harlold

Well good news is it only took three pages to mention sales numbers.

phantasms

As someone who owned a C5Z, C6Z, and now C7Z. The C5Z was the best balanced and the most fun to toss around. Not that I'd trade my C7Z for a C6Z or C6Z for a C5Z.....but I'd love to see a C8Z more like the C5Z.

Best,
Gene

5thGear

That was funny and random
The whole video was about how great the Z06 is in every aspect (sound, looks, comfort, transmission, power, speed, figure 8....) expect when you are at the limit of track record and how bad the viper is in every aspect accept handling. In the last 5 second of the video they declare the ACR a winner. I said this before, I would buy both but if I have to pick one, it will be Z06.

Deathfly7

So the Z06 is now not a track focused car according to corvetteforums... got it.

dar02081961

No surprise the ACR had a quicker lap time on a closed circuit.
But The ACR didn't come out unscathed as many would have us believe.

5. The ACR was slower 0-60.

6. The ACR was 1 or 2 car lengths behind the Z06 at the end of the 1/4 mile. (though it trapped faster)

7. The Z06 circled the skid pad .3 seconds quicker and .05G harder than the ACR.

8. I didn't hear them say this Z06 had the track alignment and the rough track calibration for the MRC? This matters because well...we have been here before. If the ACR team can adjust the coil overs then certainly the GM guys should be able to adjust the alignment and add the MRC calibration.

9. Randy probably didn't use PTM which has been proven faster around the track than even the best drivers without it.

10. The Z06 is $30K cheaper, actually has AC and a decent sound system.

So for an additional $30K the ACR is slower to 60, a car or 2 behind through the 1/4, and has 10 mph or so less top speed than my removable roof, climate controlled Z06?

The ACR compromises quite a bit for those 3 seconds around the circuit. The ACR is better in some areas, but dominate? Not hardly.

JG853

I understand that, but did you comprehend my point?

Both of the cars (Viper and Z) are nice. We can make a point about the aero as well as suspension on the Viper. But, if the Viper is so good, why are people not out there buying more of them (Regardless of the ACR version - any model Viper)? I like the Dodge Viper and might get a ACR... But you still need to be around (Produced) in order for me to do so. Success on the track should spark success in the marketplace, yet that is not the case here.

soulsea

Did Dodge figure out the reason behind the high rate of Gen V engine failures and resolve it? Also the reason for the unusually high oil consumption?

topspeedPT

GT3RS is 175k+

Garret

I watched this last night and had a good laugh, commentary was funny. I would take either car and really, who cares since 99% of the Z06 owners will never drive on a racetrack much less use the car for what it was designed for Leave the electronic on and that keeps you out of most trouble....

I would take the G Wagon over either of those..... hehehehehe...come on, you know most of you would too....

Snorman

You have almost zero chance of getting one for MSRP. It's virtually impossible. ADM's start in the $75k range.
S.

darylfcf

I wish you could find one for 175k. not gonna happen.

soulsea

An eBay auction I was watching ended this morning and $275k didn't meet reserve.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Porsche-911-GT3-RS-/252232900381?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3aba409f1d%3Ag%3A3yAAAOSwaA5WhUgx&item=252232900381&autorefresh=true&nma=true&si=17LkJv%252BsKw7ZjaxP9bhMe8csVBs%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
So far as I can tell there seems to be a stalemate right now in RS pricing ... dealers/flippers want over $300k for them and buyers are capping out at around $275/280k.

C7_Z06

Don't get me started on the 991 RS... ridiculously marked up. I'd love to have one but no way w/ the crazy ADM's.

SBC_and_a_stick

To get what? A $300,000 Porsche? A Viper with 1300lbs springs?

There are basically two types of production cars that are faster than the C7 Z:
1. million dollar used hypercars.
2. A Viper racecar.

Neither of which are both fun and practical.

soulsea

Well there's also the Mac 650s, which is an awesome car and with the right tires will probably outperform most others on track. I saw a 15 the other day (spider) sell for mid $230s with 500 miles on it. Painful $100k hit for the original owner for only 500 miles of enjoyment, but awesome car value at that price, and it'll run circles around the RS. Plus it's actually civilized enough to drive every day. Not as good performance value as the C7Z (nothing is), but with a nice exhaust upgrade a pretty badass vehicle at that price point.

As far as the ACR ... I have nothing bad to say about that car, I'm even considering purchasing one (in addition to the Z not to replace it). I'm just concerned about the reliability issues they've been having. If I did buy it, it would just go to the track and back on a trailer, that thing looks downright ridiculous on a public road, and not in a good way. I might just wait for a year and scoop a used one up from a C&C enthusiast.

furiousox

While it's awesome the GT3rs was defeated, it did its laptime with like a 150hp deficit

With how uncomfortable the Viper is on the street I would expect it to completely own the c7 z06 on the track...nothing to be ashamed of IMO. I would still take a c7z as it's the better all around car, and sounds miles better, though the Viper is one badass car. We live in a great time to be having these threads debating the king of the hill, which changes every few months it seems

Snorman

I'm not sure that I would necessarily call the ACR uncomfortable on the street. I've driven a Gen V and while its ride is more firm than the Z06, and the exhaust is louder and the cabin is more cramped (to me, anyway) I didn't think it was an uncomfortable car. And as has been mentioned, you can get the ACR in 1-of-1 with the fancy stereo, and with regular sound proofing and carpet and all of those interior accoutrements. Just add the ACR Performance Package and the ACR Interior Package and the CCB's will be added at no extra cost (or stick with the iron brakes).
But the Z06 I think has more bandwidth although it's not as fast on-track. Interior quality is a wash, but Prefix typically does a very nice job of painting the Viper. There is no "right" answer here.
S.

Snorman

I agree, it'll be a great track car as far as performance goes. But right now, I'm watching consumables. I haven't seen anybody go through a set of pads/rotors on one yet but those Kumhos seem to be taking a beating with very low tire wear and I don't think anybody has a tire out there in the ACR sizes yet. But those issues will probably sort out in the next year or so and surely many low mileage creampuffs will be available for somebody who isn't color-picky and just wants to track the living sh*t out of one.
S.

SBC_and_a_stick

We do have the LS time for the MP4, and it was quite slower. I think you are right in that you have to consider a 650s to get the same performance envelope. Still $300,000 new, but yes McLaren sounds better than Porsche for the same money.

NineBall

Results were as expected. Excuses to follow, as expected.

Agreed that the Z06 is a better potential daily driver. But, I don't know anyone personally that buys a $100K sports car to daily drive. Realistically, each of us that owns a car like this, also owns multiple cars. I wouldn't daily drive either car, except maybe on sunny days and when traffic was lighter than normal. You can do that in either car.