C7 Z06 vs. C6 Z06
08-07-2016, 07:33 PM
#101
Le Mans Master
Slow down what?
Your such a clown you think this is English class because you have nothing worth while to add to the forum. As Corvette's go. I doubt you even own one.
So you troll through the forum and "try to correct English" on a internet forum.
Maybe staying in moms old house is just getting to you. You revert back to six grade and be a little boy. A little late but you should try getting a life.
Your such a zero Paul.
You will just back with more stupid! It fits on you totally!
Your such a clown you think this is English class because you have nothing worth while to add to the forum. As Corvette's go. I doubt you even own one.
So you troll through the forum and "try to correct English" on a internet forum.
Maybe staying in moms old house is just getting to you. You revert back to six grade and be a little boy. A little late but you should try getting a life.
Your such a zero Paul.
You will just back with more stupid! It fits on you totally!
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08-07-2016, 09:50 PM
#102
Slow down what?
Your such a clown you think this is English class because you have nothing worth while to add to the forum. As Corvette's go. I doubt you even own one.
So you troll through the forum and "try to correct English" on a internet forum.
Maybe staying in moms old house is just getting to you. You revert back to six grade and be a little boy. A little late but you should try getting a life.
You're such a zero Paul.
You will just come back with more stupid! It fits on you totally!
Your such a clown you think this is English class because you have nothing worth while to add to the forum. As Corvette's go. I doubt you even own one.
So you troll through the forum and "try to correct English" on a internet forum.
Maybe staying in moms old house is just getting to you. You revert back to six grade and be a little boy. A little late but you should try getting a life.
You're such a zero Paul.
You will just come back with more stupid! It fits on you totally!
2) Worthwhile (all one word)
Have you learned nothing?
Back on topic. I've got news for you, the C7 ZO6 is not a perfect vehicle. It's not the best thing since Jesus Christ himself, as you would like to describe it. No car is perfect. Anyone who cannot admit a single flaw about their vehicle is simply a fan-boy, and you are the textbook definition of such. If you could remove yourself from your C7 ZO6 euphoria for one second, you'll see that I am actually quite fond of the C7 Z (it's well documented here). The difference is, I can admit when a vehicle is not perfect, even if I own it...something you are incapable of doing. It is obvious every time you post. There is zero objectivity to any of your posts. As such, no serious car guy here takes your sentiments seriously. Fan-boy cheerleaders add nothing to the forum.
The corvette community has such a bad reputation because of people like you.
Last edited by Paulchristian; 08-07-2016 at 09:51 PM.
08-07-2016, 11:02 PM
#103
Race Director
1) You're
2) Worthwhile (all one word)
Have you learned nothing?
Back on topic. I've got news for you, the C7 ZO6 is not a perfect vehicle. It's not the best thing since Jesus Christ himself, as you would like to describe it. No car is perfect. Anyone who cannot admit a single flaw about their vehicle is simply a fan-boy, and you are the textbook definition of such. If you could remove yourself from your C7 ZO6 euphoria for one second, you'll see that I am actually quite fond of the C7 Z (it's well documented here). The difference is, I can admit when a vehicle is not perfect, even if I own it...something you are incapable of doing. It is obvious every time you post. There is zero objectivity to any of your posts. As such, no serious car guy here takes your sentiments seriously. Fan-boy cheerleaders add nothing to the forum.
The corvette community has such a bad reputation because of people like you.
2) Worthwhile (all one word)
Have you learned nothing?
Back on topic. I've got news for you, the C7 ZO6 is not a perfect vehicle. It's not the best thing since Jesus Christ himself, as you would like to describe it. No car is perfect. Anyone who cannot admit a single flaw about their vehicle is simply a fan-boy, and you are the textbook definition of such. If you could remove yourself from your C7 ZO6 euphoria for one second, you'll see that I am actually quite fond of the C7 Z (it's well documented here). The difference is, I can admit when a vehicle is not perfect, even if I own it...something you are incapable of doing. It is obvious every time you post. There is zero objectivity to any of your posts. As such, no serious car guy here takes your sentiments seriously. Fan-boy cheerleaders add nothing to the forum.
The corvette community has such a bad reputation because of people like you.
Even better, you didn't resort to using words like "six(th) grade", clown, little boy, zero, and stupid like he did. Well done.
08-08-2016, 12:24 PM
#104
Scraping the splitter.
Your in denial.
Bill Dearborn responded to both of my threads and owned both a C6 Z06 and C7 Z06. For his C6 Z06 at VIR he said "I would go through just over a half tank in two sessions" and "A lot less than my C7Z". For his C7 he said "At VIR I went through more than a half tank in 19 minutes." Yes, I do have data from a driver running both cars at the same track.
