What's the price tag?
#41
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#42
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Take a base C7 plus Z51 and you have 55K. Now, how about some credit from GM for that LT1 engine and clutch they aren't going to use, say 9K, so your down to 46K.
Kick in 25K for a the new LT4 plus a new heavier clutch your at 71K, which for a base C7 ZO6 would be a good starting point.
They push that price much higher and the sales simply won't be their. Then add options, as they do with the base C7, would be a very good marketing plan.
The new C7 with the Z51 package is quite track capable right now, just needs a few more ponies to get it up into the super car rankings. Some folks will mod their C7's, if the C7 ZO6 is out of a realistic price range. Remember we have already seen a C7 run high 9's. With new ported heads,cam and headers it would surely kick *** around the "ring".
#43
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Lets just hope Sam.
......I am ready to change my order from a Z51 to the Z06 if the price is right......
I think there is a great shot that it comes in under 80 grand for a base 1LT...
Now you wont be getting ceramic brakes for that price.
......Options will drive the price up sky high....just like Porsche does.....
That's what I think is going to happen......
.....and it will make it obtainable for previous gen Z06 owners...
......and those that want a complete monster can separate themselves by checking the options box...ceramic brakes.... etc.
I think that would be great for sales...everyone would be satisfied...guys who just want an obtainable Z06...and those that need the ultimate Z06....
I am a guru...I am right... I am Tadge..... We are trying to sell cars here...hahahahahahaha
On the slim chance I am wrong..... OPTION 2: Z51.....add blower...wide body fenders ...and STEAM ROLLERS......
......I am ready to change my order from a Z51 to the Z06 if the price is right......
I think there is a great shot that it comes in under 80 grand for a base 1LT...
Now you wont be getting ceramic brakes for that price.
......Options will drive the price up sky high....just like Porsche does.....
That's what I think is going to happen......
.....and it will make it obtainable for previous gen Z06 owners...
......and those that want a complete monster can separate themselves by checking the options box...ceramic brakes.... etc.
I think that would be great for sales...everyone would be satisfied...guys who just want an obtainable Z06...and those that need the ultimate Z06....
I am a guru...I am right... I am Tadge..... We are trying to sell cars here...hahahahahahaha
On the slim chance I am wrong..... OPTION 2: Z51.....add blower...wide body fenders ...and STEAM ROLLERS......
Last edited by Hemi Dave; 12-08-2013 at 03:05 PM.
#44
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ya, i agree.
Take a base c7 plus z51 and you have 55k. Now, how about some credit from gm for that lt1 engine and clutch they aren't going to use, say 9k, so your down to 46k.
addition by subtraction We know the ls9 was was about $10 grand more than the ls7 from the difference in price between the z07 z06 and the zr1, so you can make the case the lt4 may be that much more than the lt1.
kick in 25k for a the new lt4 plus a new heavier clutch your at 71k, which for a base c7 zo6 would be a good starting point.
there is no way on this earth base c7 z06 prices will be $5k less than the exiting model,base c6 z06's at $76,945 ( i think)
they push that price much higher and the sales simply won't be their. Then add options, as they do with the base c7, would be a very good marketing plan.
maybe not as many sales from the old guard corvette base, but i think new c7 fans (who actually like the tail lights) will purchase it.
the new c7 with the z51 package is quite track capable right now, just needs a few more ponies to get it up into the super car rankings. Some folks will mod their c7's, if the c7 zo6 is out of a realistic price range. Remember we have already seen a c7 run high 9's. With new ported heads,cam and headers it would surely kick *** around the "ring".
true, but if a loaded z51 is $75k, $7k in mods puts you at $82k with no warrantee. With that small a difference, i think most would rather have a factory warrantee on a first year model with a newly designed block. A good example of this would be the ls7 valve train issues, right
My opinion is they sell at any price...
Take a base c7 plus z51 and you have 55k. Now, how about some credit from gm for that lt1 engine and clutch they aren't going to use, say 9k, so your down to 46k.
addition by subtraction We know the ls9 was was about $10 grand more than the ls7 from the difference in price between the z07 z06 and the zr1, so you can make the case the lt4 may be that much more than the lt1.
kick in 25k for a the new lt4 plus a new heavier clutch your at 71k, which for a base c7 zo6 would be a good starting point.
there is no way on this earth base c7 z06 prices will be $5k less than the exiting model,base c6 z06's at $76,945 ( i think)
they push that price much higher and the sales simply won't be their. Then add options, as they do with the base c7, would be a very good marketing plan.
