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It's more like .5 seconds in the C7 between M7 and A6. (looking at the C7 fast list) With even more horsepower and torque, and if the A8 is really a huge step up, that gap might be even wider still.
The Auto is a good solid choice if other people are going to be driving your car at some point that don't know how to drive a stick. (and yes there ARE people I trust enough with my babies to let them drive them who aren't me... and without me even being in the car while they drive it!) That's one thing I don't miss about my last manual car, the ability to switch drivers with any of my non gear head friends or girlfriends if need be, on an especially long drive.
Ideally of course you'd have 2... one stick one auto.
You solve it like my friends did. He has a 1967 roadster with a 427 4-speed. She has a 1967 roadster with a 327 automatic. He has(had) a C6 ZR1 with the manual, and she has a C6 GS Callaway SC606 supercharged with an automatic.
But, they are now doing more long distance cruises(2,500+ miles in a week) in the GS instead of the ZR1, so she can do some of the driving, so he traded the ZR1 in on a new Silverado pickup for the farm.
Oh, and when I was clipping along at 145 MPH in my Z06(in Mexico of course), grandma was on right my tail in her automatic convertible.
You solve it like my friends did. He has a 1967 roadster with a 427 4-speed. She has a 1967 roadster with a 327 automatic. He has(had) a C6 ZR1 with the manual, and she has a C6 GS Callaway SC606 supercharged with an automatic.
But, they are now doing more long distance cruises(2,500+ miles in a week) in the GS instead of the ZR1, so she can do some of the driving, so he traded the ZR1 in on a new Silverado pickup for the farm.
Oh, and when I was clipping along at 145 MPH in my Z06(in Mexico of course), grandma was on right my tail in her automatic convertible.
It's always handy to have options.
Do you think the new 8 speed is going to make it's way into pickups? Or be available as a GMPP? (be one hell of an upgrade for my Z28 project car)
It's always handy to have options.
Do you think the new 8 speed is going to make it's way into pickups? Or be available as a GMPP? (be one hell of an upgrade for my Z28 project car)
The new 8 speed was designed primarily for the pickups and will make it way into the Corvette.
From: Greater Detroit Metro MI, when I'm not travelling.
Originally Posted by yell03
I love driving a manual tranny, but let's face it, a manual tranny cannot outperform the new Automatics/paddle shifters that come in Porsches, Ferraris, or even VWs
Of course, these are basically manual trannies without a clutch pedal.
Yes, and that is NOT what is on the C7 Z06. The C7Z transmission has more in common with the auto in a Malibu than it does with the DSG in a VW Golf. That's all. Its a torque converter automatic, not a DSG or a DCT.
Yes, and that is NOT what is on the C7 Z06. The C7Z transmission has more in common with the auto in a Malibu than it does with the DSG in a VW Golf. That's all. Its a torque converter automatic, not a DSG or a DCT.
I think you're delusional if you think this 8 sp Auto isn't going to perform as touted by the engineers. They haven't lied to us yet, and have out performed their projections.
Don't want no stinking automatic in my Z06 no matter how much faster it may be...putting an auto in the Z06 would be like putting a **** on Kate Upton!!...lol
Don't want no stinking automatic in my Z06 no matter how much faster it may be...putting an auto in the Z06 would be like putting a **** on Kate Upton!!...lol
Wait a minute! What's the matter with putting my...
From: Greater Detroit Metro MI, when I'm not travelling.
Originally Posted by skank
I think you're delusional if you think this 8 sp Auto isn't going to perform as touted by the engineers. They haven't lied to us yet, and have out performed their projections.
Delusion: "delusion
A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary."
No, my friend, you are delusional, by the definition of that word, if you think a torque converter transmission is like a DSG or a DTC (seeing as it is NOT an automated manual). GM has stated that the auto can upshift as fast as a Porsche transmission, and that is probably a true statement. It does not say anything for what the shift delay (time between when you command that super fast shift, and when it actually happens), or the downshift, and there I think is where it will disappoint.
Delusion: "delusion
A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary."
No, my friend, you are delusional, by the definition of that word, if you think a torque converter transmission is like a DSG or a DTC (seeing as it is NOT an automated manual). GM has stated that the auto can upshift as fast as a Porsche transmission, and that is probably a true statement. It does not say anything for what the shift delay (time between when you command that super fast shift, and when it actually happens), or the downshift, and there I think is where it will disappoint.
One other key to help minimize drag and mechanical/friction losses for this transmission, which has five clutches and four planetary gearsets, is that only two clutches in any single gear are open at one time. That plays a role in speeding up downshifts, too.
In fact, the 8L90’s controller analyzes and executes commands 160 times per second, and wide-open throttle upshifts are executed up to eight-hundredths of a second quicker than those of the dual-clutch transmission offered in the Porsche 911.
