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By all means post your before and after "headers & tune" results. As far as wrong info. goes you have your info. and I have mine.
By the way this is not my first "pressurized" street vehicle. I had (just sold) a "street" V6 air conditioned not so light 87 Buick which ran in the 9's last time I had it to a MIR track rental on drag radials and a Zero boost launch on the foot brake. It makes my new car look like a VW.
Here's mine: M7 with halltech and stock tune 603/578 and 593/600. Added TSP 1 7/8" headers and tune and made 621/600 and 625/616. I was hoping for mid 630s hp/tq, but overall I'm happy with it and love the sound.
1) Spinning on second pass, I tried to come out harder.
2) It looks like in this back to back example that a slower by (.05) 60ft. netted approx. a 2 MPH gain in the 1/4 mile. I have seen this many times over the years at the track. No Science Expert here but maintaining a higher "Wheel Speed" may have something to do with it or just maybe a much hotter car was responsible?
3) Running the AFE-1 CAI, with the Gray "low flow" air filter on OEM MPSS tires, 260 lb. driver with some gas in the tank at Capitol Raceway on 93 octane gas "only".
All of this is somewhat true. Are you in Maryland? If so, Capital Raceway is a fast track.
1) Spinning on second pass, I tried to come out harder.
2) It looks like in this back to back example that a slower by (.05) 60ft. netted approx. a 2 MPH gain in the 1/4 mile. I have seen this many times over the years at the track. No Science Expert here but maintaining a higher "Wheel Speed" may have something to do with it or just maybe a much hotter car was responsible?
3) Running the AFE-1 CAI, with the Gray "low flow" air filter on OEM MPSS tires, 260 lb. driver with some gas in the tank at Capitol Raceway on 93 octane gas "only".
Mr. nice guy 3ZO6ZR1, what does this post do for your theory?
Here's mine: M7 with halltech and stock tune 603/578 and 593/600. Added TSP 1 7/8" headers and tune and made 621/600 and 625/616. I was hoping for mid 630s hp/tq, but overall I'm happy with it and love the sound.
Nice post it is good to show more example's of the gains that the small hand full of doubting Charleys on here keep disputing the Halltech when 100's of others love the intake an Still someone keeps putting it on and taking it off and on the car not seeing a obvious difference.
Same way with the headers! They work!
Folks I kinda lost lock on the target.
What are we discussing and what exactly is the point of contention?
looking for quantitative results for the ram air pieces. we have seen the results for the intake, that isnt a question here. what we havent seen are any results except butt dynos that the ram air increases power.
I have the intake....and want to believe the ram air makers a difference, but short of documented results i am not parting with my retirement donut money.
looking for quantitative results for the ram air pieces. we have seen the results for the intake, that isnt a question here. what we havent seen are any results except butt dynos that the ram air increases power.
I have the intake....and want to believe the ram air makers a difference, but short of documented results i am not parting with my retirement donut money.
I think it is really hard to document the results. Esp from track results as there are so many varibles. Some runs you spin a little more than others have wheel hop traction loss etc.
Changes in your 60ft make a HUGE difference between runs let alone figuring out just
how much gained from just this mod. But as Halltech says you can see the old boost gauge is up higher than before and you can feel more power twisting the car.
I think it adds also the nomex feels good as well. All the Halltech stuff is good for your Corvette' performance. IMO!
Much better than no Halltech stuff. The stock car is slower with out for dam sure.
But it is cheap and you get a different filter that does help the intake with the small end cap.
looking for quantitative results for the ram air pieces. we have seen the results for the intake, that isnt a question here. what we havent seen are any results except butt dynos that the ram air increases power.
I have the intake....and want to believe the ram air makers a difference, but short of documented results i am not parting with my retirement donut money.
Thanks.
I don't think you will see any quantifiable data on just the ram air improvement. RAM air benefits for street cars has been argued about since the 60's. Just too many variables to show any absolutes.
However there is a simple way to show if the TRIC improves airflow.
