There may only be a Z06 and no ZR1......?
12-18-2013, 10:57 PM
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Le Mans Master
12-18-2013, 11:26 PM
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12-19-2013, 04:54 PM
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In my opinion If its got a supercharger, its a ZR1, if it i naturally aspirated its a Z06.
GM, however, can name it whatever suits their fancy, But all Z06s of the past have been NA like their race counterparts.
GM, however, can name it whatever suits their fancy, But all Z06s of the past have been NA like their race counterparts.
12-19-2013, 05:57 PM
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I think it's really not a Z06 without a 36.5 gallon gas tank ..
12-19-2013, 06:29 PM
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Been saying this for a while now. There are two things that will disappear from this 7th generation of the Corvette:
1) 7.0L engine
2) A "ZR1" model that starts over $100K
This is the new GM. The post-bankruptcy, post-Government Motors, post-bailout GM. They've learned from their mistakes and from offering too many models of same old formula. The execs running this company also understand the two above items, simply aren't worth the return on investment. Not when a supercharged LT4 can make much more 'reliable' power than a Gen5 version of a N/A 7.0L. We all know that while the LS7 was a incredible engine, it was not a reliable one. And thats a major concern when you are putting a 5yr/100K powertrain warranty on every car you sell. Do I even need mention the trend with every vehicle manufacturer is smaller, more efficient engines?
As far as the ZR1 model. It simply didn't sell well enough to warrant a return this generation. There's a very, very small market of people who are interested in purchasing a Corvette that starts over the $100K mark. Even then, those who did purchase a ZR1, mainly did so only with help of huge factory discounts. As if discounting the vehicle heavily wasnt enough, many ZR1's have already depreciated down to almost half their original MSRP sticker price. Meaning those people who were willing to purchase a ZR1 last generation, may not be as willing to purchase another $100K Corvette this generation.
The new GM is smarter. They've seen how poorly a $100K ZR1, GTR and Viper is currently selling. They know that a Z06, starting at $80K, can provide all the performance necessary to compete with cars costing $300K or more. And for those customers who want even more performance. GM can simply offer a menu of expensive upgrades & options on C7Z06. One of the best reasons to go supercharged, is that its very easy add more HP thru simple upgrades.
1) 7.0L engine
2) A "ZR1" model that starts over $100K
This is the new GM. The post-bankruptcy, post-Government Motors, post-bailout GM. They've learned from their mistakes and from offering too many models of same old formula. The execs running this company also understand the two above items, simply aren't worth the return on investment. Not when a supercharged LT4 can make much more 'reliable' power than a Gen5 version of a N/A 7.0L. We all know that while the LS7 was a incredible engine, it was not a reliable one. And thats a major concern when you are putting a 5yr/100K powertrain warranty on every car you sell. Do I even need mention the trend with every vehicle manufacturer is smaller, more efficient engines?
As far as the ZR1 model. It simply didn't sell well enough to warrant a return this generation. There's a very, very small market of people who are interested in purchasing a Corvette that starts over the $100K mark. Even then, those who did purchase a ZR1, mainly did so only with help of huge factory discounts. As if discounting the vehicle heavily wasnt enough, many ZR1's have already depreciated down to almost half their original MSRP sticker price. Meaning those people who were willing to purchase a ZR1 last generation, may not be as willing to purchase another $100K Corvette this generation.
The new GM is smarter. They've seen how poorly a $100K ZR1, GTR and Viper is currently selling. They know that a Z06, starting at $80K, can provide all the performance necessary to compete with cars costing $300K or more. And for those customers who want even more performance. GM can simply offer a menu of expensive upgrades & options on C7Z06. One of the best reasons to go supercharged, is that its very easy add more HP thru simple upgrades.
12-19-2013, 11:08 PM
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12-20-2013, 11:59 AM
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The Z will be a world class performer. If they come out with a ZR down the road that can incrementally outperform the Z, so what? It'll be one of the few cars on the planet that will be able to do so, and better yet, it's a Corvette brethren to boot. My ZR outperforms my Callaway in nearly every metric. Doesn't change the fact my Callaway is a blast to drive and darned few machines exist that can do what it does.
