View Poll Results: Which one do you think will win R&T's PCOTY?
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Road & Track - Performance Car of the Year... C7 Z is in the lineup
09-22-2015, 11:37 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
You know?
I have been looking more into it and I like it. It's the same weight as the Z06 and 8250NA RPM. I believe Ford saw the niche GM opened up with the SC.
Anyway, for the same reasons the Z28 did well this limited Special Edition should just take off-cool car.
But, it's too hypo to ever be a production car.
Maybe Ford's going to The Ring with this thing. It really seems like more track car than the Stingray!
And
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/wh...-ford-gt-race/
Anyway, for the same reasons the Z28 did well this limited Special Edition should just take off-cool car.
But, it's too hypo to ever be a production car.
Maybe Ford's going to The Ring with this thing. It really seems like more track car than the Stingray!
And
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/wh...-ford-gt-race/
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 09-22-2015 at 11:43 PM.
09-22-2015, 11:51 PM
#43
Scraping the splitter.
I have been looking more into it and I like it. It's the same weight as the Z06 and 8250NA RPM. I believe Ford saw the niche GM opened up with the SC.
Anyway, for the same reasons the Z28 did well this limited Special Edition should just take off-cool car.
But, it's too hypo to ever be a production car.
Maybe Ford's going to The Ring with this thing. It really seems like more track car than the Stingray!
And
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/wh...-ford-gt-race/
Anyway, for the same reasons the Z28 did well this limited Special Edition should just take off-cool car.
But, it's too hypo to ever be a production car.
Maybe Ford's going to The Ring with this thing. It really seems like more track car than the Stingray!
And
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/wh...-ford-gt-race/
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09-22-2015, 11:56 PM
#44
Le Mans Master
I thought I read 3650lb!?
It's not the same weight as a Z06. It's ~125# heavier, and that's a car without the Electronics Package, which adds a number of items back into the car (AC, radio, camera, etc.). That car is probably about 175# heavier. Not a huge difference, but not apples to apples either. The base GT350 pushes 3800#.
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09-23-2015, 12:01 AM
#45
Scraping the splitter.
S.
09-23-2015, 12:04 AM
#46
ACR or 488
09-23-2015, 08:08 AM
#50
Banned Scam/Spammer
Since price is always factored into their decision on these PCOTY competitions you know off the bat it will not be a Ferrari, Bentley, etc. I do not know why they even invite these cars when they know they do not have a chance. For that reason alone it is likely to be the Z06 or GT4. Now if they went strictly off of performance, as the name suggests, it would probably be the ACR.
09-23-2015, 08:15 AM
#51
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
R&T PCOTY criteria also includes performance driveability on the road (public roads).... hence "Road & Track, not Track & Paddock" to quote them from last year. Viper ACS may be numero uno on the track but will be ocho ultimo on the road.
09-23-2015, 01:42 PM
#52
Le Mans Master
Z51 3444 lb!
This base one up Z does have some real good numbers IE Lateral 1.11; and again seems to beat the GT350R
Considering all the work on the GT350R it better be able to beat the Z51 decisively or no way.
That being said I would love to track the GT350R! Cars are getting so good these days! Look at them all is like opening a box of chocolates.
Getting good power under the hood seems to be the only hiccup.
Ask VW (they own Porsche, Lamborgini, and I dare say The Ring. Tell me they aren't capable of a little conspiracy!
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Last edited by johnglenntwo; 09-23-2015 at 02:04 PM.
09-23-2015, 02:55 PM
#53
Scraping the splitter.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html
This base one up Z does have some real good numbers IE Lateral 1.11; and again seems to beat the GT350R
Considering all the work on the GT350R it better be able to beat the Z51 decisively or no way.
That being said I would love to track the GT350R! Cars are getting so good these days! Look at them all is like opening a box of chocolates.
Getting good power under the hood seems to be the only hiccup.
Ask VW (they own Porsche, Lamborgini, and I dare say The Ring. Tell me they aren't capable of a little conspiracy!)
This base one up Z does have some real good numbers IE Lateral 1.11; and again seems to beat the GT350R
Considering all the work on the GT350R it better be able to beat the Z51 decisively or no way.
That being said I would love to track the GT350R! Cars are getting so good these days! Look at them all is like opening a box of chocolates.
Getting good power under the hood seems to be the only hiccup.
Ask VW (they own Porsche, Lamborgini, and I dare say The Ring. Tell me they aren't capable of a little conspiracy!
)I don't think the first place car is necessarily going to be the fastest.
S.
09-23-2015, 03:37 PM
#54
Le Mans Master
I'll vote Z06 but after the glowing reviews I have seen for the GT4 and how it's THE direction Porsche should be going forward, I'd say it's all the GT4's game. Eventhough cars like the ACR and Z06 will outperform the GT4, it's that total package the car has.
As a side note, it almost seems like the next step for Corvette is rear mid engined. They're gonna max out the traditional platform with the C7. All the talk of the Zora, if it actually happens, we all know GM won't waste that R&D money spent. They will take that development and fold it into the C8....which in my prediction will be a rear mid engine layout, if the Zora is the predicted rear mid hyper Vette. This too may be the beginning of a turning point when Porsche lets the rear mid engine platform take command.