maybe not as many sales from the old guard corvette base, but i think new c7 fans (who actually like the tail lights) will purchase it.
the new c7 with the z51 package is quite track capable right now, just needs a few more ponies to get it up into the super car rankings. Some folks will mod their c7's, if the c7 zo6 is out of a realistic price range. Remember we have already seen a c7 run high 9's. With new ported heads,cam and headers it would surely kick *** around the "ring".
true, but if a loaded z51 is $75k, $7k in mods puts you at $82k with no warrantee. With that small a difference, i think most would rather have a factory warrantee on a first year model with a newly designed block. A good example of this would be the ls7 valve train issues, right
My opinion is they sell at any price...
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Lets just hope Sam.
......I am ready to change my order from a Z51 to the Z06 if the price is right......
I think there is a great shot that it comes in under 80 grand for a base 1LT...
Now you wont be getting ceramic brakes for that price.
......Options will drive the price up sky high....just like Porsche does.....
That's what I think is going to happen......
.....and it will make it obtainable for previous gen Z06 owners...
......and those that want a complete monster can separate themselves by checking the options box...ceramic brakes.... etc.
I think that would be great for sales...everyone would be satisfied...guys who just want an obtainable Z06...and those that need the ultimate Z06....
I am a guru...I am right... I am Tadge..... We are trying to sell cars here...hahahahahahaha
On the slim chance I am wrong..... OPTION 2: Z51.....add blower...wide body fenders ...and STEAM ROLLERS......
......I am ready to change my order from a Z51 to the Z06 if the price is right......
I think there is a great shot that it comes in under 80 grand for a base 1LT...
Now you wont be getting ceramic brakes for that price.
......Options will drive the price up sky high....just like Porsche does.....
That's what I think is going to happen......
.....and it will make it obtainable for previous gen Z06 owners...
......and those that want a complete monster can separate themselves by checking the options box...ceramic brakes.... etc.
I think that would be great for sales...everyone would be satisfied...guys who just want an obtainable Z06...and those that need the ultimate Z06....
I am a guru...I am right... I am Tadge..... We are trying to sell cars here...hahahahahahaha
On the slim chance I am wrong..... OPTION 2: Z51.....add blower...wide body fenders ...and STEAM ROLLERS......
I think you are spot on.
#46
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Lets just hope Sam.
......I am ready to change my order from a Z51 to the Z06 if the price is right......
I think there is a great shot that it comes in under 80 grand for a base 1LT...
Now you wont be getting ceramic brakes for that price.
......Options will drive the price up sky high....just like Porsche does.....
That's what I think is going to happen......
.....and it will make it obtainable for previous gen Z06 owners...
......and those that want a complete monster can separate themselves by checking the options box...ceramic brakes.... etc.
I think that would be great for sales...everyone would be satisfied...guys who just want an obtainable Z06...and those that need the ultimate Z06....
I am a guru...I am right... I am Tadge..... We are trying to sell cars here...hahahahahahaha
On the slim chance I am wrong..... OPTION 2: Z51.....add blower...wide body fenders ...and STEAM ROLLERS......
......I am ready to change my order from a Z51 to the Z06 if the price is right......
I think there is a great shot that it comes in under 80 grand for a base 1LT...
Now you wont be getting ceramic brakes for that price.
......Options will drive the price up sky high....just like Porsche does.....
That's what I think is going to happen......
.....and it will make it obtainable for previous gen Z06 owners...
......and those that want a complete monster can separate themselves by checking the options box...ceramic brakes.... etc.
I think that would be great for sales...everyone would be satisfied...guys who just want an obtainable Z06...and those that need the ultimate Z06....
I am a guru...I am right... I am Tadge..... We are trying to sell cars here...hahahahahahaha
On the slim chance I am wrong..... OPTION 2: Z51.....add blower...wide body fenders ...and STEAM ROLLERS......
I've seen C6 Z07 for 100K+. I think it's one of the main things that makes Vettes of all levels so accessible: there's a large range of price levels, and the base price of the lowest model remains "attainable by the working man/woman" (some may have to save and sacrifice but this has been GM's goal for decades, hasn't it?). Just looking at the C7, how many people are going for no-option cars? And how many are going for 3LT level? And look at the rate these things are selling. It is, for most 'working people', perhaps attainable to pay 65K or thereabouts for a car. $80-85K gets into a higher income level IMO. So maybe Joe-the-plumber can't afford one of those, but he can afford a lesser model. And there IMO will not be a shortage of people who can and will pay 85K for a '15 Z06. The more the price rises, IMO, the fewer of those they'll sell. ZR1 is spectacular, but way more Z06 got sold.
