There may only be a Z06 and no ZR1......?
12-09-2013, 08:13 PM
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There may only be a Z06 and no ZR1......?
12-09-2013, 08:51 PM
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I don't know about these guys...."the 631 HP ZR1" ?
12-09-2013, 09:00 PM
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12-09-2013, 11:46 PM
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Let's be thankful there is a Z06 for now.
We can all worry about ZR1 next year.
We can all worry about ZR1 next year.
12-10-2013, 11:06 AM
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12-10-2013, 12:39 PM
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Nonsense. The next ZR1 will be a 720hp 4.5 liter high revving twin turbo
12-10-2013, 12:56 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised to only see 1 up model for a long time. Look at the c5s. There was only a z06. People expect GM to do the same thing over and over. It may make more sense to have one high end car, and maybe just bump the power/revise it in a few years.
12-10-2013, 01:02 PM
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Been saying this for a while now. There are two things that will disappear from this 7th generation of the Corvette:
1) 7.0L engine
2) A "ZR1" model that starts over $100K
This is the new GM. The post-bankruptcy, post-Government Motors, post-bailout GM. They've learned from their mistakes and from offering too many models of same old formula. The execs running this company also understand the two above items, simply aren't worth the return on investment. Not when a supercharged LT4 can make much more 'reliable' power than a Gen5 version of a N/A 7.0L. We all know that while the LS7 was a incredible engine, it was not a reliable one. And thats a major concern when you are putting a 5yr/100K powertrain warranty on every car you sell. Do I even need mention the trend with every vehicle manufacturer is smaller, more efficient engines?
As far as the ZR1 model. It simply didn't sell well enough to warrant a return this generation. There's a very, very small market of people who are interested in purchasing a Corvette that starts over the $100K mark. Even then, those who did purchase a ZR1, mainly did so only with help of huge factory discounts. As if discounting the vehicle heavily wasnt enough, many ZR1's have already depreciated down to almost half their original MSRP sticker price. Meaning those people who were willing to purchase a ZR1 last generation, may not be as willing to purchase another $100K Corvette this generation.
The new GM is smarter. They've seen how poorly a $100K ZR1, GTR and Viper is currently selling. They know that a Z06, starting at $80K, can provide all the performance necessary to compete with cars costing $300K or more. And for those customers who want even more performance. GM can simply offer a menu of expensive upgrades & options on C7Z06. One of the best reasons to go supercharged, is that its very easy add more HP thru simple upgrades.
1) 7.0L engine
2) A "ZR1" model that starts over $100K
This is the new GM. The post-bankruptcy, post-Government Motors, post-bailout GM. They've learned from their mistakes and from offering too many models of same old formula. The execs running this company also understand the two above items, simply aren't worth the return on investment. Not when a supercharged LT4 can make much more 'reliable' power than a Gen5 version of a N/A 7.0L. We all know that while the LS7 was a incredible engine, it was not a reliable one. And thats a major concern when you are putting a 5yr/100K powertrain warranty on every car you sell. Do I even need mention the trend with every vehicle manufacturer is smaller, more efficient engines?
As far as the ZR1 model. It simply didn't sell well enough to warrant a return this generation. There's a very, very small market of people who are interested in purchasing a Corvette that starts over the $100K mark. Even then, those who did purchase a ZR1, mainly did so only with help of huge factory discounts. As if discounting the vehicle heavily wasnt enough, many ZR1's have already depreciated down to almost half their original MSRP sticker price. Meaning those people who were willing to purchase a ZR1 last generation, may not be as willing to purchase another $100K Corvette this generation.
The new GM is smarter. They've seen how poorly a $100K ZR1, GTR and Viper is currently selling. They know that a Z06, starting at $80K, can provide all the performance necessary to compete with cars costing $300K or more. And for those customers who want even more performance. GM can simply offer a menu of expensive upgrades & options on C7Z06. One of the best reasons to go supercharged, is that its very easy add more HP thru simple upgrades.
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12-10-2013, 01:18 PM
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Been saying this for a while now. There are two things that will disappear from this 7th generation of the Corvette:
1) 7.0L engine
2) A "ZR1" model that starts over $100K
This is the new GM. The post-bankruptcy, post-Government Motors, post-bailout GM. They've learned from their mistakes and from offering too many models of same old formula. The execs running this company also understand the two above items, simply aren't worth the return on investment. Not when a supercharged LT4 can make much more 'reliable' power than a Gen5 version of a N/A 7.0L. We all know that while the LS7 was a incredible engine, it was not a reliable one. And thats a major concern when you are putting a 5yr/100K powertrain warranty on every car you sell. Do I even need mention the trend with every vehicle manufacturer is smaller, more efficient engines?