If someone with HP tuner's can log mass air flow in grams per second. You can compare the before and after logs. This will allow you to compare the amount of air reaching the MAF sensor at different car speeds and engine rpms. This wont directly show you how much hp is gained. But it will show you the difference in the amount of air the RAM system is providing versus the system without the TRIC. This will be noticed in boost as well.
Also it will not show the benefit of increased throttle response in everyday driving at speed. One of the benefits of a decent ram air system is when you are at closed throttle or part throttle cruise there is a slight pressure build up at the throttle blade and in the CAI ducting. When you open the throttle the momentary pressure drop in the intake manifold and the CAI ducting isn't as bad so you notice it in throttle response. There is also a small benefit because there isn't as much "pumping loss" from the suction required to pull air through a restrictive filter and replenish ("fill") the vacuum in the ducting created by the sudden opening of the throttle.
So I agree that it will be hard as hell to prove the TRIC alone improves power. But the theory is definitely sound and has been proven to work in many different applications over the years. Whether it's worth the trouble or not is probably up to the individual. After all what are talking here....maybe 5...10 or 15 horsepower?
I learned a long time ago if you are trying to go faster, getting more air to the engine is most always a good thing.
Last edited by dar02081961; 10-06-2016 at 05:40 PM.
Being an engineer....I live by the following saying that I saw above the desk of a Ford Area Paint Manager (customer)...in god we trust...all others bring data...that was more than 35 years ago, but one that I have kept near to my heart.....
Here's mine: M7 with halltech and stock tune 603/578 and 593/600. Added TSP 1 7/8" headers and tune and made 621/600 and 625/616. I was hoping for mid 630s hp/tq, but overall I'm happy with it and love the sound.
Sweet I made 599.6rwhp and 604.4 rwtq today stock with the Halltech
Then ARH 2 inch jethot coated were installed and tomorrow morning
after a good nights sleep and a fresh change of mobil one she will get a fresh tune.
I'm hoping for 635-635 rwhp as well! Plus with the nannies eased she should be much faster! c
I just ordered my intake and TRIC from Halltech. I will be running in the TX Mile in a week and a half so should have some decent comparisons. There are usually bone stock Z's out there as well as modified so will be able to get a good idea if it makes a difference for the mile run. I even thought about making a run without it, and installing it between runs to see if there are any differences on the speed slip. I'll be in a 2017.
I don't think you will see any quantifiable data on just the ram air improvement. RAM air benefits for street cars has been argued about since the 60's. Just too many variables to show any absolutes.
However there is a simple way to show if the TRIC improves airflow.
If someone with HP tuner's can log mass air flow in grams per second. You can compare the before and after logs. This will allow you to compare the amount of air reaching the MAF sensor at different car speeds and engine rpms. This wont directly show you how much hp is gained. But it will show you the difference in the amount of air the RAM system is providing versus the system without the TRIC. This will be noticed in boost as well.
Also it will not show the benefit of increased throttle response in everyday driving at speed. One of the benefits of a decent ram air system is when you are at closed throttle or part throttle cruise there is a slight pressure build up at the throttle blade and in the CAI ducting. When you open the throttle the momentary pressure drop in the intake manifold and the CAI ducting isn't as bad so you notice it in throttle response. There is also a small benefit because there isn't as much "pumping loss" from the suction required to pull air through a restrictive filter and replenish ("fill") the vacuum in the ducting created by the sudden opening of the throttle.
So I agree that it will be hard as hell to prove the TRIC alone improves power. But the theory is definitely sound and has been proven to work in many different applications over the years. Whether it's worth the trouble or not is probably up to the individual. After all what are talking here....maybe 5...10 or 15 horsepower?
I learned a long time ago if you are trying to go faster, getting more air to the engine is most always a good thing.
This is very good info!!
I've got the Halltech and tric ram air, and will do some testing on it...
I just ordered my intake and TRIC from Halltech. I will be running in the TX Mile in a week and a half so should have some decent comparisons. There are usually bone stock Z's out there as well as modified so will be able to get a good idea if it makes a difference for the mile run. I even thought about making a run without it, and installing it between runs to see if there are any differences on the speed slip. I'll be in a 2017.
