2015 C&D Lightning Lap
09-06-2015, 01:25 PM
#181
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He really is a pathetic individual. I've never seen someone consume their time over the course of 3 years posting almost daily negative comments about a vehicle they have absolutely no intention of purchasing. Behavior as such goes beyond simple trolling.. he has some type of mental fascination with berating the C7 both Stingray & Z06.
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09-06-2015, 02:38 PM
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More math
The Z07 beat the Nismo by 4.8 seconds at VIR. C&D driver.
The Nismo, with its best driver puts down a 7:08.68 at the Ring. Assuming Jim can drive the Z07 as well as the Nismo team driver at the Ring, what does the math say? The Ring is 14.2 miles vs. 4.1 miles for VIR.
The Nismo, with its best driver puts down a 7:08.68 at the Ring. Assuming Jim can drive the Z07 as well as the Nismo team driver at the Ring, what does the math say? The Ring is 14.2 miles vs. 4.1 miles for VIR.
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09-06-2015, 02:44 PM
#185
Burning Brakes
The math says under 7 minutes. Given what has happened at VIR, under 7 minutes at the Ring would not be surprising!
09-06-2015, 03:34 PM
#186
For someone who is deeply involved in the performance aspects of Corvettes, I see you make a lot of silly comments like this. It is almost like there are two different people that post with your account.
The VIR lap with the Porsche 918 was driven by an average skilled magazine writer. Not a pro, not a Porsche employee. You simply cannot compare that time with Jim Mero's skill level. Jim is a sensational driver, far above "average". He also happens to have more seat time racing street legal Corvettes than ANY other person on GM's payroll. Fact.
Put a Porsche driver in the 918, and a GM driver in the Z06. Then, and only then, will you see how they actually stack up. It simply isn't logical to claim the car itself is better, when the people behind the steering wheels vary so much in skill level.
I take my stock 2014 Camaro SS 1LE out on track days, and pass ACR's, GT-3s, Z06's, ZR1's and all sorts of stuff that should have no problem beating my Camaro. Does that mean the Camaro is better, or faster than those others? Nope. Same thing here applies.
The VIR lap with the Porsche 918 was driven by an average skilled magazine writer. Not a pro, not a Porsche employee. You simply cannot compare that time with Jim Mero's skill level. Jim is a sensational driver, far above "average". He also happens to have more seat time racing street legal Corvettes than ANY other person on GM's payroll. Fact.
Put a Porsche driver in the 918, and a GM driver in the Z06. Then, and only then, will you see how they actually stack up. It simply isn't logical to claim the car itself is better, when the people behind the steering wheels vary so much in skill level.
I take my stock 2014 Camaro SS 1LE out on track days, and pass ACR's, GT-3s, Z06's, ZR1's and all sorts of stuff that should have no problem beating my Camaro. Does that mean the Camaro is better, or faster than those others? Nope. Same thing here applies.
Bottom line is regardless who was at the wheel the Z06 put down a better time at VIR. Porsche is welcome to best it.
After all that's what the Europeans have told us about their Ring times for years.
And as far as I know there aren't any speed limits being imposed at VIR.
So they can challenge Mero's time anytime they like.
Until then we have to speculate if any of them can actually best the Z06 at VIR. Surely they will but until its done the Z06 is king at VIR.
09-06-2015, 03:38 PM
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I love the Z, but a low 7 minute time is much more realistic than breaking 7 minutes. I think it certainly could with a big wing and a little more power, but totally stock I really don't think it's going to happen even in ideal conditions.
09-06-2015, 04:27 PM
#188
The Lightning Lap Nismo was not the N-Attack version. That version is pretty much a phantom "cheat" model of the Nismo, and I've never heard of any magazine or source actually testing it or it being available to consumers. Nonetheless, it's not the same car.
I love the Z, but a low 7 minute time is much more realistic than breaking 7 minutes. I think it certainly could with a big wing and a little more power, but totally stock I really don't think it's going to happen even in ideal conditions.
I love the Z, but a low 7 minute time is much more realistic than breaking 7 minutes. I think it certainly could with a big wing and a little more power, but totally stock I really don't think it's going to happen even in ideal conditions.
Admittedly with Mero's VIR time I am not sure what to expect now.
This car never ceases to amaze me.
09-06-2015, 05:54 PM
#191
I think it could make 1.5 seconds at vir due to more power and 0 cooling issues, especially if it's in a little bit cooler temperatures. What do you guys think. Can the callaway do it, or will it need a little weight shedding and/or aero upgrades?
09-06-2015, 07:48 PM
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09-06-2015, 08:43 PM
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09-06-2015, 11:01 PM
#195
Melting Slicks
As has been pointed out numerous times, the NISMO that ran the Ring was the N-Spec w/ $80k in mods over the regular NISMO that was run at VIR. Making a comparison of the times is ridiculous.
09-06-2015, 11:47 PM
#196
Drifting
This forum is so freaking frustrating. Why can't we just celebrate what the C7Z did? I'm amazed that even this topic can turn into a bitching session. You guys need to really get over yourselves. Many of you claim to be businessmen and such, but conduct yourselves like children.
Can I get an amen?!
09-07-2015, 12:30 AM
#197
Burning Brakes
Great time by the Z06! Although not the apples to apples you would get with say Pobst driving them all. I'm quite surprised by how weak the GT3 time is. Just not enough power.
I wish the Viper ACR would get out there and set some lap times. Not with some random magazine noob, but with a pro.
I find the trend with auto apologists funny. Like the A8 would be faster. GM must "mistakenly" keep giving the track event's M7 cars. Oh wait, the M7 is the better track car.. 
