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There is probably only one mod needed to beat the acr, in the referenced Motor Trend article you are thinking of the the acr that beat a manual equipped Z06 by 3 seconds if I remember on the track, pick yourself up an Auto equipped Z06 and you will probably beat the acr.
Could you possibly further out of touch? The manual is faster on the track. The A8 gets WARM too quick compared.
TIRES is the first thing then the ACR weighs less and has no heat issue better buy a C6 Z07 and mod it.
Yes Troy, he has bumped me down quite a few events as well as beat a few track records I had for my class.
Damn good driver and good guy!
J.P.
Agreed! You guys will have a blast. My car is getting caged and I have a shock off for refresh and 15 hrs 1 way is something I would have to plan for long in advanced. Ill keep this event on my radar for next year though. Plenty of cars in that group should be running mid-low 2:teens I would think.
Both of these new Extreme ACRs have "drivers"
I don't know the Z07 guys but I would imagine it's going to show a lot about the differences in the cars.
Oh and I will be there in my new Z28 trying to give the ACRs, Z07s, ZR1s, 458s and a herd of P cars some competition.
Dez, you should come up for the event
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ACR better go under 2:20. That would be my objective. I did the SV last year and thought it was pretty well done but can't make it this year.
Or----spend the same money and have the engine built the right way strengthening internal components porting heads adding meth injection conversion to E85, exhaust, headers etc.. Add supplemental cooling for the intercooler and radiator... You will then have a beast to beat the dreaded Dodge...
Or----spend the same money and have the engine built the right way strengthening internal components porting heads adding meth injection conversion to E85, exhaust, headers etc.. Add supplemental cooling for the intercooler and radiator... You will then have a beast to beat the dreaded Dodge...
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Or----spend the same money and have the engine built the right way strengthening internal components porting heads adding meth injection conversion to E85, exhaust, headers etc.. Add supplemental cooling for the intercooler and radiator... You will then have a beast to beat the dreaded Dodge...
Not going to help you get through the turns faster.
As I stated earlier in this thread, a modified C6 Z06 with only ~520 rwhp was faster than the ACR, driven by Chris Winkler, at VIR the same weekend. Just adding extra hp is not going to get it done on the roadcourse.
Not going to help you get through the turns faster.
As I stated earlier in this thread, a modified C6 Z06 with only ~520 rwph was faster than the ACR, driven by Chris Winkler, at VIR the same weekend. Just adding extra hp is not going to get it done on the roadcourse.
It's a good thing with it's short shifting!
Last edited by johnglenntwo; 04-20-2016 at 09:49 AM.
Not going to help you get through the turns faster.
As I stated earlier in this thread, a modified C6 Z06 with only ~520 rwhp was faster than the ACR, driven by Chris Winkler, at VIR the same weekend. Just adding extra hp is not going to get it done on the roadcourse.
Was that C6 Z06 a full weight street car like the ACR and C7 Z07? If it is a lightened (stripped down interior etc), aero'd and slick tired car I am not surprised as the ACR is not that focused at all compared to a car like that. Not apples to apples imho.
These threads are fun but at the end of the day its still about adding significant mods to one car to beat a stock car so not apples to apples. Both excellent choices with one just a bit more focused for tracking stock to stock.
I do believe that adding a comparably well "thought out and tested" aero package with comparable tires will make the Z07 very competitive with the ACR because the Z07 does have the superior shocks. But then to be fair I'd like to add only one mod to the ACR. The Tractive suspension so we can call it even in the suspension department. Add a head to head test of them with same non biased hotshoe and let the chips fall where they may. It would be fun to see the outcome regardless of winner.
Last edited by SnakeBitten; 04-20-2016 at 10:35 AM.
Was that C6 Z06 a full weight street car like the ACR and C7 Z07? If it is a lightened (stripped down interior etc), aero'd and slick tired car I am not surprised as the ACR is not that focused at all compared to a car like that. Not apples to apples imho.
These threads are fun but at the end of the day its still about adding significant mods to one car to beat a stock car so not apples to apples. Both excellent choices with one just a bit more focused for tracking stock to stock.
I do believe that adding a comparably well "thought out and tested" aero package with comparable tires will make the Z07 very competitive with the ACR because the Z07 does have the superior shocks. But then to be fair I'd like to add only one mod to the ACR. The Tractive suspension so we can call it even in the suspension department. Add a head to head test of them with same non biased hotshoe and let the chips fall where they may. It would be fun to see the outcome regardless of winner.
