'15 Z06 Facts, Per "Hot Rod" Magazine
01-12-2014, 02:59 AM
#21
What high performance sports cars that are meant for heavy duty track use have removable tops? Answer: ZERO
It doesn't matter how rigid the chassis is, introducing a weak point like a sunroof or (gasp) REMOVABLE section of the roof makes the car less rigid than it otherwise would be.
The rumors of automatic transmissions and targa tops makes me wonder what direction GM is really taking with this car....
It doesn't matter how rigid the chassis is, introducing a weak point like a sunroof or (gasp) REMOVABLE section of the roof makes the car less rigid than it otherwise would be.
The rumors of automatic transmissions and targa tops makes me wonder what direction GM is really taking with this car....
01-12-2014, 03:54 AM
#22
Melting Slicks
His point is that it is stiffer with the roof latched in place versus having it removed, no matter how stiff it is in that state.
Targa and auto have me scratching my head too.
Targa and auto have me scratching my head too.
01-12-2014, 04:07 AM
#23
i would absolutely love a targa top if it adds a few lbs in weight i don't care. They'll be a model thats a fixed top im sure for race only enthusiasts.
The auto is for the other 50% of the market that don't want to drive a stick, it might even be more than 50% who knows... Smart move regardless
The auto is for the other 50% of the market that don't want to drive a stick, it might even be more than 50% who knows... Smart move regardless
01-12-2014, 04:12 AM
#24
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For those complaining about the targa, just don't remove it for crying out loud, or have a shop weld it shut so that you won't ever get tempted to remove it.
I welcome the 8 speed auto. While I did enjoy the 7 speed SMG in my BMW M5, it was not ideal around town and you had to shift near redline to get really hard shifts when you were playing around, and then they were almost too brutal. I think the 8 speed auto will combine the best of both worlds except for the most **** purists.
I welcome the 8 speed auto. While I did enjoy the 7 speed SMG in my BMW M5, it was not ideal around town and you had to shift near redline to get really hard shifts when you were playing around, and then they were almost too brutal. I think the 8 speed auto will combine the best of both worlds except for the most **** purists.
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01-12-2014, 04:20 AM
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Le Mans Master
01-12-2014, 05:40 AM
#26
Drifting
What high performance sports cars that are meant for heavy duty track use have removable tops? Answer: ZERO
It doesn't matter how rigid the chassis is, introducing a weak point like a sunroof or (gasp) REMOVABLE section of the roof makes the car less rigid than it otherwise would be.
It doesn't matter how rigid the chassis is, introducing a weak point like a sunroof or (gasp) REMOVABLE section of the roof makes the car less rigid than it otherwise would be.
Also, to address your other point about DCT, it isn't as easy as just sourcing one out of the blue. I do believe there are NO DCT cars out there making 600+ lb ft other then the Veyron(Benz has one with 570lb-ft I think).
Now could they get a modified one made? Maybe, but what cost to GM, and the consumer.
Don't get me wrong, DCT>torque converter for performance. Period. But the torque from the LTx presents a problem.
It's made for a broader market this time. Face facts, that's how you make money. However, the Z07 track pack might be fixed roof you know...
01-12-2014, 08:04 AM
#28
Nice find! Thank you
01-12-2014, 08:11 AM
#29
So 625/635 vs 620/650? Which is it?
01-12-2014, 08:12 AM
#30
Le Mans Master
Ive seen the renderings, read all the leaked info... what I am really wanting to hear is what it will weigh! With the C6Z06 they were bragging about all the weight saves right off the bat even before the car was released. Not this time so far, the hp numbers seem to be the big story.
01-12-2014, 08:30 AM
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01-12-2014, 08:35 AM
#32
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Why? Seriously why?
The ONLY reason the C6 Z06/ZR1 had a fixed roof was because the aluminum chassis was too flexible to risk customers taking the roof panel out!
The C7 vert with the top down is 20% stiffer than the C6 Z06/ZR1 with the roof bolted in! This article shows it's the same with the targa panel.... 20% stiffer top out and 60% with it latched in.
If you don't like the targa panel out don't take it out... don't be a retard beating the "it has to be a fixed roof" drum for no reason. The only reason to fix the roof is to prevent the owner from removing it if it makes the chassis to flexible... that's not an issue here.
The ONLY reason the C6 Z06/ZR1 had a fixed roof was because the aluminum chassis was too flexible to risk customers taking the roof panel out!
The C7 vert with the top down is 20% stiffer than the C6 Z06/ZR1 with the roof bolted in! This article shows it's the same with the targa panel.... 20% stiffer top out and 60% with it latched in.
If you don't like the targa panel out don't take it out... don't be a retard beating the "it has to be a fixed roof" drum for no reason. The only reason to fix the roof is to prevent the owner from removing it if it makes the chassis to flexible... that's not an issue here.
01-12-2014, 08:46 AM
#33
This information has been around for a few days. I wonder if it will have the Magnetic Ride? We haven't heard anything on the suspension set up yet.
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01-12-2014, 08:46 AM
#34
stop whinning for F*** sake, if you don't like the auto get a manual, everything I found on the ZF says that it could shift in 100ms in some of the available platforms today what makes you think this 8l90 isn't even better?
Yes I would love a DCT but I don't think there is an 8speed DCT, the auto would probably have close ratios and still have a proper overdrive for the highway.
