Does the Nürburgring even matter?
12-25-2015, 11:56 AM
#281
Le Mans Master
This idea doesn't fit the normal GM (or any brand) marketing criteria, and isn't logical. If anything, the Z06 sales have already been such a huge success, the only reason they would not release the time is that is could potentially hurt the successful sales.
This likely means the Z06 lap time did not achieve the result they hoped for, for whatever reason. Or, maybe they did achieve their internal GM goals, but knew the critics and fans would not be pleased with the result. An example would be the C7Z beating the C6Z, which shows it is an improved model. But, not beating the ZR1 - that would call the critics into play. People tend to forget this is just a new Z06, not a new ZR1/Zora (which will happen).
This likely means the Z06 lap time did not achieve the result they hoped for, for whatever reason. Or, maybe they did achieve their internal GM goals, but knew the critics and fans would not be pleased with the result. An example would be the C7Z beating the C6Z, which shows it is an improved model. But, not beating the ZR1 - that would call the critics into play. People tend to forget this is just a new Z06, not a new ZR1/Zora (which will happen).
12-25-2015, 01:18 PM
#282
Melting Slicks
You guys say some amazing crap, to justify your C6s.
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12-25-2015, 02:43 PM
#283
Burning Brakes
There is only 1 FACT with regard to the Ring time...it has yet to be released. Period. All other speculation is just that, speculation. The C7Z haters will come up with negative reasons/excuses, and the lovers will come up with 'positive' or less negative reasons. None of it matters until they release the time.
Gotta admit, the C7Z being faster at GM's home track as well as some other tracks bodes well for it beating the ZR1 ring time...but again, PURE SPECULATION on my part.
I'm in the camp that it likely beat the C6Z and ZR1 time, but perhaps not by as much as they were hoping. But again, who really knows...
Gotta admit, the C7Z being faster at GM's home track as well as some other tracks bodes well for it beating the ZR1 ring time...but again, PURE SPECULATION on my part.
I'm in the camp that it likely beat the C6Z and ZR1 time, but perhaps not by as much as they were hoping. But again, who really knows...
Last edited by ZoratZ06; 12-25-2015 at 02:45 PM.
12-26-2015, 08:00 AM
#284
Pro
I bought a 2016. The transmission wouldn't stay in gear, had an engine noise and check engine light within 400 miles. I took it back. Bought a ZR1. The ZR1 is superior in build quality. Take a look at the plastic radiator and intercooler tank. How about the brake rotors and hood material. Ever notice the so called wide body kit is only black plastic rock guards? The C6 actually has a wide body! C7 Z06 = a cheap attempt of the C6 ZR1. And the bad news is the car is not faster than the ZR1. In fact, on the other end it's slower! But hey! You can live that dream!
And no! I would not publish a track time that I really wonder will approach the C6 Z06 times!
Last edited by JWingo; 12-26-2015 at 08:43 AM.
12-26-2015, 08:38 AM
#285
Le Mans Master
Detroit NAIAS......
Detroit NAIAS......
Detroit NAIAS......
Been sayin it since summer. You use your PR wins to your advantage. If you set a new benchmark for the brand, or for your market sector...you wait until the news can spread the farthest. NAIAS.....NAIAS.....SOOOON.
Detroit NAIAS......
Detroit NAIAS......
Been sayin it since summer. You use your PR wins to your advantage. If you set a new benchmark for the brand, or for your market sector...you wait until the news can spread the farthest. NAIAS.....NAIAS.....SOOOON.
12-26-2015, 08:47 AM
#286
Drifting
Umm. The wide body kit is actually not just the plastic bits. It actually is a wider body.
I am sorry you didn't like your z06. But a whole lot of us love ours. I also like the zr1. But not as much as the z06.
I am sorry you didn't like your z06. But a whole lot of us love ours. I also like the zr1. But not as much as the z06.
Last edited by ElCid79; 12-26-2015 at 08:47 AM.
12-26-2015, 09:11 AM
#287
Pro
I love the C7 Z06! Wish I had a better experience!
12-27-2015, 06:20 PM
#288
Le Mans Master
Detroit NAIAS......
Detroit NAIAS......
Detroit NAIAS......
Been sayin it since summer. You use your PR wins to your advantage. If you set a new benchmark for the brand, or for your market sector...you wait until the news can spread the farthest. NAIAS.....NAIAS.....SOOOON.
Detroit NAIAS......
Detroit NAIAS......
Been sayin it since summer. You use your PR wins to your advantage. If you set a new benchmark for the brand, or for your market sector...you wait until the news can spread the farthest. NAIAS.....NAIAS.....SOOOON.
I doubt it. The C7 Z06 is old news now. I would suspect they will dangle some improvements to the C7 like the DCT at the NAIAS.
12-27-2015, 06:37 PM
#289
Melting Slicks
12-27-2015, 07:00 PM
#290
Le Mans Master
Okaay, I guess your newer!