I think if a loaded '14 Stingray is 75K and a base '15 Z06 is 95K, that's too big of a gap in accessibility or those who can afford more than a '14 Stingray. A base price of 80-85K seems like it'd move more Z06s, and as long as the options are attractive, then they'd sell 90-95K models too.
Just a guess at this point on my part though.
#47
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Like the last model of Z06, there will be a base starting around 78 or so adding all the options, remember Carbon ceramic is a 15k option, the race seat would be another 3500 and maybe a carbon fiber package for 3k. I say it peaks at 115=118 fully loaded
#48
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I was surprised the C7 went up the small amount it did over the '13 C6. Price of '15 Z06 of course mostly depends on what's in it, including the base version. If nothing massively upgraded, I'd guess about 79K.
I've seen C6 Z07 for 100K+. I think it's one of the main things that makes Vettes of all levels so accessible: there's a large range of price levels, and the base price of the lowest model remains "attainable by the working man/woman" (some may have to save and sacrifice but this has been GM's goal for decades, hasn't it?). Just looking at the C7, how many people are going for no-option cars? And how many are going for 3LT level? And look at the rate these things are selling. It is, for most 'working people', perhaps attainable to pay 65K or thereabouts for a car. $80-85K gets into a higher income level IMO. So maybe Joe-the-plumber can't afford one of those, but he can afford a lesser model. And there IMO will not be a shortage of people who can and will pay 85K for a '15 Z06. The more the price rises, IMO, the fewer of those they'll sell. ZR1 is spectacular, but way more Z06 got sold.
I think if a loaded '14 Stingray is 75K and a base '15 Z06 is 95K, that's too big of a gap in accessibility or those who can afford more than a '14 Stingray. A base price of 80-85K seems like it'd move more Z06s, and as long as the options are attractive, then they'd sell 90-95K models too.
Just a guess at this point on my part though.
I've seen C6 Z07 for 100K+. I think it's one of the main things that makes Vettes of all levels so accessible: there's a large range of price levels, and the base price of the lowest model remains "attainable by the working man/woman" (some may have to save and sacrifice but this has been GM's goal for decades, hasn't it?). Just looking at the C7, how many people are going for no-option cars? And how many are going for 3LT level? And look at the rate these things are selling. It is, for most 'working people', perhaps attainable to pay 65K or thereabouts for a car. $80-85K gets into a higher income level IMO. So maybe Joe-the-plumber can't afford one of those, but he can afford a lesser model. And there IMO will not be a shortage of people who can and will pay 85K for a '15 Z06. The more the price rises, IMO, the fewer of those they'll sell. ZR1 is spectacular, but way more Z06 got sold.
I think if a loaded '14 Stingray is 75K and a base '15 Z06 is 95K, that's too big of a gap in accessibility or those who can afford more than a '14 Stingray. A base price of 80-85K seems like it'd move more Z06s, and as long as the options are attractive, then they'd sell 90-95K models too.
Just a guess at this point on my part though.
$81,645 base. The newly designed engine takes you out of the $70's to the low 80's.
#49
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Whats amazing are the fools who will argue for a higher price and then pay for it to get the "wow" factor......then get beat at the track!
As of right now Vendors are giving new C7's $2500 off sticker. The rush is over. On their trucks, they raised the sticker price and ended up giving huge discounts as they just sat on the lots. 90-100K Vettes will sell.....very, very slowly as soon as the "wow guys" buy them.
Low mileage used ZR1's are now sitting with asking prices of 75-80K.
They surprised everyone when they brought out the new Z28 camaro with the LS 7.
So, maybe 2 Vettes will come out in Detroit...a ZO6 NA AND FI ZR1.
A DI LT7 555 hp NA Z06, base $73,995.00 with the new Z51 package/wide body would do very, very well.
Ya, I agree, that won't happen, but it sure would be great if it did!
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#50
Whats amazing are the fools who will argue for a higher price and then pay for it to get the "wow" factor......then get beat at the track!
#52
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After seeing the laundry list of improvement's that everyone is talking about at this point over the base C-7! Wide body, carbon brakes, F/I, etc
I think the price goes over the 100 k mark to 120k then a serious dealer mark-up over MSRP!
Hello 130-135k!
Anyone care to predict the price!
I think the price goes over the 100 k mark to 120k then a serious dealer mark-up over MSRP!
