C7 Z06 - The most track-capable Corvette ever
12-05-2013, 10:13 AM
#21
Safety Car
. For other people it's the rear design that seems to be the biggest hit. This is not your grandfather's Corvette anymore 
12-05-2013, 10:26 AM
#22
Safety Car
I have high hopes for this car, but I'm going to hold my judgement until they released some hard numbers. Between them claiming the Z51 could beat a ZR1 around a circuit and being on the same level as the C6Z I'm not quite sure what to believe coming from them. Surely the Z51 has potential, but I haven't seen any eye popping times from it yet.
Most track capable could mean most track prepared Corvette ever, which actually wouldn't be too hard for them to accomplish as they've never built a true track Corvette. May still not be the fastest, but time will tell for sure.
Most track capable could mean most track prepared Corvette ever, which actually wouldn't be too hard for them to accomplish as they've never built a true track Corvette. May still not be the fastest, but time will tell for sure.
12-05-2013, 10:29 AM
#23
Le Mans Master
I agree, in a good way. I am glad they did the change. We want each new Corvette to be a radical departure and stir new excitement, "But don't change anything!"
12-05-2013, 10:43 AM
#25
Melting Slicks
I have high hopes for this car, but I'm going to hold my judgement until they released some hard numbers. Between them claiming the Z51 could beat a ZR1 around a circuit and being on the same level as the C6Z I'm not quite sure what to believe coming from them. Surely the Z51 has potential, but I haven't seen any eye popping times from it yet.
Most track capable could mean most track prepared Corvette ever, which actually wouldn't be too hard for them to accomplish as they've never built a true track Corvette. May still not be the fastest, but time will tell for sure.
Most track capable could mean most track prepared Corvette ever, which actually wouldn't be too hard for them to accomplish as they've never built a true track Corvette. May still not be the fastest, but time will tell for sure.
Here are some eye popping times for you:
From Edmunds.com:
In the end, [the 2013 911 Carrera S] is 1 second slower around the 1.6-mile Streets of Willows Springs road course.
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1:25.6
Corvette Stingray Coupe: 1:24.6 (with Z51)
The concensus from testers is the Z51 is just unreal at the road course.
That being the case, the new Z06 will have to be another order of magnitude better, so I suggest 6.2L supercharged and a DCT will make the new Z much quicker than the new Z51, or the C6Z06 or ZR1. A DCT can lower times significantly.
12-05-2013, 10:50 AM
#26
Burning Brakes
The new Z06 may be the best track capable Corvette ever, but will it sacrifice everyday usefulness to do so? I'm thinking the Corvette equivalent of the Z28 Camaro - should be a killer around the track, but on the street hold on to your fillings. The C6 Z06 was a difficult car to live with daily (my son had one and although he loved the power, etc. cursed the car as a DD), so hopefully the C7 Z06 has fixed the issues.
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12-05-2013, 11:10 AM
#27
Melting Slicks
The new Z06 may be the best track capable Corvette ever, but will it sacrifice everyday usefulness to do so? I'm thinking the Corvette equivalent of the Z28 Camaro - should be a killer around the track, but on the street hold on to your fillings. The C6 Z06 was a difficult car to live with daily (my son had one and although he loved the power, etc. cursed the car as a DD), so hopefully the C7 Z06 has fixed the issues.
and I do think Chevy should start selling customer full race cars like Porsche--I think they'd make a lot of money and further build the brand's cachet.
12-05-2013, 11:12 AM
#28
Safety Car
Here are some eye popping times for you:
From Edmunds.com:
In the end, [the 2013 911 Carrera S] is 1 second slower around the 1.6-mile Streets of Willows Springs road course.
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1:25.6
Corvette Stingray Coupe: 1:24.6 (with Z51)
The concensus from testers is the Z51 is just unreal at the road course.
That being the case, the new Z06 will have to be another order of magnitude better, so I suggest 6.2L supercharged and a DCT will make the new Z much quicker than the new Z51, or the C6Z06 or ZR1. A DCT can lower times significantly.
From Edmunds.com:
In the end, [the 2013 911 Carrera S] is 1 second slower around the 1.6-mile Streets of Willows Springs road course.
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1:25.6
Corvette Stingray Coupe: 1:24.6 (with Z51)
The concensus from testers is the Z51 is just unreal at the road course.
That being the case, the new Z06 will have to be another order of magnitude better, so I suggest 6.2L supercharged and a DCT will make the new Z much quicker than the new Z51, or the C6Z06 or ZR1. A DCT can lower times significantly.
12-05-2013, 11:22 AM
#29
The new Z06 may be the best track capable Corvette ever, but will it sacrifice everyday usefulness to do so? I'm thinking the Corvette equivalent of the Z28 Camaro - should be a killer around the track, but on the street hold on to your fillings. The C6 Z06 was a difficult car to live with daily (my son had one and although he loved the power, etc. cursed the car as a DD), so hopefully the C7 Z06 has fixed the issues.
