Z06 motor went kaboom today -:(
10-11-2015, 12:46 PM
#161
10-19-2015, 02:59 PM
#163
if you own a porshe i think theyre is a website for you. Confused why others with other mfg'd cars come here to rant. this is american car and i am an american. Why would i not support american buisness. Buy a porshe if you are in germany it make perfect sense. Support your countrys economy. Otherwise less hate makes better conversations!!!
10-19-2015, 05:05 PM
#164
10-19-2015, 06:42 PM
#166
Le Mans Master
10-19-2015, 06:52 PM
#167
Drifting
Also, Z's are being built at a rate of 1400 a month, or closer to 16,000 in a full model year like 2016
10-22-2015, 07:28 PM
#168
Team Owner
Your reply shows that you don't understand the true scale of the indirect impact of automotive production on the aggregate domestic economy. We aren't just talking about Z's here this is a discussion about the automotive industry as a whole. Each vehicle that is produced with mostly domestic components is going to have a net economic impact of approximately 10 times the value of the vehicle. Even if iphones were "made" in the USA they would be assembled from parts from overseas, because they are mostly made up of cheap, low grade components which this country cannot manufacture at a cost competitive rate. Who would pay $1500 for an iphone? Wait, let me guess - you would right?
Also, Z's are being built at a rate of 1400 a month, or closer to 16,000 in a full model year like 2016
Also, Z's are being built at a rate of 1400 a month, or closer to 16,000 in a full model year like 2016
really nothing in the Corvette compares. The fit and finish build quality and interior is far nicer in the Tacoma. It was less than half of the new Z06. Assembled here in the USA. Very proud of it!
10-23-2015, 06:21 PM
#169
You know, just a few hours ago when actually driving my Z06 with the roof down on a warm sunny day and the exhaust singing in sport mode, which is something you really should try someday, it occurred to me to look for this "orange peel" you speak of.
When sighting very carefully along the hood at a shallow angle in bright light, why yes, there's a bit of a wrinkly appearance. Slightly annoying. Then I downshifted to as many rpms as the break-in limit allowed and listened to the exhaust some more and looked around at all the other drivers locked up in their ordinary non-convertibles and didn't think about orange peel the rest of the day, especially when riding home topless with heated seats (sorry if yours don't work, mine do) on a cool starry evening. It's called "perspective" and maybe even "gratitude" for being so incredibly fortunate that I get to drive a bright red supercar anytime I want.
Come to think of it, neither the guy who hollered "nice car!" as he drove by while I was stopped in the turn lane, nor the young Soldier parked next to me at General Jackson's (they have $10 boonie hats for me and my passengers to ride roof-down without sunburned heads) who said "nice car, sir!" nor the six other young Soldiers who came out of the store and looked closely and with admiring smiles said "nice car, sir!" even though it still had some driveway mud on it, nor the other members of my Corvette club at our weekly get-together who all gathered around delightedly and oohed and ahhed and said "nice car!" said a word about orange peel. That last bunch may be a bit biased, given that at least three of them have C7Z coupes.
So I decline to join your boycott and encourage you to make your highest goal in life something other than criticizing everybody else's mild imperfections. Or you can just keep on missing out while waiting for the new paint shop, which I suspect still won't be up to your standards. I expect my Zora will have pretty good paint someday.
When sighting very carefully along the hood at a shallow angle in bright light, why yes, there's a bit of a wrinkly appearance. Slightly annoying. Then I downshifted to as many rpms as the break-in limit allowed and listened to the exhaust some more and looked around at all the other drivers locked up in their ordinary non-convertibles and didn't think about orange peel the rest of the day, especially when riding home topless with heated seats (sorry if yours don't work, mine do) on a cool starry evening. It's called "perspective" and maybe even "gratitude" for being so incredibly fortunate that I get to drive a bright red supercar anytime I want.
Come to think of it, neither the guy who hollered "nice car!" as he drove by while I was stopped in the turn lane, nor the young Soldier parked next to me at General Jackson's (they have $10 boonie hats for me and my passengers to ride roof-down without sunburned heads) who said "nice car, sir!" nor the six other young Soldiers who came out of the store and looked closely and with admiring smiles said "nice car, sir!" even though it still had some driveway mud on it, nor the other members of my Corvette club at our weekly get-together who all gathered around delightedly and oohed and ahhed and said "nice car!" said a word about orange peel. That last bunch may be a bit biased, given that at least three of them have C7Z coupes.
So I decline to join your boycott and encourage you to make your highest goal in life something other than criticizing everybody else's mild imperfections. Or you can just keep on missing out while waiting for the new paint shop, which I suspect still won't be up to your standards. I expect my Zora will have pretty good paint someday.
Well, I guess, good for you.
10-23-2015, 08:22 PM
#170
I'm glad you brought up "electronics" Compared to my new 2016 Toyota Tacoma. Our GM Corvette's are full of low grade electronics. really nothing in the Corvette compares. The fit and finish build quality and interior is far nicer in the Tacoma. It was less than half of the new Z06. Assembled here in the USA. Very proud of it!
LOL I have had a Tacoma 13 and a 4 Runner 15.
I disagree and also the ticking from the 4 runner is a trip. Great rigs but can't even compare to a vette.
