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#41
I understand easily how this can be the case, and we can only hope by now that those issues have been resolved with the work-around on the npp as well as what sounds like a SC bearing failure. Best case scenario for the rest of us is that your Sc was not filled or fully filled with oil. Please don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to make excuses for anyone on either side of the fence. I am often one of the very 1st people to use 1st generation aftermarket stuff and have had my fair share of bad experiences. Problems or not, it could always be worse, I could have gone with Hennessy
Again, I am so sorry to hear of your experience, but my search shows your case to be the exception rather than the rule. My only problem with them thus far is timeline on getting my car. The situation has been explained to me and I understand. I should have my car around this time next week and so far I am still confident that I will have little issue with it, and likely none due to Callaway. Only time will tell, in the meantime I try to keep up on all of the common failures in stock c7 and c7z cars so as to know what to expect and what I should do (if anything) early on to prevent them from happening or reoccurring again. (An SFI approved flywheel with grade 10.9 fasteners for the drive coupling comes to mind for the a8)
Problems related to or caused by Callaway and or their suppliers would in most cases be readily apparent to both myself and my well trained service director who, like myself has extensive experience (hands on) corvettes from the c4 to the present day.
I go back to my early days with factory fuel injection before anyone was burning custom chips and I had to use a micro switch and resistor to make them idle clean and lean with solid aftermarket cam shafts that had no business in such engines at to time (so it was thought).
I hope you continue to enjoy your current car and might I suggest to new 2.3l offering that fits under the stock hood with supporting mods and a tune as soon as your satisfied you won't need a warranty on the power train? I can promise you that these cars put together right are more than anyone could wish for in a street car with A/C, let alone a late model vette with the handling capability and manners it has. Don't give up, simply choose another route and chalk it up to bad luck, experience or both.
John
Again, I am so sorry to hear of your experience, but my search shows your case to be the exception rather than the rule. My only problem with them thus far is timeline on getting my car. The situation has been explained to me and I understand. I should have my car around this time next week and so far I am still confident that I will have little issue with it, and likely none due to Callaway. Only time will tell, in the meantime I try to keep up on all of the common failures in stock c7 and c7z cars so as to know what to expect and what I should do (if anything) early on to prevent them from happening or reoccurring again. (An SFI approved flywheel with grade 10.9 fasteners for the drive coupling comes to mind for the a8)
Problems related to or caused by Callaway and or their suppliers would in most cases be readily apparent to both myself and my well trained service director who, like myself has extensive experience (hands on) corvettes from the c4 to the present day.
I go back to my early days with factory fuel injection before anyone was burning custom chips and I had to use a micro switch and resistor to make them idle clean and lean with solid aftermarket cam shafts that had no business in such engines at to time (so it was thought).
I hope you continue to enjoy your current car and might I suggest to new 2.3l offering that fits under the stock hood with supporting mods and a tune as soon as your satisfied you won't need a warranty on the power train? I can promise you that these cars put together right are more than anyone could wish for in a street car with A/C, let alone a late model vette with the handling capability and manners it has. Don't give up, simply choose another route and chalk it up to bad luck, experience or both.
John
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#42
Interesting thread. Right now I tend to lean towards Callaway due to the relationship with GM and the warranty and my perceived higher resale value. However it appears I need to do some more research on how the warranty process actually would work if there is a major failure.
John: did you get my email?
John: did you get my email?
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Interesting. I can't find the Borla part for a stingray that incorporates the NPP on their site. 11859 was the old part number with NPP and it looks to be discontinued. None of their current offerings work with NPP on a Stingray. Whats the part number... Am I missing something?
#44
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Callaway, would be the best bet since they pick up the warranty.
Lingenfelter, would be a good second choice...
Hennessy, oh hell no. I wouldn't buy a socketwrench from him.
Lingenfelter, would be a good second choice...
Hennessy, oh hell no. I wouldn't buy a socketwrench from him.
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Interesting thread. Right now I tend to lean towards Callaway due to the relationship with GM and the warranty and my perceived higher resale value. However it appears I need to do some more research on how the warranty process actually would work if there is a major failure.
John: did you get my email?
John: did you get my email?
