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My dealer did 3 oil changes on my 2016 C7 and used a PF64 12640445 filter all 3 times. I got a PF64 12640445 filter from Walmart last week for 6.18 and they had bunch of them.
Cultrag performance has by my VIN # lists the PF64 Oil Filter 12640445 as the correct filter for my car.
I was VERY uneasy about using the UPF64R filter. As others have said, nobody knows what damage, if any, the higher bypass pressure will create.
I found the CORRECT #12640445, and it is indeed MUCH beefier than the feeble, although presumably better-flowing replacement.
As the awesome photos in this thread show.
Can you imagine a little chunk of that cheapo black plastic mesh tearing loose and plugging up some oil port? No thanks.
Stock up now boys before these proper filters disappear.
No real AC Delco, nor GM dealer in Canada or USA can order the 445 filters anymore.
I bought enough of these to last until I sell the car in a few years. Waiting for the mid-engine beast to pull the trigger on a new C8.
Hopefully it will cost enough $$$$, so they can afford to give me a proper filter with it, instead of trying to save 25 Cents.
eBay. Yup! Someone had a bunch. And I did not have to scour Wal-Mart stores for them.
Just make sure to ask them exactly what you are getting.
Because as our friend above found out from Amazon, Amazon and eBay sellers (even dealers) have zero idea of what they are selling.
Nor do they care.
Had to ask a dozen before finding a smart one that could answer my question. The others were complete dopes.
"Hey Buddy, not all PF64 are a PF64 , you know what you're actually selling"?
The typical reply to that was "I dunno, duh, it says PF64 and it's original AC Delco. So it is gud"
OK, next.
Caveat emptor, people.
Last edited by yelocarbuff; 04-04-2019 at 09:24 PM.
I was VERY uneasy about using the UPF64R filter. As others have said, nobody knows what damage, if any, the higher bypass pressure will create.
I found the CORRECT #12640445, and it is indeed MUCH beefier than the feeble, although presumably better-flowing replacement.
As the awesome photos in this thread show.
Can you imagine a little chunk of that cheapo black plastic mesh tearing loose and plugging up some oil port? No thanks.
I bought enough of these to last until I sell the car in a few years. Waiting for the mid-engine beast to pull the trigger on a new C8.
eBay. Yup! Someone had a bunch. And I did not have to scour Wal-Mart stores for them.
Just make sure to ask them exactly what you are getting.
Because as our friend above found out from Amazon, Amazon and eBay sellers (even dealers) have zero idea of what they are selling.
Nor do they care.
Had to ask a dozen before finding a smart one that could answer my question. The others were complete dopes.
"Hey Buddy, not all PF64 are a PF64 , you know what you're actually selling"? "I dunno, duh, it says PF64 and it's original AC Delco. So it is gud" is what I would get in reply. OK, next.
Caveat emptor, people.
Under normal circumstances an oil filter will never bypass. If you leave it on there for 100,000 miles or red line it first thing when it is 0 outside, maybe.
But if YOU are the next buyer of my car, maybe not so "hilarious" for you.
Not trying to be harsh, but trying to explain to you why some people may care what filter they spin on.
Yet here I am after 5 years/43k miles on my C7
Luckily I keep very detailed maintenance records so if the eventual [potential] buyer of my car has problems with ACDelco or Mobil 1 oil filters then s/he is welcome to not purchase it. I'm more **** than most when it comes to oil and air filters (home, engine, & cabin) but sometimes it just reaches the point of absurdity.
Under normal circumstances an oil filter will never bypass. If you leave it on there for 100,000 miles or red line it first thing when it is 0 outside, maybe.
When the oil is cold the filter will go into bypass quite frequently actually, even at temperatures that aren't super cold (like 50 degrees)
Not sure what the Fram is, but the last time I used a Fram was in the 1970's-1980's and they were junk.
Would not use a Fram even if improved today, and even if it was free.
Why? Because I do not need to, as more dependable alternatives exist.