It's amazing how many people don't realize this. Like random track times posted on the internet all the way from noob magazine drivers up to pro's are all directly equal and comparable. Not to mention the changes in tracks over the years. Context people, context...
I would be surprised if it does it under 7:10. GM not releasing the 'ring/time video only strengthens the weaker time figure, not enhances it.
For someone who is deeply involved in the performance aspects of Corvettes, I see you make a lot of silly comments like this. It is almost like there are two different people that post with your account.
The VIR lap with the Porsche 918 was driven by an average skilled magazine writer. Not a pro, not a Porsche employee. You simply cannot compare that time with Jim Mero's skill level. Jim is a sensational driver, far above "average". He also happens to have more seat time racing street legal Corvettes than ANY other person on GM's payroll. Fact.
Put a Porsche driver in the 918, and a GM driver in the Z06. Then, and only then, will you see how they actually stack up. It simply isn't logical to claim the car itself is better, when the people behind the steering wheels vary so much in skill level.
I take my stock 2014 Camaro SS 1LE out on track days, and pass ACR's, GT-3s, Z06's, ZR1's and all sorts of stuff that should have no problem beating my Camaro. Does that mean the Camaro is better, or faster than those others? Nope. Same thing here applies.
The VIR lap with the Porsche 918 was driven by an average skilled magazine writer. Not a pro, not a Porsche employee. You simply cannot compare that time with Jim Mero's skill level. Jim is a sensational driver, far above "average". He also happens to have more seat time racing street legal Corvettes than ANY other person on GM's payroll. Fact.
Put a Porsche driver in the 918, and a GM driver in the Z06. Then, and only then, will you see how they actually stack up. It simply isn't logical to claim the car itself is better, when the people behind the steering wheels vary so much in skill level.
I take my stock 2014 Camaro SS 1LE out on track days, and pass ACR's, GT-3s, Z06's, ZR1's and all sorts of stuff that should have no problem beating my Camaro. Does that mean the Camaro is better, or faster than those others? Nope. Same thing here applies.
I would be surprised if it does it under 7:10. GM not releasing the 'ring/time video only strengthens the weaker time figure, not enhances it.
09-07-2015, 05:40 AM
#198
Great time by the Z06! Although not the apples to apples you would get with say Pobst driving them all. I'm quite surprised by how weak the GT3 time is. Just not enough power.
I would be surprised if it does it under 7:10. GM not releasing the 'ring/time video only strengthens the weaker time figure, not enhances it.
I would be surprised if it does it under 7:10. GM not releasing the 'ring/time video only strengthens the weaker time figure, not enhances it.
The absence of a Ring time neither strengthens or enhances any time as you suggest. The only thing it can strengthen is speculation.
The absence of data. The absence of proof, has never changed anything and certainly doesn't change the truth.
All it means is there isn't concrete proof so we really don't know.
So it gives hope that it can't or that it can, depending on YOUR wishes.
However the demonstrated VIR times indicate the Z06 MAY be quicker at the Ring than we predicted .
The Viper ACR ran at the Ring. As far as I know they haven't released a time for it yet either? Are we to conclude that it didn't do well because we don't have a time yet?
Of course not. And lets say the ACR posted a phenomenal time (which I know it will.) Would you invalidate its time simply because it wasn't done by the same driver of the 918 or Z06?
Of course you wouldn't.
09-07-2015, 07:39 AM
#199
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I am finding the conspiracy theory with Porsche paying off GM to bury the time quite intriguing. Or is it true that the Ring is banning all manufacturers from posting times now? If so, was it Porsche that demanded this?
Back in the fall of 2014, Tadge said the crash of the the Z at the Ring was felt to be the result of liquid debris on the track. Who was ahead of the Z in that run?? Could it have been a Porsche?? Sabotage????
Mmmmmmm......very interesting to speculate... I see a movie in the making.
Back in the fall of 2014, Tadge said the crash of the the Z at the Ring was felt to be the result of liquid debris on the track. Who was ahead of the Z in that run?? Could it have been a Porsche?? Sabotage????
Mmmmmmm......very interesting to speculate... I see a movie in the making.
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09-07-2015, 07:52 AM
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2015 C&D Lightning Lap
Wouldn't be the first time you were surprised by this Z06 would it?
The absence of a Ring time neither strengthens or enhances any time as you suggest. The only thing it can strengthen is speculation.
The absence of data. The absence of proof, has never changed anything and certainly doesn't change the truth.
All it means is there isn't concrete proof so we really don't know.
So it gives hope that it can't or that it can, depending on YOUR wishes.
However the demonstrated VIR times indicate the Z06 MAY be quicker at the Ring than we predicted .
The Viper ACR ran at the Ring. As far as I know they haven't released a time for it yet either? Are we to conclude that it didn't do well because we don't have a time yet?
Of course not. And lets say the ACR posted a phenomenal time (which I know it will.) Would you invalidate its time simply because it wasn't done by the same driver of the 918 or Z06?
Of course you wouldn't.
The absence of a Ring time neither strengthens or enhances any time as you suggest. The only thing it can strengthen is speculation.
The absence of data. The absence of proof, has never changed anything and certainly doesn't change the truth.
All it means is there isn't concrete proof so we really don't know.
So it gives hope that it can't or that it can, depending on YOUR wishes.
However the demonstrated VIR times indicate the Z06 MAY be quicker at the Ring than we predicted .
The Viper ACR ran at the Ring. As far as I know they haven't released a time for it yet either? Are we to conclude that it didn't do well because we don't have a time yet?
Of course not. And lets say the ACR posted a phenomenal time (which I know it will.) Would you invalidate its time simply because it wasn't done by the same driver of the 918 or Z06?
Of course you wouldn't.