Thank you for your interest in Callaway for your performance needs. We'd be glad to help answer any questions you might have regarding our product, and the way our warranty works. In fact, we've got a section of our website which outlines not only the coverage, but procedures if warranty service is ever needed. Here's the link:
http://www.callawaycars.com/home/car...ranty-program/
In a nutshell, our Powertrain warranty supplements the GM Powertrain Warranty which remains in effect. It's the only warranty of its kind in this business, providing tremendous assurance that if there's an issue, it'll be handled. Drop your car off to the dealer and it's taken care of.
Again, we'd be glad to speak on any questions you might have, and appreciate your interest in Callaway.
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#46
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Absolutely Outstanding!
Thank you for your interest in Callaway for your performance needs. We'd be glad to help answer any questions you might have regarding our product, and the way our warranty works. In fact, we've got a section of our website which outlines not only the coverage, but procedures if warranty service is ever needed. Here's the link:
http://www.callawaycars.com/home/car...ranty-program/
In a nutshell, our Powertrain warranty supplements the GM Powertrain Warranty which remains in effect. It's the only warranty of its kind in this business, providing tremendous assurance that if there's an issue, it'll be handled. Drop your car off to the dealer and it's taken care of.
Again, we'd be glad to speak on any questions you might have, and appreciate your interest in Callaway.
http://www.callawaycars.com/home/car...ranty-program/
In a nutshell, our Powertrain warranty supplements the GM Powertrain Warranty which remains in effect. It's the only warranty of its kind in this business, providing tremendous assurance that if there's an issue, it'll be handled. Drop your car off to the dealer and it's taken care of.
Again, we'd be glad to speak on any questions you might have, and appreciate your interest in Callaway.
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"In honor of jpee"
I can give one reason that I've seen as well on the largest Corvette parts vendor (who also happens to be a CF vendor). Frequently, for whatever reason, applications to cars, parts numbers, etc. just aren't on the site in "the usual places." Borla is an excellent company, as is the other CF vendor, but it just happens. You almost have to know how to search for it on their sites or it doesn't show in the usual drop down menus for year, car, model, etc. I don't know about this model/part number, but I've had it happen at least two to three times before over the years.
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Hang on a minute! Did you actually call Callaway and ask them to supercharge your Z06 or at least hint around at the idea? Hypocrisy at its finest. If you have so much venom against Callaway why in the world would you ever call them?
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#50
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Will give you this you are a hardcore fanboy.. The written warranty from GM is the WOG.. Read it learn it and be informed rather than a salesman's dream..
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1. You've outright lied in this thread.
2. You were extremely condescending to another Callaway owner.
3. After bashing Callaway in public forum, the truth comes out that you called and wanted them to supercharge your Z06. They decline.
4. After being owned, you make threats and have to start calling names.
Interactions like these could almost be scripted they are so predictable.
Remember about 10 posts ago when you said you couldn't comment further? Try being a man of your word for once.
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#53
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" sorry pal, my ball sack has too many internet nutswingers dangling right now and i cant take on another one. take your single post and go back to the corvetteforum where you can discuss the merits of zaino wax and clear bras"
#54
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Rule #1 of internet arguing. When you are getting smoked, resort to name calling to prove a point.
1. You've outright lied in this thread.
2. You were extremely condescending to another Callaway owner.
3. After bashing Callaway in public forum, the truth comes out that you called and wanted them to supercharge your Z06. They decline.
4. After being owned, you make threats and have to start calling names.
Interactions like these could almost be scripted they are so predictable.
Remember about 10 posts ago when you said you couldn't comment further? Try being a man of your word for once.
1. You've outright lied in this thread.
2. You were extremely condescending to another Callaway owner.
3. After bashing Callaway in public forum, the truth comes out that you called and wanted them to supercharge your Z06. They decline.
4. After being owned, you make threats and have to start calling names.
Interactions like these could almost be scripted they are so predictable.
Remember about 10 posts ago when you said you couldn't comment further? Try being a man of your word for once.
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This thread devolved into what Corvette Forum classifies as a "Vendor Dispute" one, which isn't allowed in this section. Zy came in and nuked several of the posts to remove that as opposed to closing and locking the thread. Thus the missing context.
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Rule #1 of internet arguing. When you are getting smoked, resort to name calling to prove a point.
1. You've outright lied in this thread.
2. You were extremely condescending to another Callaway owner.
3. After bashing Callaway in public forum, the truth comes out that you called and wanted them to supercharge your Z06. They decline.
4. After being owned, you make threats and have to start calling names.
Interactions like these could almost be scripted they are so predictable.
