'Ring time incoming!!
07-01-2015, 10:35 AM
#522
Porsche quality is delusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eXUnZrykDY
Not to mention recent gt3 911 fire problems.
I am not saying corvette is better quality but most manufactures have their own problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eXUnZrykDY
Not to mention recent gt3 911 fire problems.
I am not saying corvette is better quality but most manufactures have their own problems.
07-01-2015, 10:43 AM
#523
Le Mans Master
For those of you that don't want to read through 600 posts, let me summarize it for you.
"Z06 is way better than Porsche. Porsche sucks"
"Z06 sucks, Porsche is better"
*lots of butthurt and fighting*
*Still no ring time*
"Z06 is way better than Porsche. Porsche sucks"
"Z06 sucks, Porsche is better"
*lots of butthurt and fighting*
*Still no ring time*
07-01-2015, 11:10 AM
#524
Le Mans Master
07-01-2015, 11:14 AM
#525
07-01-2015, 03:03 PM
#527
Burning Brakes
To re-clarify my post, no I do not agree with him that it is good enough to benchmark an old in-house design from 2005 and supposed halo car that is indisputably a solid performer but dated, brush off the blueprints, do practically nothing to it fundamentally different, give it some faster tires and offer self congratulatory plaudits for what is not yet proved on the track (as the current thread topic demonstrates.)
To the contrary, there's mounting evidence it's unsuitable for track duty. I've believed it all along before Jeremy Clarkson said it, over hyped and not reliable. It's not going to be a success in Europe, which was one of the C7 missions. The Europeans are far more circumspect. The C7 is a domestic triumph of style and marketing in the current economy but an engineering disaster. The C7 Stingray project started with what appeared to be well balanced, modern and updated goals, and they were testing it all over the country in varied (often winter time) conditions. But for the Z06 they jay walked over to the GM performance parts bin. And now there is a cooling problem(s). They thought they could drop in more horsepower and some winglets and flares, but all that airflow that went to making down force somehow forgot that it needs to draw heat away through the exchangers. Acceleration and cornering are good, maybe better but speed on top has been significantly reduced.
All in all, how do you call that a success when the criteria for performance changed but not the amounts, when creatures comforts were enhanced but so was the weight, when reliability has exposed critical vulnerabilities? Meanwhile, the supercar competitors from Nissan, Porsche, Lamborghini, Viper ACR have all advanced their track prowess, and that's why the C7 Z06 is not dominant, and to even have a Ring time would be a whitewashing.
07-01-2015, 04:21 PM
#529
The off-topic distraction and comments directed at me about the Porsche, well you might as well reload and **** the hammer because I drive a ZR1 not a Porsche. Paulchristian's remark (And I like him a lot as a good CF poster) simply reflects a disagreement we have about the success of the C7 Z06.
To re-clarify my post, no I do not agree with him that it is good enough to benchmark an old in-house design from 2005 and supposed halo car that is indisputably a solid performer but dated, brush off the blueprints, do practically nothing to it fundamentally different, give it some faster tires and offer self congratulatory plaudits for what is not yet proved on the track (as the current thread topic demonstrates.)
To the contrary, there's mounting evidence it's unsuitable for track duty. I've believed it all along before Jeremy Clarkson said it, over hyped and not reliable. It's not going to be a success in Europe, which was one of the C7 missions. The Europeans are far more circumspect. The C7 is a domestic triumph of style and marketing in the current economy but an engineering disaster. The C7 Stingray project started with what appeared to be well balanced, modern and updated goals, and they were testing it all over the country in varied (often winter time) conditions. But for the Z06 they jay walked over to the GM performance parts bin. And now there is a cooling problem(s). They thought they could drop in more horsepower and some winglets and flares, but all that airflow that went to making down force somehow forgot that it needs to draw heat away through the exchangers. Acceleration and cornering are good, maybe better but speed on top has been significantly reduced.
All in all, how do you call that a success when the criteria for performance changed but not the amounts, when creatures comforts were enhanced but so was the weight, when reliability has exposed critical vulnerabilities? Meanwhile, the supercar competitors from Nissan, Porsche, Lamborghini, Viper ACR have all advanced their track prowess, and that's why the C7 Z06 is not dominant, and to even have a Ring time would be a whitewashing.
To re-clarify my post, no I do not agree with him that it is good enough to benchmark an old in-house design from 2005 and supposed halo car that is indisputably a solid performer but dated, brush off the blueprints, do practically nothing to it fundamentally different, give it some faster tires and offer self congratulatory plaudits for what is not yet proved on the track (as the current thread topic demonstrates.)
To the contrary, there's mounting evidence it's unsuitable for track duty. I've believed it all along before Jeremy Clarkson said it, over hyped and not reliable. It's not going to be a success in Europe, which was one of the C7 missions. The Europeans are far more circumspect. The C7 is a domestic triumph of style and marketing in the current economy but an engineering disaster. The C7 Stingray project started with what appeared to be well balanced, modern and updated goals, and they were testing it all over the country in varied (often winter time) conditions. But for the Z06 they jay walked over to the GM performance parts bin. And now there is a cooling problem(s). They thought they could drop in more horsepower and some winglets and flares, but all that airflow that went to making down force somehow forgot that it needs to draw heat away through the exchangers. Acceleration and cornering are good, maybe better but speed on top has been significantly reduced.