Too much I spit up Coke reading this.
take your vette to a track and see how good the electronics work lol
10-23-2015, 08:50 PM
#171
Yeah I don't follow on this one -- and it goes to show that fit and finish is extremely subjective. Having been in several new Toyota trucks of all trim levels, they aren't anything special, and I would not consider them better than my Z06.
10-23-2015, 08:57 PM
#172
Racer
Took this one after Adams Machine Sealant was put on Saturday and Sunday put Pinnacle carnauba on for protection. The folks at the dealership were not surprised at all when I requested that the car be delivered as is without washing for delivery. Evidently not a uncommon thing to ask.
Look at the peel!!!rrm
10-24-2015, 09:12 AM
#173
Your reply shows that you don't understand the true scale of the indirect impact of automotive production on the aggregate domestic economy. We aren't just talking about Z's here this is a discussion about the automotive industry as a whole. Each vehicle that is produced with mostly domestic components is going to have a net economic impact of approximately 10 times the value of the vehicle. Even if iphones were "made" in the USA they would be assembled from parts from overseas, because they are mostly made up of cheap, low grade components which this country cannot manufacture at a cost competitive rate. Who would pay $1500 for an iphone? Wait, let me guess - you would right?
Also, Z's are being built at a rate of 1400 a month, or closer to 16,000 in a full model year like 2016
Also, Z's are being built at a rate of 1400 a month, or closer to 16,000 in a full model year like 2016
Apple's market cap (as of yesterday)....$679B
Ford + GM's market cap (as of yesterday)....$119.6B
Now I know what you are trying to intimate about the economic effects of the total car industry. But you called out "$100,000" cars...how many cars do GM and Ford make that have a $100,000 price tag?
Trying to change your direction by including the entire car industry's effect on the economy is certainly different than your statement about cars costing $100,000....apples to apples, not oranges.
10-24-2015, 10:03 AM
#175
Drifting
Let's see:
Apple's market cap (as of yesterday)....$679B
Ford + GM's market cap (as of yesterday)....$119.6B
Now I know what you are trying to intimate about the economic effects of the total car industry. But you called out "$100,000" cars...how many cars do GM and Ford make that have a $100,000 price tag?
Trying to change your direction by including the entire car industry's effect on the economy is certainly different than your statement about cars costing $100,000....apples to apples, not oranges.
Apple's market cap (as of yesterday)....$679B
Ford + GM's market cap (as of yesterday)....$119.6B
Now I know what you are trying to intimate about the economic effects of the total car industry. But you called out "$100,000" cars...how many cars do GM and Ford make that have a $100,000 price tag?
Trying to change your direction by including the entire car industry's effect on the economy is certainly different than your statement about cars costing $100,000....apples to apples, not oranges.
10-24-2015, 04:41 PM
#176
You are talking about GM, Ford, and Chrysler concerning domestic manufacturers, and market cap is a function of profits NOT revenue or indirect economic impact. You were the one who singled the discussion out to the Z06 here NOT me - because it has nothing to do with how many of them that GM sells if we are going to have this discussion. Cars in particular have an exponential indirect impact on the domestic economy - versus cheap tech products that use almost no raw materials or energy to produce. You just keep demonstrating more and more how much you fail to understand the real numbers in the discussion. You probably have a Prius for a daily driver like some of the other newbies around here
Put your thinking cap on...I know this will be difficult. But if you want to know about economic impact, take a look at how much revenue the Uber App generates each and every time someone uses it on an iPhone. Oh...we conveniently forget about that little phone and all the eCommerce it generates.
You haven't a clue...and again...you were the one who called out $100,000 cars...not sure what you were driving at but it sure did seem like you were singling out the Z06...at least that was my presumption.
10-24-2015, 07:10 PM
#177
Melting Slicks
Bought a new Porsche last weekend---sorry but the Z06 is not in the same league in anything but sheer performance. People who have ridden in the Z06 always comment later about the squeaks and rattles.
Some who are German car drivers only say "well it is a Chevy" and I have no reply. Chevy is Chevy and that will never change some things they just do not get...
Some who are German car drivers only say "well it is a Chevy" and I have no reply. Chevy is Chevy and that will never change some things they just do not get...
All of this against a $104,000 crossover SUV with a twin turbo 400 HP V6.
Add in folks who seem astounded that a C6 ZR1 and a C7 ZO6 might actually drive momentarily on a public road at 160 MPH and one has to wonder what general silliness is transpiring here?
I've owned a Porsche Turbo, a 911, a Cayenne, a DB9, and 3 Corvettes including a '94 ZR1. I've driven a 458 that an acquaintance sold so that he could buy a C7 ZO7. He and I both believe that the Z is also better than the 458 in terms of "sheer performance." Likewise the same goes for his previous Testarosa and his Maranello.
Now, all of these are wonderful cars in their own way. Some are truly great cars.
But, what possible point is gained by going to each of their respective websites and saying, "Yeah, your sports cars are great, and I even own one myself, but my new SUV is more squeak and rattle free than your sports car and by gosh it's just the best darned car I've ever owned"?
10-24-2015, 09:12 PM
#179
Scraping the splitter.
Only on this forum do we get these types of posts. A C7 ZO6 is only superior to a crossover V6 SUV in terms of sheer performance. From the reviews I've read that "sheer performance" includes braking, steering, turn in, cornering limits, acceleration, etc... I might also point out that the same "sheer performance" exceedences would also pretty much apply apply to the C7 Z51.
S.