The Porsche diehards, much like the Corvette diehards, will revolt. I used to be iffy on the rear mid layout but now I'd very much like to see it happen.
As a side note, it almost seems like the next step for Corvette is rear mid engined. They're gonna max out the traditional platform with the C7. All the talk of the Zora, if it actually happens, we all know GM won't waste that R&D money spent. They will take that development and fold it into the C8....which in my prediction will be a rear mid engine layout, if the Zora is the predicted rear mid hyper Vette. This too may be the beginning of a turning point when Porsche lets the rear mid engine platform take command.
The Porsche diehards, much like the Corvette diehards, will revolt. I used to be iffy on the rear mid layout but now I'd very much like to see it happen.
09-23-2015, 04:03 PM
#55
Burning Brakes
I said Shelby because the car that sells the most stands to reason will sell the most magazines, but I could be wrong about how many they sell maybe the z06 or Cadillac instead.
09-23-2015, 05:13 PM
#59
Safety Car
I'll vote Z06 but after the glowing reviews I have seen for the GT4 and how it's THE direction Porsche should be going forward, I'd say it's all the GT4's game. Eventhough cars like the ACR and Z06 will outperform the GT4, it's that total package the car has.
As a side note, it almost seems like the next step for Corvette is rear mid engined. They're gonna max out the traditional platform with the C7. All the talk of the Zora, if it actually happens, we all know GM won't waste that R&D money spent. They will take that development and fold it into the C8....which in my prediction will be a rear mid engine layout, if the Zora is the predicted rear mid hyper Vette. This too may be the beginning of a turning point when Porsche lets the rear mid engine platform take command.
The Porsche diehards, much like the Corvette diehards, will revolt. I used to be iffy on the rear mid layout but now I'd very much like to see it happen.
As a side note, it almost seems like the next step for Corvette is rear mid engined. They're gonna max out the traditional platform with the C7. All the talk of the Zora, if it actually happens, we all know GM won't waste that R&D money spent. They will take that development and fold it into the C8....which in my prediction will be a rear mid engine layout, if the Zora is the predicted rear mid hyper Vette. This too may be the beginning of a turning point when Porsche lets the rear mid engine platform take command.
The Porsche diehards, much like the Corvette diehards, will revolt. I used to be iffy on the rear mid layout but now I'd very much like to see it happen.
Porsche never in their life made a complete package car. They are the industry standard in charging massive markup for an extra 10 hp. The GT3 is a car that starts as a 4 seater, the seats are yanked out to save weight, but the engine remains pushed towards the back of the car as a result of needing to accomodate 4 seats. It's a terrible compromise, and an all loss proposition in the GT3. Now you are stuck with a small engine compartment over the rear axle. Porsche fixes this problem with a high revving version of the 6 cylinder engine to make high output. Two itterations of this engine now and both exploded. Second, all the weight over the axle is fixed with software, and hardware for rear steering and eLSD. Another terrible way to make up for a design that was compromised for 4 seats to begin with. For good measure, Porshe restricts you to the DCT transmission to get acceptable numbers in the magazines. The GT4 is still clobbered by Porsche to be significantly slower than the GT3. There is no reason you can't fit the 4.0 in the Cayman. There is also no reason you shouldn't be able to get a DCT. Third, there is no reason to not have a wide body cayman to finally get the 4.0 GT3's grip.
The 'Vette is midengine. The LT4 lies entirely behind the front axle. The transmission is in the back and it achieves a balanced 50/50 while proviging you with space for a full size suitcase. That is the full package. FMR is the best layout in my book. Stuffing a tiny engine and transmission behind the seats, running cooling lines for 3 radiators from the front bumper to the rear, and splitting your large suitcase space into two Ikea bags is NOT the full package. It's the half package.
09-23-2015, 05:36 PM
#60
Automatic fail, as in, because there is a more performance oriented GM car in the comparison it makes no sense to include an ATS-V. Nothing to do with the transmission on this one.
What becomes obvious in tests like these is that some cars are , well, "financed" to be in there. Why in the world would you have a Bentley in a performance car comparison? We also see a lot of bread and butter cars for the manufacturers enter comparisons despite not being the best choice.
Or perhaps, that slot used to belong to the M division of BMW. BMW didn't pay anymore...
What becomes obvious in tests like these is that some cars are , well, "financed" to be in there. Why in the world would you have a Bentley in a performance car comparison? We also see a lot of bread and butter cars for the manufacturers enter comparisons despite not being the best choice.
Or perhaps, that slot used to belong to the M division of BMW. BMW didn't pay anymore...
While the C7 Z06 certainly has a much higher performance envelope than the ATS-V, which is almost as good as a C7 Z51, in terms of total driving enjoyment, the ATS-V is supposed to be quite good, so I'd say it still has a shot in that respect, although I expect several other cars in this test will outshine it.