You can always wait for the next great thing. It may or may not come.
Another option - get the new Z and if in 2 - 3 years they release a ZR and it's a hot pile of sex you can't live without, then trade the Z for one.
All we know at this point is there will be a Z, and there might be a ZR.
12-20-2013, 12:06 PM
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If I had to place a wager on it, I would say no ZR1, but another HP, limited production model. I'm thinking more likely the rumored "Blue Devil" or L88 version with a different name than ZR1.
12-20-2013, 12:08 PM
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So? The Z will be a world class performer. If they come out with a ZR down the road that can incrementally outperform the Z, so what? It'll be one of the few cars on the planet that will be able to do so, and better yet, it's a Corvette brethren to boot. My ZR outperforms my Callaway in nearly every metric. Doesn't change the fact my Callaway is a blast to drive and darned few machines exist that can do what it does. You can always wait for the next great thing. It may or may not come. Another option - get the new Z and if in 2 - 3 years they release a ZR and it's a hot pile of sex you can't live without, then trade the Z for one. All we know at this point is there will be a Z, and there might be a ZR.
I turned twenty seven yesterday and my daily driver is an SS Camaro with 40 thousand miles. In 2009 I was working on a garbage truck for 8 dollars an hour. I can wait
I'm still driving a car nicer than I expected to at this age and that Camaro still brings a smile to my face when I'm having a bad day.I just want the best I hope it makes some sense.
and I am not entirely sure the r36 is going to be a smart buy going hybrid I see tuners struggling initially. I feel a lot more comfortable going All American with a 120 thousand dollar budget
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12-20-2013, 12:41 PM
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HZ - If you're comfortable modding and plan to do so anyway, then you could use either platform. There are some beastly modded vettes out there, and will be going foward with the 7 variants as well. In fact if you're planning to mod, many would suggest keeping the $ delta b/n the Z and ZR and use those $ for the mods. The "heirarchy" b/n the two machines resonates most in bone stock stock form (and then by incremental perf metrics). Once you go mod, the sky (and checkbook) is the limit with either one.
12-20-2013, 01:17 PM
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It also appears that the ZR1 is going to be a one-off model, completely separate from the C7 platform. If that's the case, it's going to cost a lot more than the Z06. I imagine it being a unique model like the Ford GT. I wouldn't be surprised to see the ZR1 priced close to 200k.
12-20-2013, 01:41 PM
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HZ - If you're comfortable modding and plan to do so anyway, then you could use either platform. There are some beastly modded vettes out there, and will be going foward with the 7 variants as well. In fact if you're planning to mod, many would suggest keeping the $ delta b/n the Z and ZR and use those $ for the mods. The "heirarchy" b/n the two machines resonates most in bone stock stock form (and then by incremental perf metrics). Once you go mod, the sky (and checkbook) is the limit with either one.
that car turns heads including mine.
12-21-2013, 03:52 AM
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I think when GM states "The Corvette Z06 will complete Chevrolet’s performance car lineup, which will also see the addition of the Corvette Stingray Convertible, Camaro Z/28 and SS sedan," they could be right in saying that, while also leaving open the option of a ZR1-type car later on down the line, especially if the economy picks up. They could mean that, as the Z06 has been in the works for some time, when it is released, it will literally complete the performance car lineup, as they currently have it planned. For the short term, that could be absolutely correct. But the performance car lineup is constantly evolving, in response to what the market will bear, and due to the simple fact that old models get old; there's likely to be a new-generation Camaro, with models that have even higher performance than the Z/28. To me, it doesn't sound like they're saying a ZR1-type car is off the table.
12-21-2013, 08:22 AM
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You were the one who said they are still going for 130, you are one of those guys who thinks that their car will never go down in value, when fact is corvettes(yes even ZR1's) fall off a cliff I'm looking to buy an 08 viper with very little mileage on it, alond side it is a 2011 3lz zr1, they are asking just as much for the viper, corvette are made in to high volume to retain value, only the C1 ,c2, and some chrome number c3's( like the 68 or 69 big blocks are worth money as well as the 1970 Lt1, those days are long gone, hell I wasn't even born until 76.