All in all, how do you call that a success when the criteria for performance changed but not the amounts, when creatures comforts were enhanced but so was the weight, when reliability has exposed critical vulnerabilities? Meanwhile, the supercar competitors from Nissan, Porsche, Lamborghini, Viper ACR have all advanced their track prowess, and that's why the C7 Z06 is not dominant, and to even have a Ring time would be a whitewashing.
07-01-2015, 05:41 PM
#531
Melting Slicks
http://rennlist.com/forums/991/841279-after-4-months-in-the-m4-i-have-decided-to-return-to-the-991-911-a.html
Last edited by TARANTULA; 07-01-2015 at 05:49 PM.
07-01-2015, 08:15 PM
#534
Well I would prefer the 911 over the M as well... But that doesnt mean he didnt have a ton of issues with his first 911. Maybe he hoped it wouldnt happen again.
07-01-2015, 09:04 PM
#535
07-01-2015, 09:34 PM
#536
Drifting
Yea, it does but the Corvette is designed and meant as a high performance car. It's designed around track use even though only a small percentage use it that way. Not to have seen this over heating issue kind of implies what he said, that they took the base model and souped it up in the standard way and didn't really engineer and test their changes. Maybe it was pushed out too soon, manufacturers some times push the schedule for profit motives.
07-01-2015, 10:27 PM
#537
Le Mans Master
Lock lock lock lock. This thread is pointless.
07-01-2015, 10:27 PM
#538
Melting Slicks
Yea, it does but the Corvette is designed and meant as a high performance car. It's designed around track use even though only a small percentage use it that way. Not to have seen this over heating issue kind of implies what he said, that they took the base model and souped it up in the standard way and didn't really engineer and test their changes. Maybe it was pushed out too soon, manufacturers some times push the schedule for profit motives.
Honestly, I kind of expect it along with a chintzy interior.
Though the C7, doesn't have a chintzy interior by any stretch.
07-01-2015, 10:50 PM
#539
The off-topic distraction and comments directed at me about the Porsche, well you might as well reload and **** the hammer because I drive a ZR1 not a Porsche. Paulchristian's remark (And I like him a lot as a good CF poster) simply reflects a disagreement we have about the success of the C7 Z06.
To re-clarify my post, no I do not agree with him that it is good enough to benchmark an old in-house design from 2005 and supposed halo car that is indisputably a solid performer but dated, brush off the blueprints, do practically nothing to it fundamentally different, give it some faster tires and offer self congratulatory plaudits for what is not yet proved on the track (as the current thread topic demonstrates.)
To the contrary, there's mounting evidence it's unsuitable for track duty. I've believed it all along before Jeremy Clarkson said it, over hyped and not reliable. It's not going to be a success in Europe, which was one of the C7 missions. The Europeans are far more circumspect. The C7 is a domestic triumph of style and marketing in the current economy but an engineering disaster. The C7 Stingray project started with what appeared to be well balanced, modern and updated goals, and they were testing it all over the country in varied (often winter time) conditions. But for the Z06 they jay walked over to the GM performance parts bin. And now there is a cooling problem(s). They thought they could drop in more horsepower and some winglets and flares, but all that airflow that went to making down force somehow forgot that it needs to draw heat away through the exchangers. Acceleration and cornering are good, maybe better but speed on top has been significantly reduced.
All in all, how do you call that a success when the criteria for performance changed but not the amounts, when creatures comforts were enhanced but so was the weight, when reliability has exposed critical vulnerabilities? Meanwhile, the supercar competitors from Nissan, Porsche, Lamborghini, Viper ACR have all advanced their track prowess, and that's why the C7 Z06 is not dominant, and to even have a Ring time would be a whitewashing.
To re-clarify my post, no I do not agree with him that it is good enough to benchmark an old in-house design from 2005 and supposed halo car that is indisputably a solid performer but dated, brush off the blueprints, do practically nothing to it fundamentally different, give it some faster tires and offer self congratulatory plaudits for what is not yet proved on the track (as the current thread topic demonstrates.)
To the contrary, there's mounting evidence it's unsuitable for track duty. I've believed it all along before Jeremy Clarkson said it, over hyped and not reliable. It's not going to be a success in Europe, which was one of the C7 missions. The Europeans are far more circumspect. The C7 is a domestic triumph of style and marketing in the current economy but an engineering disaster. The C7 Stingray project started with what appeared to be well balanced, modern and updated goals, and they were testing it all over the country in varied (often winter time) conditions. But for the Z06 they jay walked over to the GM performance parts bin. And now there is a cooling problem(s). They thought they could drop in more horsepower and some winglets and flares, but all that airflow that went to making down force somehow forgot that it needs to draw heat away through the exchangers. Acceleration and cornering are good, maybe better but speed on top has been significantly reduced.
All in all, how do you call that a success when the criteria for performance changed but not the amounts, when creatures comforts were enhanced but so was the weight, when reliability has exposed critical vulnerabilities? Meanwhile, the supercar competitors from Nissan, Porsche, Lamborghini, Viper ACR have all advanced their track prowess, and that's why the C7 Z06 is not dominant, and to even have a Ring time would be a whitewashing.
