C7 Z06 vs C6 Z06 performance
12-05-2013, 01:35 PM
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If the car is a lot heavier it may be very close on a racetrack. Otherwise I expect the car to be a step up from the c6z.
12-05-2013, 01:45 PM
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percentage wise, whadya think.... down to 5%? 
12-05-2013, 01:53 PM
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GMs official press release states:
"It will be the most track-capable Corvette ever, designed to deliver supercar levels of performance through unique powertrain, chassis and aerodynamic features."
To me, that means it will be faster than the Z06 and ZR1.
How much faster? That will depend on how the individual race track provides access to the features in which it has improved.
"It will be the most track-capable Corvette ever, designed to deliver supercar levels of performance through unique powertrain, chassis and aerodynamic features."
To me, that means it will be faster than the Z06 and ZR1.
How much faster? That will depend on how the individual race track provides access to the features in which it has improved.
12-05-2013, 01:56 PM
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Well, put it to you like this: some LS7 faithful are going to rationalize the difference as they did with the ZR1 when it arrived: intake, tune, driver's race, and pocket the extra 30+ grand they save not buying the new model. We had those posts back then....they will be back very soon....just keep your eyes on the C6 Z06 section.
12-05-2013, 01:56 PM
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12-05-2013, 01:57 PM
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I suspect that the C7 Z06 will gain around a hundred horsepower over the C6 Z06, but the C6 Z06 is approximately 170 pounds lighter than theC7Z51 and then add around 90 pounds on the front end, and larger wheels/tires and that's around another hundred pounds for a total of 270 pounds that the C7 Z06 will be heavier than the C6 Z06.
That hurts a lot of the horsepower gain.
I don't see a lot of areas where they can shed much weight with the C7 Z06 . The C7 already has an aluminum frame so no savings to be gained there. The C7 uses a low density SMC for the fenders and doors, so carbon fiber won't save much weight there. The C6 Z06 used a carbon fiber clad balsa floor pans but the C7 uses a lightweight foam floor pans so not much there to save weight. The C6 Z06 uses a magnesium front engine cradle but the C7 uses a lightweight hollow cradle so no place there to save weight. The C7 already uses lighter weight hollow cast suspension A-arms, so not much there to chop weight with the C7 Z06.
Unless the C7 Z06 drops the AFM and the then uses a super light weight carbon fiber torque tube and prop shaft in place of the C7's heavier components, I don't see much in the way of reducing weight on the C7 Z06.
But, the net result will mean the C7 Z06 will out perform the C6 Z06 just as the C6 ZR1 out performs the C6 Z06.
That hurts a lot of the horsepower gain.
I don't see a lot of areas where they can shed much weight with the C7 Z06 . The C7 already has an aluminum frame so no savings to be gained there. The C7 uses a low density SMC for the fenders and doors, so carbon fiber won't save much weight there. The C6 Z06 used a carbon fiber clad balsa floor pans but the C7 uses a lightweight foam floor pans so not much there to save weight. The C6 Z06 uses a magnesium front engine cradle but the C7 uses a lightweight hollow cradle so no place there to save weight. The C7 already uses lighter weight hollow cast suspension A-arms, so not much there to chop weight with the C7 Z06.
Unless the C7 Z06 drops the AFM and the then uses a super light weight carbon fiber torque tube and prop shaft in place of the C7's heavier components, I don't see much in the way of reducing weight on the C7 Z06.
But, the net result will mean the C7 Z06 will out perform the C6 Z06 just as the C6 ZR1 out performs the C6 Z06.
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12-05-2013, 01:58 PM
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I would have to believe the new ZO6 HP/torque will be at least a 20% increase, maybe as high as 30%?
Perhaps more importantly, from what Pobst and others have said, the biggest difference will likely be the big reduction in twitchy behaviors and the more confidence inspiring handling experienced at the limits. For the average ZO6 driver that should translate into significantly improved track times.
Perhaps more importantly, from what Pobst and others have said, the biggest difference will likely be the big reduction in twitchy behaviors and the more confidence inspiring handling experienced at the limits. For the average ZO6 driver that should translate into significantly improved track times.
12-05-2013, 01:59 PM
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The C6Z won't even be in the same class.
I'd personally love a pair of Rear Mounted Turbos on the C7Z06
Depending on what they mean about Track Capable Vette ever.. and what we learned about the Z28 with it's what 300lb weight reduction compared to El Fatso (I mean the ZL-1), to make it weigh what the V6 Fatmaro weighed..
maybe just maybe you'll see a Stripper Vette with the ZO6.
I'd personally love a pair of Rear Mounted Turbos on the C7Z06
Depending on what they mean about Track Capable Vette ever.. and what we learned about the Z28 with it's what 300lb weight reduction compared to El Fatso (I mean the ZL-1), to make it weigh what the V6 Fatmaro weighed..
maybe just maybe you'll see a Stripper Vette with the ZO6.
12-05-2013, 02:01 PM
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I suspect that the C7 Z06 will gain around a hundred horsepower over he C6 Z06, but the C6 Z06 is approximately 270 pounds lighter than theC7Z51 and then add around 90 pounds on the front end, and larger wheels/tires and that's around another hundred pounds for a total of 370 pounds that the C7 Z06 will be heavier than the C6 Z06.