Secondly, yes given all the things that can go wrong in racing any car it does take a bit of luck to be successful in any such endeavers.
Third, young men are often better because they aren't burdened with negative thoughts, and the kid can drive!!!!
Fourth, go back and check out the ZR1 run overlayed with the Toyota (I forget it thing). At about 4-minutes the ZR1 which was keeping up with that NA Nurburgring prepped car started to fall off losing ~7s ultimately. Based on common knowledge, and Tadges own words, the Z06 will fall off at The Ring. The question is only how much!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 12-27-2015 at 07:00 PM.
12-27-2015, 07:29 PM
#291
Melting Slicks
12-27-2015, 08:03 PM
#292
Le Mans Master
Furthermore and very importantly!
Anyway, what happened with this run proves a whole bunch!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 12-27-2015 at 08:14 PM.
12-27-2015, 08:07 PM
#293
Le Mans Master
This idea doesn't fit the normal GM (or any brand) marketing criteria, and isn't logical. If anything, the Z06 sales have already been such a huge success, the only reason they would not release the time is that is could potentially hurt the successful sales.
This likely means the Z06 lap time did not achieve the result they hoped for, for whatever reason. Or, maybe they did achieve their internal GM goals, but knew the critics and fans would not be pleased with the result. An example would be the C7Z beating the C6Z, which shows it is an improved model. But, not beating the ZR1 - that would call the critics into play. People tend to forget this is just a new Z06, not a new ZR1/Zora (which will happen).
This likely means the Z06 lap time did not achieve the result they hoped for, for whatever reason. Or, maybe they did achieve their internal GM goals, but knew the critics and fans would not be pleased with the result. An example would be the C7Z beating the C6Z, which shows it is an improved model. But, not beating the ZR1 - that would call the critics into play. People tend to forget this is just a new Z06, not a new ZR1/Zora (which will happen).
I think they're purposely holding it to integrate its release with some perks hitting the 2017 models. I guess we will find out soon.
12-28-2015, 12:01 PM
#294
Le Mans Master
You're very point that the Z06 is "old new" is why they held the release of the time, to create a PR resurgence. BMW just announced a 7:27 on their M4 GTS, Z06 is about to follow...you'll see.
Last edited by RC000E; 12-28-2015 at 12:01 PM.
12-28-2015, 12:09 PM
#295
Burning Brakes
Someone should add a poll..."faster, same, slower...faster by a good amount, slower by a good amount, DNF" LOL!!
This is getting silly...294 posts...haters will hate...At some point we'll all find out...
This is getting silly...294 posts...haters will hate...At some point we'll all find out...
12-28-2015, 12:09 PM
#296
The Consigliere
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Actually he's not.
The front fenders - even without the spats - are wider than those on the Stingray.
The consensus seems to be they used the spats to further widen the fenders because to fully widen them would have required a new front fascia, which would have required crash testing, which would have required $$, etc.
I don't know if that is why they used the spats or not (and you'll find, btw, that I'm one of the bigger critics of them in here). But the fact is they did, and the front fenders sans spats are wider than the Stingray's.
The front fenders - even without the spats - are wider than those on the Stingray.
The consensus seems to be they used the spats to further widen the fenders because to fully widen them would have required a new front fascia, which would have required crash testing, which would have required $$, etc.
I don't know if that is why they used the spats or not (and you'll find, btw, that I'm one of the bigger critics of them in here). But the fact is they did, and the front fenders sans spats are wider than the Stingray's.
12-28-2015, 01:25 PM
#297
Le Mans Master
You doubt it, but instead feel they'll announce a DCT. I'm going to venture to say you're off. We'll see who is right soon enough.
You're very point that the Z06 is "old new" is why they held the release of the time, to create a PR resurgence. BMW just announced a 7:27 on their M4 GTS, Z06 is about to follow...you'll see.
You're very point that the Z06 is "old new" is why they held the release of the time, to create a PR resurgence. BMW just announced a 7:27 on their M4 GTS, Z06 is about to follow...you'll see.
12-28-2015, 01:42 PM
#298
Le Mans Master
Outstanding!?
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 12-28-2015 at 01:54 PM.
12-28-2015, 04:08 PM
#299
Le Mans Master
The fact remains we know that it has been confirmed internally the car did beat the ZR1 and did complete a lap, we just don't know the specifics of it. There is PR value in the nurburgring, as there is also substantial investment on GM parts going to the nurburgring, and to dismiss it is foolish. If you KNEW about the future of the lineup, I'd certainly think you'd know specifically the reasoning behind the nurburgring timing.
The time is coming...it's part of a time release to stimulate sales and marketing highlights in a sequence to maintain momentum. International presence in this market simply involves nurburgring. Z06's JUST started becoming available in the UK...you say it's old news...that's old news HERE, not there. NAIAS is INTERNATIONAL, and Nurburgring time is coming to push those sales further.