RichieRichZ06 has owned both cars and said of his C7 Z06 "These cars are thirsty pigs. I will easily go through at least 1/2 tank in a 20 minute session with traffic and I've gone through as much as 15 gallons in a 25 minute session without traffic".
You responded to my thread and said, you use somewhere between 10 to 14 for 20 to 25 minutes at the tracks you run at. Yet, many C6 Z06 owners said they use 1/4 tank for a 20 minute session at the tracks they run at. It is a good thing that you bring gas to the track in VP jugs, which saves you lots of money. But we both know most of the people who come to a HPDE event do not do that.
So I stand by what I said about gas usage at the track, "It costs the C7 Z06 owner almost 2X more for a day at the track if the car can run the whole time".
You missed my other point which is related to gas usage at the track, The C7 Z06 is using 71% more gas than the C6 Z06 (C6 Z06 gets 6 mpg and the C7 Z06 gets 3.5 mpg). I am not sure if I can say that translates directly into 71% more heat the cooling system has to dissipate, but I think we all can agree it is substantially more heat that the cooling system has to dissipate. Now it should be painfully obvious why the C7 Z06 has such an overheating problem".
Bill Dearborn responded to both of my threads and owned both a C6 Z06 and C7 Z06. For his C6 Z06 at VIR he said "I would go through just over a half tank in two sessions" and "A lot less than my C7Z". For his C7 he said "At VIR I went through more than a half tank in 19 minutes." Yes, I do have data from a driver running both cars at the same track.
RichieRichZ06 has owned both cars and said of his C7 Z06 "These cars are thirsty pigs. I will easily go through at least 1/2 tank in a 20 minute session with traffic and I've gone through as much as 15 gallons in a 25 minute session without traffic".
You responded to my thread and said, you use somewhere between 10 to 14 for 20 to 25 minutes at the tracks you run at. Yet, many C6 Z06 owners said they use 1/4 tank for a 20 minute session at the tracks they run at. It is a good thing that you bring gas to the track in VP jugs, which saves you lots of money. But we both know most of the people who come to a HPDE event do not do that.
So I stand by what I said about gas usage at the track, "It costs the C7 Z06 owner almost 2X more for a day at the track if the car can run the whole time".
You missed my other point which is related to gas usage at the track, The C7 Z06 is using 71% more gas than the C6 Z06 (C6 Z06 gets 6 mpg and the C7 Z06 gets 3.5 mpg). I am not sure if I can say that translates directly into 71% more heat the cooling system has to dissipate, but I think we all can agree it is substantially more heat that the cooling system has to dissipate. Now it should be painfully obvious why the C7 Z06 has such an overheating problem".
That looks like a really accurate and scientific "analysis" you did there.
Notice I gave you a range that varied by 40% for fuel use and a range for session length that varied by 20%? Do you comprehend what that means?
How much fuel is burned using "at least half a tank" or "just over half a tank" or "1/4" tank? The fact is you don't know what you're talking about and you don't have any real data to support your initial claim (that you've now tried to walk back and claim just represents fuel usage) which was "it cost twice as much to track their C7 Z06" as a C6 Z06.
It's also clear that you've likely never been to an HPDE event. People don't have to bring VP jugs to drive out to a gas station to put gas in their car, which is exactly what I see at Sebring, Daytona, RRR, Road Atlanta, COTA, etc..
Bottom line is that your claim here is completely ignorant and completely unsupported by any real data other than visual estimates of the fuel gauge. It's amazing that you can actually think that you've concluded "C6 Z06 gets 6 mpg and the C7 Z06 gets 3.5 mpg" on-track.
S.
08-08-2016, 02:04 PM
#105
The problem with these "Versus" threads is they always end up as a pi$$ing match.
08-08-2016, 02:10 PM
#106
Scraping the splitter.
What I'm contesting is fabrication and nonsense that is being spouted with no data to support it. That's exactly what grcor did (aside from his laughable comments that C7 buyers made a "mistake" in buying one).
S.
08-08-2016, 02:35 PM
#107
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(that you've now tried to walk back and claim just represents fuel usage) which was "it cost twice as much to track their C7 Z06" as a C6 Z06.
It's also clear that you've likely never been to an HPDE event. People don't have to bring VP jugs to drive out to a gas station to put gas in their car, which is exactly what I see at Sebring, Daytona, RRR, Road Atlanta, COTA, etc..
Bottom line is that your claim here is completely ignorant and completely unsupported by any real data other than visual estimates of the fuel gauge. It's amazing that you can actually think that you've concluded "C6 Z06 gets 6 mpg and the C7 Z06 gets 3.5 mpg" on-track.
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(that you've now tried to walk back and claim just represents fuel usage) which was "it cost twice as much to track their C7 Z06" as a C6 Z06.
It's also clear that you've likely never been to an HPDE event. People don't have to bring VP jugs to drive out to a gas station to put gas in their car, which is exactly what I see at Sebring, Daytona, RRR, Road Atlanta, COTA, etc..