That hurts a lot of the horsepower gain.
I don't see a lot of areas where they can shed much weight with the C7 Z06 . The C7 already has an aluminum frame so no savings to be gained there. The C7 uses a low density SMC for the fenders and doors, so carbon fiber won't save much weight there. The C6 Z06 used a carbon fiber clad balsa floor pans but the C7 uses a lightweight foam floor pans so not much there to save weight. The C6 Z06 uses a magnesium front engine cradle but the C7 uses a lightweight hollow cradle so no place there to save weight. The C7 already uses lighter weight hollow cast suspension A-arms, so not much there to chop weight with the C7 Z06.
Unless the C7 Z06 drops the AFM and the then uses a super light weight carbon fiber torque tube and prop shaft in place of the C7's heavier components, I don't see much in the way of reducing weight on the C7 Z06.
That hurts a lot of the horsepower gain.
I don't see a lot of areas where they can shed much weight with the C7 Z06 . The C7 already has an aluminum frame so no savings to be gained there. The C7 uses a low density SMC for the fenders and doors, so carbon fiber won't save much weight there. The C6 Z06 used a carbon fiber clad balsa floor pans but the C7 uses a lightweight foam floor pans so not much there to save weight. The C6 Z06 uses a magnesium front engine cradle but the C7 uses a lightweight hollow cradle so no place there to save weight. The C7 already uses lighter weight hollow cast suspension A-arms, so not much there to chop weight with the C7 Z06.
Unless the C7 Z06 drops the AFM and the then uses a super light weight carbon fiber torque tube and prop shaft in place of the C7's heavier components, I don't see much in the way of reducing weight on the C7 Z06.
12-05-2013, 02:05 PM
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I suspect that the C7 Z06 will gain around a hundred horsepower over the C6 Z06, but the C6 Z06 is approximately 270 pounds lighter than theC7Z51 and then add around 90 pounds on the front end, and larger wheels/tires and that's around another hundred pounds for a total of 370 pounds that the C7 Z06 will be heavier than the C6 Z06.
That hurts a lot of the horsepower gain.
I don't see a lot of areas where they can shed much weight with the C7 Z06 . The C7 already has an aluminum frame so no savings to be gained there. The C7 uses a low density SMC for the fenders and doors, so carbon fiber won't save much weight there. The C6 Z06 used a carbon fiber clad balsa floor pans but the C7 uses a lightweight foam floor pans so not much there to save weight. The C6 Z06 uses a magnesium front engine cradle but the C7 uses a lightweight hollow cradle so no place there to save weight. The C7 already uses lighter weight hollow cast suspension A-arms, so not much there to chop weight with the C7 Z06.
Unless the C7 Z06 drops the AFM and the then uses a super light weight carbon fiber torque tube and prop shaft in place of the C7's heavier components, I don't see much in the way of reducing weight on the C7 Z06.
But, the net result will mean the C7 Z06 will out perform the C6 Z06 just as the C6 ZR1 out performs the C6 Z06.
That hurts a lot of the horsepower gain.
I don't see a lot of areas where they can shed much weight with the C7 Z06 . The C7 already has an aluminum frame so no savings to be gained there. The C7 uses a low density SMC for the fenders and doors, so carbon fiber won't save much weight there. The C6 Z06 used a carbon fiber clad balsa floor pans but the C7 uses a lightweight foam floor pans so not much there to save weight. The C6 Z06 uses a magnesium front engine cradle but the C7 uses a lightweight hollow cradle so no place there to save weight. The C7 already uses lighter weight hollow cast suspension A-arms, so not much there to chop weight with the C7 Z06.
Unless the C7 Z06 drops the AFM and the then uses a super light weight carbon fiber torque tube and prop shaft in place of the C7's heavier components, I don't see much in the way of reducing weight on the C7 Z06.
But, the net result will mean the C7 Z06 will out perform the C6 Z06 just as the C6 ZR1 out performs the C6 Z06.
12-05-2013, 02:06 PM
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Le Mans Master
May not be. Going off pure speculation of talking out of my ***, since the FI C6 car didn't avoid the guzzler tax, seems worthless to have DOD on a high output FI car that will drink the gas and still incur that tax. BUT if they can manage to rope in 600hp+ on this Vette and avoid the guzzler tax that's quite an achievement, too. That was one of the cool things I always liked about the LS7 Vettes.
12-05-2013, 02:17 PM
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May not be. Going off pure speculation of talking out of my ***, since the FI C6 car didn't avoid the guzzler tax, seems worthless to have DOD on a high output FI car that will drink the gas and still incur that tax. BUT if they can manage to rope in 600hp+ on this Vette and avoid the guzzler tax that's quite an achievement, too. That was one of the cool things I always liked about the LS7 Vettes.
12-05-2013, 02:26 PM
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GM always manages to make whatever you have seem obsolete. As much as I love my C6 Z06, I'm sure the C7 Z06 will be faster and more capable. How much faster and capable will have alot to do with how light they can make it. It will definitely have a minimum of 100 more horsepower. The other question is, can they manage to get the power to the ground without frying the tires. That is already a problem with the C6 Z06.
In any event, I'm looking forward to the C7 Z06 and I'm glad they stuck with a legendary name
In any event, I'm looking forward to the C7 Z06 and I'm glad they stuck with a legendary name