Delusion: "delusion
A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary."
No, my friend, you are delusional, by the definition of that word, if you think a torque converter transmission is like a DSG or a DTC (seeing as it is NOT an automated manual). GM has stated that the auto can upshift as fast as a Porsche transmission, and that is probably a true statement. It does not say anything for what the shift delay (time between when you command that super fast shift, and when it actually happens), or the downshift, and there I think is where it will disappoint.
The 8L90 has a lot more in common with a DSG/DCT than you think...if you would get off your high horse and actually compare the two, you might develop a little respect for the 8L90. BTW, a DSG/DCT is not an automated manual either...in fact, many manufacturers call their DSG/DCT automatics (Porsche included).
I get my fun by going faster, if the 8L90 does it then I'm all in. For those who have fun shifting, go for the manual...I have no intentions of defining how people should derive their pleasure. I really don't understand why there are so many people hell bent on insisting people have to drive a manual because they say so. If they are having so much fun driving a manual, why rent space in your mind worrying about people driving an automatic...relax, live and let live.
The 8L90 has a lot more in common with a DSG/DCT than you think...if you would get off your high horse and actually compare the two, you might develop a little respect for the 8L90. BTW, a DSG/DCT is not an automated manual either...in fact, many manufacturers call their DSG/DCT automatics (Porsche included).
I get my fun by going faster, if the 8L90 does it then I'm all in. For those who have fun shifting, go for the manual...I have no intentions of defining how people should derive their pleasure. I really don't understand why there are so many people hell bent on insisting people have to drive a manual because they say so. If they are having so much fun driving a manual, why rent space in your mind worrying about people driving an automatic...relax, live and let live.
Wow! Just when I get completely bored reading some of the baloney some folks post on this and other forums, the OP comes in and totally messes with my brain!
This post is so accurate and well founded it should become a sticky! glass slipper made more sense in a handful of sentences than I've read for some time!
The 8L90 has a lot more in common with a DSG/DCT than you think...if you would get off your high horse and actually compare the two, you might develop a little respect for the 8L90. BTW, a DSG/DCT is not an automated manual either...in fact, many manufacturers call their DSG/DCT automatics (Porsche included).
I get my fun by going faster, if the 8L90 does it then I'm all in. For those who have fun shifting, go for the manual...I have no intentions of defining how people should derive their pleasure. I really don't understand why there are so many people hell bent on insisting people have to drive a manual because they say so. If they are having so much fun driving a manual, why rent space in your mind worrying about people driving an automatic...relax, live and let live.
Thanks Glass Slipper. Now, I'm no expert here when it comes to automatic transmissions. They're like black boxes to me because my main focus has always been on making more power and chassis's for years, so other than gear spreads and ratios, I haven't dug into the internal workings of automatics. However, over the years I always kept an open mind and was willing to try anything, even if it didn't necessarily coincide with any previous beliefs I may have established. I spent countless hours devoting time to R & D during the off season and even at times while I raced in order to be a couple of steps ahead of the next guy.
The thing here is, nobody has even seen this new 8L90 other than from pictures in articles and press releases let alone run the thing. From what I've read about it so far, the thing is pretty revolutionary. In fact, to the point I'm willing to take a chance with it. When the very first automatic transmission came on the scene, I'm sure there were those skeptics that refused to believe it would work. I've watched automatic transmission technology advance in leaps and bounds over the years. Even the torque converters so many have such little faith in, but to remain closed minded about anything we refuse to acknowledge or believe can work, usually results in leaving the races early on race day.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion on this and we need to learn to respect each others opinions, NOT BELITTLE OR DISRESPECT OTHERS because they don't agree with us.
I keep hearing about this Ranger legend & his driving ability's I wonder how his clutch, transmission & valve spring budget goes. The Zo6 & Zr-1 both have a history of trans problems just driving them normal. From a mechanical stand point an auto is easier on the drive train & on something called a warranty. No one not even he can out shift an auto that would be important to someone like myself who is an old drag racer.Living here in Calif. how much fun is a clutch & in my case being 6'6" with long legs getting stuck in traffic . So from a practical point of view unless your brain is stuck back somewhere in time when there weren't any good automatics it doesn't make much sense to have to deal with a clutch.
I'm glad you are hiding under the chair.
I've never had any drivetrain problems with my manuals, but the autos I owned all had transmission problems at some point. I don't trust autos to last.
Actually, that naked Yellow Z07 that you photographed at the NY show had an auto!
But I have seen it in the Show Yellow car and in some other photos as well.
Here is the spec. sheet...guess it could always change:
No spool valve shocks!? Interesting they didn't go that route since the Z28 is already beating the GTR and 911turboS on the track.
If they were seriously making a stab at The Ring I think we would see different. But, this is still a more cushy racer, and they already let us down on The Ring.
Can lie to us GM!
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