The Fram Ultra is actually one of the best filters on the market, period. It cannot be compared to Fram filters from the 70s and 80s and can't even be compared to the regular "orange can" Fram. The Ultra uses a fully synthetic, wire backed media, a silicone antidrainback valve and metal end caps. It's a very durable filter, I have yet to see one with torn media yet (a lot of people I know cut oil filters open at the end of their interval and a lot of other brands, including AC Delco, end up with the filtering media being torn which means it wasn't fully filtering your oil)
The problem right now is that the new Fram Ultra XG12060 with the 22psi bypass setting is very hard to find. Hopefully it won't be long before it is in Walmarts and parts stores everywhere though. Until then, a great alternative is the Wix/NAPA Gold. Stay away from the NAPA Platinum, despite it having a fully synthetic media, it does not have the same level of filtering efficiency as the NAPA Gold does (even though the Gold uses a blended media)
The NAPA Gold is equivalent to regular Wix (with the synthetic blended media) while the NAPA Platinum is equivalent to the Wix XP with the synthetic media. But as I've mentioned before, for some strange reason their fully synthetic media does not filter out as efficiently as their blended media! It goes against all reason, but if you email Wix for the efficiency numbers they will tell you that the XP's efficiency is only 99% at 35 microns (while the regular Wix/NAPA Gold) is efficient to 99% at 20 microns.
I'm using the NAPA Gold 100290 on my C7, but will switch to the Ultra XG12060 as soon as I can get my hands on one.
Patman, Good to know the WIX test results............. Not my intention to doubt your above statement but can you POST the WIX statement in this thread.
I can get a discount at NAPA thru one of my employers but havent checked yet.
Your thoughts on WIX pricing (on line) vs NAPA Gold Pricing ???
This is the email I got from them (from yesterday actually)
WIX XP Oil Filters provide robust engine protection when using synthetic motor oil for harsh driving conditions such as towing, extreme idle time, lower gear mountainous climbs, long periods at highway speeds. WIX XP filters are recommended for OEM oil and filter change intervals, typically 3,750 to 10,000 miles. This filter traps up to 100% more dirt and contaminants than WIX to resist premature plugging due to oil breakdown. Fully synthetic media withstands the harsh oil temperatures and conditions. A specifically formulated HNBR gasket provides an excellent seal during extreme cold engine starts and resist hardening under elevated oil temperatures. When applicable, WIX XP silicone anti drain-back valve protects against dry starts past the traditional filter change interval. Oil Filter Laboratory Test Performance per ISO 454812 32 grams dirt (51515XP), 99% efficient at 35 microns (Based on 51515XP 51356XP, 57060XP)
As far as pricing goes, I don't know what Wix's online pricing is like but I do know that a NAPA Gold is around $7 and change at NAPA stores.
The problem with that is the M1-113 is a UPF64R filter by all accounts. No Thanks!
Not sure what the Fram is, but the last time I used a Fram was in the 1970's-1980's and they were junk.
Would not use a Fram even if improved today, and even if it was free.
Why? Because I do not need to, as more dependable alternatives exist.
Look, I get it. Guys who are renting (leasing) their Vette for 3 years till the warranty runs out and then re-lease another Vette really do not need to have any vested interest in longevity of the car.
If that was me, I would not even change the oil before I traded-in in 3 years. Why bother, right? And even if I did, just to make the oil look pretty on the dipstick, I would not bother using synthetic. And I certainly would not change the filter, ever. Just drain the old oil out of it, and spin it back on. Why spend the extra money, when nobody can tell what is in there?
But if YOU are the next buyer of my car, maybe not so "hilarious" for you.
Not trying to be harsh, but trying to explain to you why some people may care what filter they spin on.
Good points. Just more reasons why I never buy used cars.
The problem with having the bypass pressure set too high is that when you drive it hard it might not bypass the filter enough and the oil flow could be restricted. On the flip side, if the pressure is set too low then it bypasses the media too often, which can be a big problem when the engine is cold and the oil is thicker. That's why I would feel very uneasy about using a filter that doesn't use a 22psi bypass setting.
If I recall correctly the engine oil pressure is at 60 or so psi at higher RPM so it will be plenty of pressure to force the filter into bypass if it's getting clogged. Hell as often as folks are religiously changing their oil, the filter will be far from ever clogging.
If I recall correctly the engine oil pressure is at 60 or so psi at higher RPM so it will be plenty of pressure to force the filter into bypass if it's getting clogged. Hell as often as folks are religiously changing their oil, the filter will be far from ever clogging.
First of all, the 22psi setting means the differential pressure across the oil filter, not the actual oil pressure of the engine. Second, the oil filter doesn’t need to be full of “stuff” in order to bypass. A brand new empty oil filter will go into bypass with cold thick oil. And it will go into bypass more often if you have a filter with a low bypass setting.
First of all, the 22psi setting means the differential pressure across the oil filter, not the actual oil pressure of the engine. Second, the oil filter doesn’t need to be full of “stuff” in order to bypass. A brand new empty oil filter will go into bypass with cold thick oil. And it will go into bypass more often if you have a filter with a low bypass setting.
Isn't the LT1/LT4 oil pump a variable (positive) displacement pump?
04-03-2019, 09:18 PM