12-05-2013, 11:26 AM
#30
Melting Slicks
I don't know what was difficult about living with the C6 Z as a daily driver: the clutch is light. Power delivery is smooth. Electric powered everything. I'm sure the C7 Z will have all these weight-adding amenities as well. What I am hoping for is a REAL track Z06 with delete options for everything that doesn't contribute to a faster lap time. Make it a separate option like the Z28.
the C6 Z06 is a very competent daily driver
12-05-2013, 12:00 PM
#31
12-05-2013, 12:02 PM
#32
Le Mans Master
The key to making the C6 Z06/ZR1's acceptable daily drivers as well as awesome track cars, is the magnetic suspension. I had an 08Z that rode like a lumber truck on all but mainly smooth roads. It's a great car otherwise giving a fabulous "one with the car feel and handling", but not fun when getting bounced around on pot hole strewn broken pavement highways. No doubt the C7 Z06 will have magnetic suspension as an option.
12-05-2013, 12:10 PM
#33
Safety Car
F12 regardless of what it did at Fiorano, is way slower than a lot of cars at Laguna with the same driver. Eye popping would be in the range of the new Viper. I'm not saying it's not a capable car, it clearly is, but listening to GM speak on it, you would think it's ZR1 fast, and it's clearly not that.
12-05-2013, 12:21 PM
#34
Melting Slicks
But that same C7 Laguna Seca time is also 4.5 sec behind the ZR1's with the same driver (Pobst). A very good time, more in line with a non Z07 Z06 type lap time. I am not sure of what to think about that F12 lap time, as it seems very slow for the car.
12-05-2013, 12:46 PM
#35
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Personally, I am okay with the new Z06 being a difficult daily driver. I think it should be a limited production, expensive (though still a good value next to its competition), take no prisoners, track monster. Folks who want DD should buy base or Z51 cars. Chevy should hit all markets. While maybe not as single purpose as a club racer, it should be close, like a GT3....
and I do think Chevy should start selling customer full race cars like Porsche--I think they'd make a lot of money and further build the brand's cachet.
and I do think Chevy should start selling customer full race cars like Porsche--I think they'd make a lot of money and further build the brand's cachet.
totally agree
Please GM give us a track toy like 911 GT3 RS... i.e. seats 15 pounds NOT 78 pounds,
rune
12-05-2013, 01:20 PM
#36
Melting Slicks
Originally Posted by quick04Z06 View Post
Here are some eye popping times for you:
From Edmunds.com:
In the end, [the 2013 911 Carrera S] is 1 second slower around the 1.6-mile Streets of Willows Springs road course.
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1:25.6
Corvette Stingray Coupe: 1:24.6 (with Z51)
The concensus from testers is the Z51 is just unreal at the road course.
That being the case, the new Z06 will have to be another order of magnitude better, so I suggest 6.2L supercharged and a DCT will make the new Z much quicker than the new Z51, or the C6Z06 or ZR1. A DCT can lower times significantly.
Here are some eye popping times for you:
From Edmunds.com:
In the end, [the 2013 911 Carrera S] is 1 second slower around the 1.6-mile Streets of Willows Springs road course.
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1:25.6
Corvette Stingray Coupe: 1:24.6 (with Z51)
The concensus from testers is the Z51 is just unreal at the road course.
That being the case, the new Z06 will have to be another order of magnitude better, so I suggest 6.2L supercharged and a DCT will make the new Z much quicker than the new Z51, or the C6Z06 or ZR1. A DCT can lower times significantly.
So let me get this straight:
On the same day, with the same drivers, at the same road course, a C7Z51, costing about half as much, beats the new 911 variant with the S upgrades and PDK by a full second (the 911 series being arguably the most successful and storied street-car based road racing line ever built), and this is not eye popping?
Historically in recent years Corvettes may have won a road course match by overpowering the opposition, but this car beat the 911 by out-handling it and out-braking it (even when the S had the PCCBs), and that is not eye-popping?
I guess we just see things differently.
12-05-2013, 01:23 PM
#37
Melting Slicks
The key to making the C6 Z06/ZR1's acceptable daily drivers as well as awesome track cars, is the magnetic suspension. I had an 08Z that rode like a lumber truck on all but mainly smooth roads. It's a great car otherwise giving a fabulous "one with the car feel and handling", but not fun when getting bounced around on pot hole strewn broken pavement highways. No doubt the C7 Z06 will have magnetic suspension as an option.
12-05-2013, 02:07 PM
#38
Advanced
Personally, I am okay with the new Z06 being a difficult daily driver. I think it should be a limited production, expensive (though still a good value next to its competition), take no prisoners, track monster. Folks who want DD should buy base or Z51 cars. Chevy should hit all markets. While maybe not as single purpose as a club racer, it should be close, like a GT3....
and I do think Chevy should start selling customer full race cars like Porsche--I think they'd make a lot of money and further build the brand's cachet.
and I do think Chevy should start selling customer full race cars like Porsche--I think they'd make a lot of money and further build the brand's cachet.
