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Old 01-13-2014, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Crossofiron
ZR1 never really took off.

No loss.
cept when you race it.
Old 01-13-2014, 01:15 PM
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Also to say the Zr-1 has a major following is silly, the entire production run of C6 corvettes is 215,125 cars, of those 4684 were ZR-1's. That's just 2.17% of every car produced. Sadly this is not a large enough buying force to tilt GM's hand to produce a more expensive variant for the sake of producing a more expensive variant.

I am sure many people are fans of the ZR-1 and many would like to buy one, but the prohibitive cost deterred those folks. The Z06 is also not a huge seller in the grand scheme of things, but it was far more lucrative than the ZR-1 as it made up 13% of total Corvette sales during the life of the C6 platform. So if we do see a ZR-1 it will likely be in an effort to drum up sales for a stagnant platform.
Old 01-13-2014, 02:22 PM
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When it was confirmed that the new Z06 was going to be supercharged and have close to as much power as the outgoing ZR1 I too was worried that there wouldn't be a C7 ZR1.

Which is why I was really happy to hear Tadge say "We always try to take the previous generation's upper performance models and bring that performance down to the next lower model [i.e.: Z06] in the lineup" at 0:21 in this video:


Why would he say "the next lower model" (referring to the current generation) if there was never to be a model above it? Either that was deliberate misleading, which Tadge doesn't seem to do, or essentially a statement that there will be a C7 ZR1.

Now, timing is another story and I don't expect to see one for at least a couple of years, but there is more than light at the end of the tunnel now.

WooHoo!

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Old 01-13-2014, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Supermassive
Also to say the Zr-1 has a major following is silly, the entire production run of C6 corvettes is 215,125 cars, of those 4684 were ZR-1's. That's just 2.17% of every car produced. Sadly this is not a large enough buying force to tilt GM's hand to produce a more expensive variant for the sake of producing a more expensive variant.
I am sure many people are fans of the ZR-1 and many would like to buy one, but the prohibitive cost deterred those folks. The Z06 is also not a huge seller in the grand scheme of things, but it was far more lucrative than the ZR-1 as it made up 13% of total Corvette sales during the life of the C6 platform. So if we do see a ZR-1 it will likely be in an effort to drum up sales for a stagnant platform.
Agreed that the ZR1/Z06 were not huge sellers. But they don't have to be, in order to be profitable. Eg., GM had only to sell 5 CTS-V wagons to make break even on the investment for that particular model. They sold 1200 of them. That's a lot of gravy. With computing power where it is today, compared to a decade ago, a ZR1 could be less costly to bring to market than we might think. As in the C6 generation where the ZR1 already benefitted from the alloy frame of the Z06, the new ZR1 now already has the supercharged engine from which to work. Tuning for more power should be pretty straightforward. There are probably areas that could be lightened with more CF, which has come down drastically in cost in recent years.

I could imagine a limited production run (like GT2 RS or 599 GTO), with more power, less weight, perhaps even upgraded Caravaggio-like interior, etc, to keep the lineup fresh. Hard to believe that GM would have put all of their cards on the table in the first two model years.
Old 01-13-2014, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Supermassive
The ZR-1 was built to drum up hype for the Corvette nameplate when sales were sluggish due to a longer than expected production run of the C6 platform. The GS and the 427 Vert were also stop gaps to help level out sales and generate interest in a tired platform. The C7 may not see a ZR1 or a GS if sales of the Stingray and Z06 meet sales targets each year they are in production. What we will likely see is a bump up in horsepower for the Stingray in the '16 or '17 model year and an added performance package to the Z06 a year later to keep interest in the model. Don't expect a 10 year plus generation this time around, technology is moving faster than ever and GM will need to innovate sooner to maintain a sales edge.
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Old 01-13-2014, 04:04 PM
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The engineer on the C&D video said clearly there was more room for development in HP. Some more trick heads and more boost and your into 700, 800--heck whatever you want.

Also, how cool is it that Chevy builds a cam-in-block motor with DFI, variable valve timing, full computer control, very low weight per HP (likely the best in the world for a street car), brand new supercharger configuration, and super compact external dimensions--something no one else in the world is doing--and wraps it in a package that will eat most cars alive on the race course?

Pretty darn cool....



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