Most of the high-end sports cars do NOT rely on the roof anymore for structural rigidity, granted they have carbon tubs, but I think that 60% more rigidity with the roof on vs a C6 Z06 or C7 ZR1 is impressive.
Yes I would love a DCT but I don't think there is an 8speed DCT, the auto would probably have close ratios and still have a proper overdrive for the highway.
Most of the high-end sports cars do NOT rely on the roof anymore for structural rigidity, granted they have carbon tubs, but I think that 60% more rigidity with the roof on vs a C6 Z06 or C7 ZR1 is impressive.
01-12-2014, 08:53 AM
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What high performance sports cars that are meant for heavy duty track use have removable tops? Answer: ZERO
It doesn't matter how rigid the chassis is, introducing a weak point like a sunroof or (gasp) REMOVABLE section of the roof makes the car less rigid than it otherwise would be.
The rumors of automatic transmissions and targa tops makes me wonder what direction GM is really taking with this car....
It doesn't matter how rigid the chassis is, introducing a weak point like a sunroof or (gasp) REMOVABLE section of the roof makes the car less rigid than it otherwise would be.
The rumors of automatic transmissions and targa tops makes me wonder what direction GM is really taking with this car....
01-12-2014, 08:55 AM
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I am really hoping that the Multimatic DSSV shocks are available. Purely my speculation, but if the Hot Road sidebar is accurate in saying that there are three levels of Z06, it may be that the mag shocks are available on one of the levels, DSSV shocks on another, and the carbon/ceramic brakes are also on one of the higher level packages.
01-12-2014, 09:06 AM
#37
Le Mans Master
Real cool! I like what they did to the C7! Even even more news coming soon!
I see the 3 levels a great idea same engine but likely minus track features
which I don't need.
This car will be worth the price tag! Where as the C6ZR1 really wasn't worth the premium over the C6Z06. Not that that it is not a great car
but not worth upping the 40k from the 2008 Z06 79,000 MSRP vs 2009 120,000
MSRP. This has me to wanting change plans for game changing car.
This is the one, with the 8 spd auto will incredibly quick! With good MPG too
Finally I'm going this over the stick I'm just putting a deposit on this now vs buying a C7 now that would lose ground on trading back in less than a year.
Then I would have both of GM"s monster's. One stick one auto.
I see the 3 levels a great idea same engine but likely minus track features
which I don't need.
This car will be worth the price tag! Where as the C6ZR1 really wasn't worth the premium over the C6Z06. Not that that it is not a great car
but not worth upping the 40k from the 2008 Z06 79,000 MSRP vs 2009 120,000
MSRP. This has me to wanting change plans for game changing car.
This is the one, with the 8 spd auto will incredibly quick! With good MPG too
Finally I'm going this over the stick I'm just putting a deposit on this now vs buying a C7 now that would lose ground on trading back in less than a year.
Then I would have both of GM"s monster's. One stick one auto.
Did you take the "I hate C7 posts down yet?, you are not a car enthusiast , it quite funny watching you put your foot in your mouth, so many of your anti C7 posts were deleted, you think people don't remember .
01-12-2014, 09:17 AM
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If this car comes with a torque-converter automatic transmission I will pass on it.
I will accept nothing less than crisp, immediate shifts from paddle inputs. I don't care how good this 8L90E is, if Ferrari, Porsche, Nissan, and others are using DCT, that's where the best technology lies. Using a traditional automatic tells me 3 things:
a) GM's DCT, which they have filed many patents for, is not yet ready.
b) When the DCT is available it is going to make the non-DCT Z06 less valuable, much like the LS2 C6 Corvettes.
c) GM can source a DCT from a handful of suppliers who make DCT transmissions capable of pairing with the LT4 (ZF, Getrag, BorgWarner) but chose not to out of cost considerations.
I don't want a car where important pieces of technology are either omitted due to cost or are implemented half-assed. What a huge, HUGE disappointment if this Hot Rod scoops turns out to be true.
I will accept nothing less than crisp, immediate shifts from paddle inputs. I don't care how good this 8L90E is, if Ferrari, Porsche, Nissan, and others are using DCT, that's where the best technology lies. Using a traditional automatic tells me 3 things:
a) GM's DCT, which they have filed many patents for, is not yet ready.
b) When the DCT is available it is going to make the non-DCT Z06 less valuable, much like the LS2 C6 Corvettes.
c) GM can source a DCT from a handful of suppliers who make DCT transmissions capable of pairing with the LT4 (ZF, Getrag, BorgWarner) but chose not to out of cost considerations.
I don't want a car where important pieces of technology are either omitted due to cost or are implemented half-assed. What a huge, HUGE disappointment if this Hot Rod scoops turns out to be true.
01-12-2014, 09:22 AM
#39
Le Mans Master
You make me laugh, GM should of done this years ago. About 2% of all corvette drivers ever expirience taking these things to the track, or autocross. This is a great idea for all the garage queens and weekend warriors, which consist of 90% of corvette owners.
If you've got ***** enough to track your car simply put the top on, period, end of story.....
If you've got ***** enough to track your car simply put the top on, period, end of story.....
01-12-2014, 09:30 AM
#40
This is just proof there wont be a zr1 or grand sport. Seems like they are trying to please everyone with one car and save money. removable roof version, a fixed roof version, optional automatic etc