Comparing your MPH to stock Zs will be a real good comparison, also taking off the tric for a run will also be quite telling...
I don't think you will see any quantifiable data on just the ram air improvement. RAM air benefits for street cars has been argued about since the 60's. Just too many variables to show any absolutes.
However there is a simple way to show if the TRIC improves airflow.
If someone with HP tuner's can log mass air flow in grams per second. You can compare the before and after logs. This will allow you to compare the amount of air reaching the MAF sensor at different car speeds and engine rpms. This wont directly show you how much hp is gained. But it will show you the difference in the amount of air the RAM system is providing versus the system without the TRIC. This will be noticed in boost as well.
Also it will not show the benefit of increased throttle response in everyday driving at speed. One of the benefits of a decent ram air system is when you are at closed throttle or part throttle cruise there is a slight pressure build up at the throttle blade and in the CAI ducting. When you open the throttle the momentary pressure drop in the intake manifold and the CAI ducting isn't as bad so you notice it in throttle response. There is also a small benefit because there isn't as much "pumping loss" from the suction required to pull air through a restrictive filter and replenish ("fill") the vacuum in the ducting created by the sudden opening of the throttle.
So I agree that it will be hard as hell to prove the TRIC alone improves power. But the theory is definitely sound and has been proven to work in many different applications over the years. Whether it's worth the trouble or not is probably up to the individual. After all what are talking here....maybe 5...10 or 15 horsepower?
I learned a long time ago if you are trying to go faster, getting more air to the engine is most always a good thing.
I got the the TRIC about a week or so ago but have been out of town. I will be doing the same kind of thread using HPTuners and my Android/PC apps to get data and post it. Just been on the road for work too much to have enough time to do it right
Just to be clear, we are not going to charge our customers here that have ordered already for these upgrades.
We have approximately 48 orders, with 9 left to fill this week.
We will ship everyone the front plug and rear plate as soon as they are designed and ready to go. i.e. no charge for this upgrade.
If you have any concerns about water, you can run the TRIC, just be aware and use common sense.
This upgrade will give you peace of mind, and most of all allow road racers to remove the rear plate for the track, and still have colder ambient air available to the intake. The Ram Air benefit would likely not be functional with the rear plate removed.
Sorry this has taken so long, but the plant that we use has been super busy. This is what we have come up with. What do you think?
Stainless steel plate.
The Stainless Plates are done and available. Just asking folks that want them to pay shipping only. We'll make the plate and screws available free for those that were on the list.
email debbie@halltechsystems.com with your ship to address and credit card. Shipping will be around $5.80
[QUOTE=Halltech;1593336360]Sorry this has taken so long, but the plant that we use has been super busy. This is what we have come up with. What do you think?
Looks good. I just requested mine. The first day I put the TRIC on it decided to pour so did not get a good test drive in. Looking forward to the plate.
The Stainless Plates are done and available. Just asking folks that want them to pay shipping only. We'll make the plate and screws available free for those that were on the list.
email debbie@halltechsystems.com with your ship to address and credit card. Shipping will be around $5.80
Thanks Jim!! I got the plate back just before Thanksgiving, but then was gone for 8 days having a great time with family.
I cut my TRIC to install the plate (easy to do with a utility knife) and drilled a couple holes, and today went to Home Depot and got a couple speed nut plates and winged bolts.
Here's the TRIC with the plate removed:
And below is with the plate installed:
I plan to install it in the next day or so, and then give it and the Stinger intake a workout at a track event at Daytona Dec 9-11. I think with the two of them I should get a nice power boost - especially at the higher speeds at that track.
BTW - the TRIC blocks air into the right wheel well and may affect the cooling of that brake. However, I've got a 2016, but got the brake cooling ducts that come with a 2017. I think there won't be any interference between them and the TRIC, and they get their air from under the car, so should give good cooling air to that brake even with the TRIC installed and the plate closing the end of it. I'll report after installation how they both fit in that area.
10-06-2016, 10:59 AM
