan has to come off to remove the oil pump. Once the heads are off, get below and remove the mount bolts at the cross member, raise engine 2" and support at rear of pan using stand. Remove rear cradle bolts and replace with bolts 3-4" longer in the rear. Front cradle bolts (stock) can just be loosened much of the way. Once the cradle comes down, use a 4" 2x4 block and hockey puck under each engine mount and lower/remove the stand. You now have all the room in the world to remove the pan

I don't want to brag on how fast I can do heads/cam on a z, because I'm still getting 3k to do it

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some shops pull motor, Mine was done in place dropping cradle/ pan. heads come off in place.

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We do ours with motor in the car.

Feel free to give us a call if needing any info

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We do all ours in car
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To be clear, I don't remove the cradle, or a single ball joint, or need to bleed brakes. It's just lowered
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What gains can be expected from a cam swap alone?

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My car picked up 74hp ALONE from cam.

with headers and intake over 100.
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Originally Posted by JHEBERT
I do it in the car. Tuners remove the engine because the oil pan has to come off to remove the oil pump. Once the heads are off, get below and remove the mount bolts at the cross member, raise engine 2" and support at rear of pan using stand. Remove rear cradle bolts and replace with bolts 3-4" longer in the rear. Front cradle bolts (stock) can just be loosened much of the way. Once the cradle comes down, use a 4" 2x4 block and hockey puck under each engine mount and lower/remove the stand. You now have all the room in the world to remove the pan

I don't want to brag on how fast I can do heads/cam on a z, because I'm still getting 3k to do it

John
John, found this thread through a search. Thanks for the tip. Would you happen to know the size bolts that you used to lower the cradle? I’m just trying to get all of my stuff ready to do my heads and cam swap while minimizing trips to town for any parts or other doo dads that I may miss. Also, do you know if there are any issues with doing head studs in car?

Many thanks, Kemah
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Don’t know the thread pitch off hand, but you can use head studs by setting the head 1st and then screwing the studs in with an Allen bit. Sometimes you will have header flange/head stud interference so be aware of that if you use studs. I use the arp bolts and I’m happy with them. I’d also like to say that there is more room to do this on a dry sump car like z51/z06. The oil pan is bit bigger but it’s totally doable. Fireant did his a couple weeks ago this way, be sure to have the steering shaft uncoupled and rack unbolted from the cradle 1st. It’s gotta come loose to get the balancer off anyway.

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Originally Posted by JHEBERT
Don’t know the thread pitch off hand, but you can use head studs by setting the head 1st and then screwing the studs in with an Allen bit. Sometimes you will have header flange/head stud interference so be aware of that if you use studs. I use the arp bolts and I’m happy with them. I’d also like to say that there is more room to do this on a dry sump car like z51/z06. The oil pan is bit bigger but it’s totally doable. Fireant did his a couple weeks ago this way, be sure to have the steering shaft uncoupled and rack unbolted from the cradle 1st. It’s gotta come loose to get the balancer off anyway.

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I want to say F*ck that oil pan after what I went through, but it was better this way lol
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I want to say F*ck that oil pan after what I went through, but it was better this way lol

LOL. They are a pain for sure. We keep the engine in the car for a cam swap as well.
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How have cam upgrades taken to the auto trans? Is a torque converter needed?
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FYREANT, any chance for one of your awesome "How To" guides on this?
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Next one I do I’ll be sure to provide him with detailed pics, provided it’s not a stick with a stock clutch. At that point, you’ll want to pull the motor to do the clutch. Ant’s How-to threads are the best and no doubt help more people than he knows.

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Next one I do I’ll be sure to provide him with detailed pics, provided it’s not a stick with a stock clutch. At that point, you’ll want to pull the motor to do the clutch. Ant’s How-to threads are the best and no doubt help more people than he knows.

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I agree that those threads have helped a lot of people behind the scenes....I've learned a lot from those guides. I bet there are a lot of people like me who don't post much, but still use them as a valuable resource.
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FYREANT, any chance for one of your awesome "How To" guides on this?
Actually I did do a guide on doing heads and cam. I can link it here if you need it. Its not an “engine in the car cam install” guide, but most of the basics are all the same.

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Needing a converter is dependant on the size cam you run. Gearing comes next.
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Anyone happen to have pics of the pan being dropped in the car? Seems a lot easier than pulling the engine.


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