I do not know all the mod details but, the car is still tagged as a street car and was not a full stripped down race car. I does have full aero mods, some weight reduction, and was running A6s (but on stock corvette rims). My point of bring that car up again was that adding hp is not always the answer as it has less hp than the ACR.
Was that C6 Z06 a full weight street car like the ACR and C7 Z07? If it is a lightened (stripped down interior etc), aero'd and slick tired car I am not surprised as the ACR is not that focused at all compared to a car like that. Not apples to apples imho.
These threads are fun but at the end of the day its still about adding significant mods to one car to beat a stock car so not apples to apples. Both excellent choices with one just a bit more focused for tracking stock to stock.
I do believe that adding a comparably well "thought out and tested" aero package with comparable tires will make the Z07 very competitive with the ACR because the Z07 does have the superior shocks. But then to be fair I'd like to add only one mod to the ACR. The Tractive suspension so we can call it even in the suspension department. Add a head to head test of them with same non biased hotshoe and let the chips fall where they may. It would be fun to see the outcome regardless of winner.
Not exactly, its about equiping a car equally to see who'd win If GM had the gall to make a real track Corvette. The Z06/7 is not a track day car. The ACR is. But a few additions could make the Z one as well. Otherwise the TA is more comparable apples to apples to the Z. Not the ACR.
And at the track, no one will care if you show up with an ACR and get dusted and use the "my car is stock" excuse.
The vast majority of Viper street/track guys are notoriously slow anyways. Notice we haven't seen anyone duplicating anywhere near SRT's times. You regularly see Vipers at the track getting passed by miatas, no joke.
Moral of the story is, it doesnt matter what your car can do, it matters what you can do in your car......
I do not know all the mod details but, the car is still tagged as a street car and was not a full stripped down race car. I does have full aero mods, some weight reduction, and was running A6s (but on stock corvette rims). My point of bring that car up again was that adding hp is not always the answer as it has less hp than the ACR.
I gotcha and I agree. More power is not needed. Just a great combo of aero and tires. Case in point before the ACR smashed the Laguna record not many gave it a chance because it is down 300 or so hp to the hypers. Yet with that great combo of aero, tires and suspension it did it. Same old 640hp as the regular vipers.
So it would be absurd to think that a Z06, with properly tested aero and tire mods, would not be competitive with the ACR especially if it can address the cooling issues successfully and get a little lighter imho.
Last edited by SnakeBitten; 04-20-2016 at 12:22 PM.
I do not know all the mod details but, the car is still tagged as a street car and was not a full stripped down race car. I does have full aero mods, some weight reduction, and was running A6s (but on stock corvette rims). My point of bring that car up again was that adding hp is not always the answer as it has less hp than the ACR.
Yeah, but Gil has gutted doors, gutted dash etc. Its not simply a few bolt ons. That being said, take a C6 Z07, bolt some aero on it, tune exhaust, suspension and it would run with most anything.
Yeah, but Gil has gutted doors, gutted dash etc. Its not simply a few bolt ons. That being said, take a C6 Z07, bolt some aero on it, tune exhaust, suspension and it would run with most anything.
I couldn't remember how much he has done to the interior or what his race weight was. You were multiple sec quicker in your 996 from what I remember. What is your race weight?
Was that C6 Z06 a full weight street car like the ACR and C7 Z07? If it is a lightened (stripped down interior etc), aero'd and slick tired car I am not surprised as the ACR is not that focused at all compared to a car like that. Not apples to apples imho.
These threads are fun but at the end of the day its still about adding significant mods to one car to beat a stock car so not apples to apples. Both excellent choices with one just a bit more focused for tracking stock to stock.
I do believe that adding a comparably well "thought out and tested" aero package with comparable tires will make the Z07 very competitive with the ACR because the Z07 does have the superior shocks. But then to be fair I'd like to add only one mod to the ACR. The Tractive suspension so we can call it even in the suspension department. Add a head to head test of them with same non biased hotshoe and let the chips fall where they may. It would be fun to see the outcome regardless of winner.
I honestly think the Bilstein manually adjustable shocks that come on the ACR-E stock are going to be faster in the hands of a pro driver due to the separate adjustment of the compression and rebound. In the hands of a "regular" driver, the electronic shocks might be faster.
Notice that there is no direct comparison of the Tractive system against a stock ACR-E done by anybody yet? I would think if I was selling the Tractive system to Viper owners, I would set up a same day, same car comparison with a pro driver and see what the lap time differences are.
Hopefully something like this will be done soon to prove if there is a competitive advantage of the electronic shocks.....until then, you'd be crazy to give up the Bilstein units.
04-19-2016, 11:46 AM