As far as the ZR1 model. It simply didn't sell well enough to warrant a return this generation. There's a very, very small market of people who are interested in purchasing a Corvette that starts over the $100K mark. Even then, those who did purchase a ZR1, mainly did so only with help of huge factory discounts. As if discounting the vehicle heavily wasnt enough, many ZR1's have already depreciated down to almost half their original MSRP sticker price. Meaning those people who were willing to purchase a ZR1 last generation, may not be as willing to purchase another $100K Corvette this generation.
The new GM is smarter. They've seen how poorly a $100K ZR1, GTR and Viper is currently selling. They know that a Z06, starting at $80K, can provide all the performance necessary to compete with cars costing $300K or more. And for those customers who want even more performance. GM can simply offer a menu of expensive upgrades & options on C7Z06. One of the best reasons to go supercharged, is that its very easy add more HP thru simple upgrades.
1) 7.0L engine
2) A "ZR1" model that starts over $100K
This is the new GM. The post-bankruptcy, post-Government Motors, post-bailout GM. They've learned from their mistakes and from offering too many models of same old formula. The execs running this company also understand the two above items, simply aren't worth the return on investment. Not when a supercharged LT4 can make much more 'reliable' power than a Gen5 version of a N/A 7.0L. We all know that while the LS7 was a incredible engine, it was not a reliable one. And thats a major concern when you are putting a 5yr/100K powertrain warranty on every car you sell. Do I even need mention the trend with every vehicle manufacturer is smaller, more efficient engines?
As far as the ZR1 model. It simply didn't sell well enough to warrant a return this generation. There's a very, very small market of people who are interested in purchasing a Corvette that starts over the $100K mark. Even then, those who did purchase a ZR1, mainly did so only with help of huge factory discounts. As if discounting the vehicle heavily wasnt enough, many ZR1's have already depreciated down to almost half their original MSRP sticker price. Meaning those people who were willing to purchase a ZR1 last generation, may not be as willing to purchase another $100K Corvette this generation.
The new GM is smarter. They've seen how poorly a $100K ZR1, GTR and Viper is currently selling. They know that a Z06, starting at $80K, can provide all the performance necessary to compete with cars costing $300K or more. And for those customers who want even more performance. GM can simply offer a menu of expensive upgrades & options on C7Z06. One of the best reasons to go supercharged, is that its very easy add more HP thru simple upgrades.
12-10-2013, 01:23 PM
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I agree. Even tho the Z dates back to the C2 and the ZR back to the C3, the C6 gen was the only time they both appeared in the same generation.
12-10-2013, 01:59 PM
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Don't want to give details... but it's my interpretation of what I've been told from people who's opinions I respect. Basically I've just heard Z06 for a bit... then "super Vette"... with no other details. Combining that with the fact that GM recently re-upped the L88 trademark and the drive for more efficiency makes me think factory Twin Turbo L88.
12-10-2013, 02:11 PM
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Don't want to give details... but it's my interpretation of what I've been told from people who's opinions I respect. Basically I've just heard Z06 for a bit... then "super Vette"... with no other details. Combining that with the fact that GM recently re-upped the L88 trademark and the drive for more efficiency makes me think factory Twin Turbo L88.
That is a very special designation.
12-10-2013, 03:17 PM
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Don't want to give details... but it's my interpretation of what I've been told from people who's opinions I respect. Basically I've just heard Z06 for a bit... then "super Vette"... with no other details. Combining that with the fact that GM recently re-upped the L88 trademark and the drive for more efficiency makes me think factory Twin Turbo L88.
Another market crash = no ZR1. Simple as that really.
12-10-2013, 06:50 PM
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I have been guessing that there would only be one performance model, for the C7, cafe standards and this crappy market, I don't see a need for a 3rd model, if the C7 Z starts at 80k and have 600hp there will be no need for another.
Corvette will also go back to its roots(somewhat) in producing a sports car for the everyday man.
Look at how bad SRT messed up with the viper, nice cars but priced much to high.
Even at 20k off they are still not moving.
GM isn't going to make the same mistake
That being said... You never know
Corvette will also go back to its roots(somewhat) in producing a sports car for the everyday man.
Look at how bad SRT messed up with the viper, nice cars but priced much to high.
Even at 20k off they are still not moving.
GM isn't going to make the same mistake
That being said... You never know
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12-10-2013, 08:28 PM
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Nonsense. Tadge all-but confirmed there will be a C7 ZR1:
http://jalopnik.com/the-story-behind...cul-1477100607
http://jalopnik.com/the-story-behind...cul-1477100607
I would hardly consider that all but confirm....lol
12-10-2013, 09:37 PM
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Stupid to think there won't be a C7 ZR1. It's going upmarket to completely crush $250k-$400k super cars. I bet it'll cost around $150k and it'll be a bargain for its performance envelope.