C7 Z06 - The most track-capable Corvette ever
12-05-2013, 05:43 PM
#41
Here are some eye popping times for you:
From Edmunds.com:
In the end, [the 2013 911 Carrera S] is 1 second slower around the 1.6-mile Streets of Willows Springs road course.
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1:25.6
Corvette Stingray Coupe: 1:24.6 (with Z51)
The concensus from testers is the Z51 is just unreal at the road course.
That being the case, the new Z06 will have to be another order of magnitude better, so I suggest 6.2L supercharged and a DCT will make the new Z much quicker than the new Z51, or the C6Z06 or ZR1. A DCT can lower times significantly.
From Edmunds.com:
In the end, [the 2013 911 Carrera S] is 1 second slower around the 1.6-mile Streets of Willows Springs road course.
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1:25.6
Corvette Stingray Coupe: 1:24.6 (with Z51)
The concensus from testers is the Z51 is just unreal at the road course.
That being the case, the new Z06 will have to be another order of magnitude better, so I suggest 6.2L supercharged and a DCT will make the new Z much quicker than the new Z51, or the C6Z06 or ZR1. A DCT can lower times significantly.
In the Motortrend comparison article Randy Pobst posted a 1:20.43 at Streets of Willow in the C6Z
Last edited by dapopa9; 12-05-2013 at 05:53 PM.
12-05-2013, 07:26 PM
#42
The key to making the C6 Z06/ZR1's acceptable daily drivers as well as awesome track cars, is the magnetic suspension. I had an 08Z that rode like a lumber truck on all but mainly smooth roads. It's a great car otherwise giving a fabulous "one with the car feel and handling", but not fun when getting bounced around on pot hole strewn broken pavement highways. No doubt the C7 Z06 will have magnetic suspension as an option.
12-05-2013, 08:02 PM
#44
Melting Slicks
The C6 Z06 was a difficult car to live with daily (my son had one and although he loved the power, etc. cursed the car as a DD), so hopefully the C7 Z06 has fixed the issues.
Can't wait to get my hands on the C7Z!
12-05-2013, 08:25 PM
#45
Le Mans Master
Supercharger means its going to have stout internals, and probably 600+hp! , it should come in around 80k which is going to be a deal for the performance.
People who still rag about the rear need to see it in person, this isn't a car for an old man, its fresh and bold, where the C6 was just a C5 smooth over with valve issues.
12-05-2013, 08:31 PM
#46
Le Mans Master
I don't know what was difficult about living with the C6 Z as a daily driver: the clutch is light. Power delivery is smooth. Electric powered everything. I'm sure the C7 Z will have all these weight-adding amenities as well. What I am hoping for is a REAL track Z06 with delete options for everything that doesn't contribute to a faster lap time. Make it a separate option like the Z28.
all model C6 vettes road too nice to be sports cars , this person needs to drive a viper or ford GT then tell me the previous Z06 was hard to drive, it doesn't get any easier.
12-05-2013, 09:09 PM
#48
Scraping the splitter.
So let me get this straight:
On the same day, with the same drivers, at the same road course, a C7Z51, costing about half as much, beats the new 911 variant with the S upgrades and PDK by a full second (the 911 series being arguably the most successful and storied street-car based road racing line ever built), and this is not eye popping?
Historically in recent years Corvettes may have won a road course match by overpowering the opposition, but this car beat the 911 by out-handling it and out-braking it (even when the S had the PCCBs), and that is not eye-popping?
I guess we just see things differently.
On the same day, with the same drivers, at the same road course, a C7Z51, costing about half as much, beats the new 911 variant with the S upgrades and PDK by a full second (the 911 series being arguably the most successful and storied street-car based road racing line ever built), and this is not eye popping?
Historically in recent years Corvettes may have won a road course match by overpowering the opposition, but this car beat the 911 by out-handling it and out-braking it (even when the S had the PCCBs), and that is not eye-popping?
I guess we just see things differently.
S.
12-06-2013, 12:40 PM
#49
F12 regardless of what it did at Fiorano, is way slower than a lot of cars at Laguna with the same driver. Eye popping would be in the range of the new Viper. I'm not saying it's not a capable car, it clearly is, but listening to GM speak on it, you would think it's ZR1 fast, and it's clearly not that.
Last edited by Lavender; 12-06-2013 at 12:45 PM.
12-06-2013, 12:41 PM
#50
12-06-2013, 02:43 PM
#51
Melting Slicks
You are correct in that different conditions can effect lap times but with your statment then we might as well stop having any conversation about lap time comparison unless the cars were tested togther. Same driver, same test method, same track will give you a pretty good idea how the cars compare unless there was a drastic weather difference, especially if you are talking multiple seconds difference in time.
12-06-2013, 08:04 PM
#52
You are correct in that different conditions can effect lap times but with your statment then we might as well stop having any conversation about lap time comparison unless the cars were tested togther. Same driver, same test method, same track will give you a pretty good idea how the cars compare unless there was a drastic weather difference, especially if you are talking multiple seconds difference in time.
I'm trying to compare times done by different cars @ same day/track by the very same driver. Whether the driver is a pro like say Randy Pobst or some random amateur.
12-06-2013, 10:18 PM
#53
Not to be disrespectful but your son must not understand the difference between a Cadillac Sedan de Ville and a Performance car! I daily drive my Z06 (with the fuse pulled!) and find nothing that "makes it a difficult car to live with", sorry! With 41K miles on my 2011 the ride is perfect, handling is incredible, gets killer gas mileage (avg city/hwy 22.4 MPG)....should I go on?
Can't wait to get my hands on the C7Z!
Can't wait to get my hands on the C7Z!
12-07-2013, 09:51 PM
#55
I hope you're right but I see it starting at around $90k and well into $100k optioned out like the outgoing C6ZO6/ZO7s.
12-08-2013, 03:41 PM
#58
I think thats apples to oranges when comparing a modded C6 ZR1 to a modded C6 Z06. From the start the ZR1 is MUCH more tame than the Z06 in terms of street manners. A small cam in a Z06 it becomes an animal to drive around town.
12-08-2013, 03:55 PM
#59
Melting Slicks
Yep--same day, same track, same driver(s); otherwise bench racing is pretty indefinite. Like those silly 'ring times. Heck, one day it is 65 deg and clear and the next it is 39 and misting. Weather and track conditions are such huge variables there.
12-08-2013, 04:03 PM
#60
Safety Car
I don't care so much about how quick the Z06 will go around the track rather care about how it will go about it.
How bad is the supercharged engine going to heat soak?
Can you defeat all electronic nannies?
Do you have the use of a manual ebrake for drift days?
There are track prepped Miatas that will beat you on Streets of Willow on a casual Sunday. Then there is the issue of how hard will you push the car going through the bowl. I can tell you I'm losing 2 seconds there at least. What's cheaper to trash if going over the bowl, a track prepped Miata or a 100k Vette?
You want to go fastest around Streets, get slicks, gut car, gut exhaust, race cam, race gas on a cheap car.
How bad is the supercharged engine going to heat soak?
Can you defeat all electronic nannies?
Do you have the use of a manual ebrake for drift days?
There are track prepped Miatas that will beat you on Streets of Willow on a casual Sunday. Then there is the issue of how hard will you push the car going through the bowl. I can tell you I'm losing 2 seconds there at least. What's cheaper to trash if going over the bowl, a track prepped Miata or a 100k Vette?
You want to go fastest around Streets, get slicks, gut car, gut exhaust, race cam, race gas on a cheap car.