Remember about 10 posts ago when you said you couldn't comment further? Try being a man of your word for once.
1. You've outright lied in this thread.
2. You were extremely condescending to another Callaway owner.
3. After bashing Callaway in public forum, the truth comes out that you called and wanted them to supercharge your Z06. They decline.
4. After being owned, you make threats and have to start calling names.
Interactions like these could almost be scripted they are so predictable.
Remember about 10 posts ago when you said you couldn't comment further? Try being a man of your word for once.
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Okay, as one of the people who has owned both Lingenfelter and Callaway cars I can speak to the pleasure of driving both.
I had a '05 Z-51 coupe with a Lingenfelter 403 ci engine that could/would pull a 3-foot oak stump out of the ground with ease. It had an amazing amount of torque and I occasionally proved the point by employing "super CAGS" (the ability to shift from 1st to 6th) with no problems. However, as has been stated earlier, there are two problems with LPE, one being no warranty outside of their shop in Decatur, IN, and two, the inability to add long tube headers to the car. They are a CARB certified manufacturer and cannot, under California law, install headers on a car - however, if the headers are there when the car is sent to them they can re-install the headers and tune the car.
There is another way to get Lingenfelter engines and equipment which is through 21st Century Muscle Cars in Texas. The guy who runs it is the former son-in-law of the original John Lingenfelter and does not have to put up with the CARB requirements. They get the parts at a discount and their installed costs are the same as shipping the car to Indiana.
As for Callaway, I purchased a '11 GS and had it converted to an SC606. It ran smooth as silk but did not feel as if it had as much "off the line grunt" as the Lingenfelter. However, at engine speeds above 2,500 when the supercharge kicked in it was "Whoa, what a ride!"
Now, to the present. I traded the SC606 last month for a new '16 Z06 SC757 that I will get tomorrow at Corvettes at Carlisle. That will be a big step up from a 606 HP/587 lb-ft C6 to a 757 HP/777 lb-ft C7.
Needless to say, I can't wait. . .
And like everyone else around here, I wouldn't trust the third option in the OP's list as far as I could throw the starboard anchor of the USS Nimitz with my teeth.
I had a '05 Z-51 coupe with a Lingenfelter 403 ci engine that could/would pull a 3-foot oak stump out of the ground with ease. It had an amazing amount of torque and I occasionally proved the point by employing "super CAGS" (the ability to shift from 1st to 6th) with no problems. However, as has been stated earlier, there are two problems with LPE, one being no warranty outside of their shop in Decatur, IN, and two, the inability to add long tube headers to the car. They are a CARB certified manufacturer and cannot, under California law, install headers on a car - however, if the headers are there when the car is sent to them they can re-install the headers and tune the car.
There is another way to get Lingenfelter engines and equipment which is through 21st Century Muscle Cars in Texas. The guy who runs it is the former son-in-law of the original John Lingenfelter and does not have to put up with the CARB requirements. They get the parts at a discount and their installed costs are the same as shipping the car to Indiana.
As for Callaway, I purchased a '11 GS and had it converted to an SC606. It ran smooth as silk but did not feel as if it had as much "off the line grunt" as the Lingenfelter. However, at engine speeds above 2,500 when the supercharge kicked in it was "Whoa, what a ride!"
Now, to the present. I traded the SC606 last month for a new '16 Z06 SC757 that I will get tomorrow at Corvettes at Carlisle. That will be a big step up from a 606 HP/587 lb-ft C6 to a 757 HP/777 lb-ft C7.
Needless to say, I can't wait. . .
And like everyone else around here, I wouldn't trust the third option in the OP's list as far as I could throw the starboard anchor of the USS Nimitz with my teeth.
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I have no experience with Callaway.......the only complaint I've ever heard about them is that they're "pricey" - but apparently, you've already found that out !! Lingenfelter's reputation is virtually untarnished as well.
The other.........well......I won't cast aspersions, but I've heard some extremely frightening stories from both Vette and Viper owners !!
Good luck.......and @ $4K (vs. $20K) especially, LPE is well worth looking into !!
Gary
The other.........well......I won't cast aspersions, but I've heard some extremely frightening stories from both Vette and Viper owners !!
Good luck.......and @ $4K (vs. $20K) especially, LPE is well worth looking into !!
Gary
I had a great relationship with 21st Century Musclecars in N. Texas. They did a nice Lingenfelter conversion on my '04 Z06. Top notch company