Z06 - 620 hp, 650 tq
01-07-2014, 02:41 PM
#44
Le Mans Master
If true, I no longer want a C6 ZR1 but will wait for the 3rd year production of the new Z.
For all those that need it now, get ready for 1st year HUGE gouging on the price.
For all those that need it now, get ready for 1st year HUGE gouging on the price.
01-07-2014, 02:49 PM
#46
Burning Brakes
Honestly... This is a real question, I'm not just trying to stir up trouble.
A very nicely equipped trackpack optioned up Mustang Shelby500 has a rating of 662 hp / 631 lb.-ft. of torque and sells for under $65k . And the GT500 matched Car&Driver's recorded ZR1 Laguna Seca lap time of 1.38.70.
Should GM really try to sell the Z06 for $100k or even close to it? I don't think so. Competition is fierce. Everyone knows how to make power cheap. You gotta prove that extra $35k+ is worth it. (or more like $60k+ if we are talking the ZR1 or New Viper.)
I'm not saying the Mustang (or Camaro??) are world beating super cars.. but they are no joke... and $30-$60k is also no joke. At that price diff its like saying... would you rather have this 600+ HP car? or that 600+ HP car and an ATV, motorcycle, jet-ski, trailer and low mile truck to tow it all with????
A very nicely equipped trackpack optioned up Mustang Shelby500 has a rating of 662 hp / 631 lb.-ft. of torque and sells for under $65k . And the GT500 matched Car&Driver's recorded ZR1 Laguna Seca lap time of 1.38.70.
Should GM really try to sell the Z06 for $100k or even close to it? I don't think so. Competition is fierce. Everyone knows how to make power cheap. You gotta prove that extra $35k+ is worth it. (or more like $60k+ if we are talking the ZR1 or New Viper.)
I'm not saying the Mustang (or Camaro??) are world beating super cars.. but they are no joke... and $30-$60k is also no joke. At that price diff its like saying... would you rather have this 600+ HP car? or that 600+ HP car and an ATV, motorcycle, jet-ski, trailer and low mile truck to tow it all with????
01-07-2014, 02:53 PM
#48
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/17/2...una-seca-beat/
Geoff
01-07-2014, 02:57 PM
#49
Burning Brakes
I know it's from a different magazine, but Motor Trend's Probst was able to get 1.33.70 for the ZR1, which makes more sense:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/17/2...una-seca-beat/
Geoff
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/17/2...una-seca-beat/
Geoff
In a way this just helps prove the point I'm trying to make.
At this power level, it often comes down to the driver.... so that price justification gets sooo hard !!
01-07-2014, 02:58 PM
#50
Le Mans Master
110% agreed. This is the new, smarter, post-bankruptcy GM thats actually profitable again. They arent going to build a car, just to build it and have it sit on dealer lots needing an additional $10-20K in discounts & incentives to sell like the ZR1. The new GM has seen how poorly a $100K+ ZR1, GTR & Viper sell. There just isnt a market for those cars over the $100K mark. These days, if GM is going to build a car it will be because it will sell and make money.
Remember when everyone thought the C7 was going to start at $60K?
Remember when everyone was shocked when GM announced the C7 would start at $52K?
Technically speaking $51K.. with $995 destination fee?
I am going to say the Z06 will be a $25K increase over the base C7. meaning it will start around $76K. From there.. expect a long list of options like a $10K "carbon" upgrade package to include the carbon ceramic rotors from the ZR1 & Z28. I'm also expecting a few surprises on the option sheet.. like the new 8spd automatic & even a convertible option. Checking absolutely everything option.. is the only way the 2015 Z06 will go over the $100K mark.
Remember when everyone thought the C7 was going to start at $60K?
Remember when everyone was shocked when GM announced the C7 would start at $52K?
Technically speaking $51K.. with $995 destination fee?
I am going to say the Z06 will be a $25K increase over the base C7. meaning it will start around $76K. From there.. expect a long list of options like a $10K "carbon" upgrade package to include the carbon ceramic rotors from the ZR1 & Z28. I'm also expecting a few surprises on the option sheet.. like the new 8spd automatic & even a convertible option. Checking absolutely everything option.. is the only way the 2015 Z06 will go over the $100K mark.
Sounds like a reasonable theory. We'll know next Monday at 10 AM what's what.
01-07-2014, 02:59 PM
#51
Burning Brakes
This is where you all join in and say , "Yes... YES! GM you should keep the price of the Z06 very reasonable as so to steal away all the competitions customers!"
01-07-2014, 03:07 PM
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Drifting
01-07-2014, 03:23 PM
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Honestly... This is a real question, I'm not just trying to stir up trouble.
A very nicely equipped trackpack optioned up Mustang Shelby500 has a rating of 662 hp / 631 lb.-ft. of torque and sells for under $65k . And the GT500 matched Car&Driver's recorded ZR1 Laguna Seca lap time of 1.38.70.
A very nicely equipped trackpack optioned up Mustang Shelby500 has a rating of 662 hp / 631 lb.-ft. of torque and sells for under $65k . And the GT500 matched Car&Driver's recorded ZR1 Laguna Seca lap time of 1.38.70.
That further proves the point that the Z06 should cost a lot more than the GT500, which is already at 65K. The Z06 is going to be a world class, segment leading supercar. The GT500 is a pony car, albeit a fantastic one, but still a pony car.
A base Z06 is easily worth 100K but it probably won't start quite that high. Charging premiums for supercars goes beyond adding up the parts. That's why there's supercars with half the performance for twice as much than the Z06. It has to do with image and perception and the C7 has that in spades compared to the C6. Yes, the market for 100K is relatively small but it's still alive and well. The Viper isn't struggling because of it's price; it's because it doesn't appeal to enough people. Audi and Porsche sell R8s and Carreras at a rate the Viper could only hope for, and they cost a lot more. The Z06 is going to address the Viper's faults and it will sell many times over the Viper because of it.
The C6 Z already topped out close to 100K. The C7 Z will go beyond that, especially with more options like a vert, auto, and the new data recorder, etc. We're probably looking at 115K - 120K fully loaded.
01-07-2014, 03:27 PM
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01-07-2014, 03:41 PM
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Anything under $90K starting seems unrealistic to me, maybe $85K if carbon ceramic brakes are optional. I estimate a base price of $94,000 if carbon brakes are standard equipment, and I would think they would be standard with those monstrous HP/Torque figures, especially considering their recent cost reduction and Chevy's liberal use of them. I think it will be considerably less than a ZR1 because the aluminum frame is now used on base models and the base cars/Z51 already have some serious tech in them.
01-07-2014, 04:01 PM
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Read up on the suspension in the new Z28, from Multimatic, it will be very similar....
01-07-2014, 04:31 PM
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No chance at anything under 95K for a base...
What makes anyone think GM is scared to go over 100 on a well equipped model? C6 Z06 got over 100K when optioned out and the ZR1 Base was well over 100.
The C7 options out more than the C6, so there is no reason to expect that GM is going to throw out Z06 that will option for less than the previous gen.
Remember, we are in the age of 75,000K Camaros
What makes anyone think GM is scared to go over 100 on a well equipped model? C6 Z06 got over 100K when optioned out and the ZR1 Base was well over 100.
The C7 options out more than the C6, so there is no reason to expect that GM is going to throw out Z06 that will option for less than the previous gen.
Remember, we are in the age of 75,000K Camaros