Hello 130-135k!
Anyone care to predict the price!
2nd I believe GM will go back to the C5 Z when it comes to the way it looks, the C7 is already a wide body as engineers said when it was introduced, it's the drivetrain that is going to be awesome, and keep the car in the 80k range, no way the car will be close to 100k, as someone said, it will just sit like the viper, the price on that car probably killed it, GM won't make the same mistake.
#53
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So, the new C7 Z51 is now flawed and a better race version has already been developed in such a short time. Hmmmm on that! Naw, C7 Z51 is already raced prepped, has all the good stuff and just needs a few more hp.
Whats amazing are the fools who will argue for a higher price and then pay for it to get the "wow" factor......then get beat at the track!
As of right now Vendors are giving new C7's $2500 off sticker. The rush is over. On their trucks, they raised the sticker price and ended up giving huge discounts as they just sat on the lots. 90-100K Vettes will sell.....very, very slowly as soon as the "wow guys" buy them.
Low mileage used ZR1's are now sitting with asking prices of 75-80K.
They surprised everyone when they brought out the new Z28 camaro with the LS 7.
So, maybe 2 Vettes will come out in Detroit...a ZO6 NA AND FI ZR1.
A DI LS7 555 hp NA Z06, base $73,995.00 with the new Z51 package/wide body would do very, very well.
Ya, I agree, that won't happen, but it sure would be great if it did!
Whats amazing are the fools who will argue for a higher price and then pay for it to get the "wow" factor......then get beat at the track!
As of right now Vendors are giving new C7's $2500 off sticker. The rush is over. On their trucks, they raised the sticker price and ended up giving huge discounts as they just sat on the lots. 90-100K Vettes will sell.....very, very slowly as soon as the "wow guys" buy them.
Low mileage used ZR1's are now sitting with asking prices of 75-80K.
They surprised everyone when they brought out the new Z28 camaro with the LS 7.
So, maybe 2 Vettes will come out in Detroit...a ZO6 NA AND FI ZR1.
A DI LS7 555 hp NA Z06, base $73,995.00 with the new Z51 package/wide body would do very, very well.
Ya, I agree, that won't happen, but it sure would be great if it did!
I don't think there will be a wide body C7, but if there is putting it on a base car will just water the vette line down like the c6, I hope GM doesn't make that mistake again.
Anyone who prefers a na motor bs a FI motor has never driven an FI motor, the are so damn fun, and let's face it, 99% of the people on here don't even take their cars to the track, I see some 1/4 times for C7's that have the Z51 option, but don't see any track times, the only track times I see are cut and paste from magazines.
#55
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The LS motors are old news, it is now about the LT motors, the lS7 is the most flawed, brittle motor ever put in a corvette, good riddance to that motor.
I don't think there will be a wide body C7, but if there is putting it on a base car will just water the vette line down like the c6, I hope GM doesn't make that mistake again.
Anyone who prefers a na motor bs a FI motor has never driven an FI motor, the are so damn fun, and let's face it, 99% of the people on here don't even take their cars to the track, I see some 1/4 times for C7's that have the Z51 option, but don't see any track times, the only track times I see are cut and paste from magazines.
I don't think there will be a wide body C7, but if there is putting it on a base car will just water the vette line down like the c6, I hope GM doesn't make that mistake again.
Anyone who prefers a na motor bs a FI motor has never driven an FI motor, the are so damn fun, and let's face it, 99% of the people on here don't even take their cars to the track, I see some 1/4 times for C7's that have the Z51 option, but don't see any track times, the only track times I see are cut and paste from magazines.
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At least that's what I'm hoping their strategy is.
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I agree. Look at their strategy with the base stingray. Way cheaper than expected entry price, but many options that can significantly raise the price and their profit margin.
I also remember those that said there was no way they'd release the Stingray anywhere close to the outgoing base C6 price. Sound familiar?
#58
Scraping the splitter.
You are absolutely right. But they will not get beat at the track because they do not go to the track. I will use the term FPS (Ferrari/Porsche syndrome) describes people who are all about image, like fans who emulate sports stars or movie/music stars rather than doing and living their own life.
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I agree. Look at their strategy with the base stingray. Way cheaper than expected entry price, but many options that can significantly raise the price and their profit margin.
I also remember those that said there was no way they'd release the Stingray anywhere close to the outgoing base C6 price. Sound familiar?
I also remember those that said there was no way they'd release the Stingray anywhere close to the outgoing base C6 price. Sound familiar?