Bottom line is that your claim here is completely ignorant and completely unsupported by any real data other than visual estimates of the fuel gauge. It's amazing that you can actually think that you've concluded "C6 Z06 gets 6 mpg and the C7 Z06 gets 3.5 mpg" on-track.
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You are lucky that the tracks that you go to have gas stations nearby. He in California some of the tracks are in isolated areas where there are no gas station nearby so when you run out we buy at the track.
Funny you keep saying I never been to a HPDE when I seem to know so much about them. If you must know I have been a member of Hooked on Driving for the last 4 years.
08-08-2016, 03:30 PM
#108
Scraping the splitter.
My entire post is about gas usage, why it is so bad on the C7 Z06 and it's effects on the car. You are the one who tried and failed to expand the scope beyond fuel usage.
You are lucky that the tracks that you go to have gas stations nearby. He in California some of the tracks are in isolated areas where there are no gas station nearby so when you run out we buy at the track.
Funny you keep saying I never been to a HPDE when I seem to know so much about them. If you must know I have been a member of Hooked on Driving for the last 4 years.
You are lucky that the tracks that you go to have gas stations nearby. He in California some of the tracks are in isolated areas where there are no gas station nearby so when you run out we buy at the track.
Funny you keep saying I never been to a HPDE when I seem to know so much about them. If you must know I have been a member of Hooked on Driving for the last 4 years.
Again, you have zero supporting data for your claim. Even the beginning of the worthless post that you tried to get people to click on was inaccurate. "20 minutes (27 miles) per session" is not consistent from driver-to-driver and track-to-track and you don't have a single respondent in either thread that gave you distance per session, lol. That's an 81 mph average. Meanwhile, I ran 35 miles in 21 minutes at one track. You don't account for warm up and cool down laps, nor variances in lap pace ("speed" to make it simple for you). I average over 90 mph at Sebring and Roebling and 104-105 at Daytona. So yeah, your data is garbage. You don't have the basics needed to make such a claim. It's actually sort of hilarious.
Post your actual calculations and data to support 3.5 mpg vs. 6 mpg. You won't do it because you don't have it.
S.
08-08-2016, 07:49 PM
#109
I was a NASA member for four years and never ran one of their races. What's your point? And where is your own data on fuel use and why did you have to ask other C6 owners?
Again, you have zero supporting data for your claim. Even the beginning of the worthless post that you tried to get people to click on was inaccurate. "20 minutes (27 miles) per session" is not consistent from driver-to-driver and track-to-track and you don't have a single respondent in either thread that gave you distance per session, lol. That's an 81 mph average. Meanwhile, I ran 35 miles in 21 minutes at one track. You don't account for warm up and cool down laps, nor variances in lap pace ("speed" to make it simple for you). I average over 90 mph at Sebring and Roebling and 104-105 at Daytona.
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Again, you have zero supporting data for your claim. Even the beginning of the worthless post that you tried to get people to click on was inaccurate. "20 minutes (27 miles) per session" is not consistent from driver-to-driver and track-to-track and you don't have a single respondent in either thread that gave you distance per session, lol. That's an 81 mph average. Meanwhile, I ran 35 miles in 21 minutes at one track. You don't account for warm up and cool down laps, nor variances in lap pace ("speed" to make it simple for you). I average over 90 mph at Sebring and Roebling and 104-105 at Daytona.
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Like I said earlier, your in denial. You just can not believe the C6 Z06 is so much more efficient at using fuel, even when owners of both cars have said the C7 Z06 is a "thirsty pig". Let's race each other on the track and we will see who can go further on tank of gas!
08-08-2016, 08:02 PM
#110
Too hopeless trolls who can't afford a C7Z06 and like to hang with the big boys who earn a good living and like to talk about OUR C7 Z06's!
They come in with comments where they read about the C7Z06 and try to imagine owning one.
So since the rent is too high and the C7Z06 won't work in their small budgets they get angry and come here to try to discredit the car they "wish they could own"
Go home you two should go back to the C6 forum.
Your welcome there.
They come in with comments where they read about the C7Z06 and try to imagine owning one.
So since the rent is too high and the C7Z06 won't work in their small budgets they get angry and come here to try to discredit the car they "wish they could own"
Go home you two should go back to the C6 forum.
Your welcome there.
08-08-2016, 09:05 PM
#111
I can confirm, the C7Z uses more fuel at the track than the C6Z did. I didn't do mileage measurements, but there is enough of a difference that it is obvious. That extra power has to come from somewhere, and I am pretty sure that fuel has something to do with it 
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08-08-2016, 09:12 PM
#112
Le Mans Master
FI engines always need to run rich and pull timing to stay together. That's why when in the boost they aren't FE at all.
08-08-2016, 09:30 PM
#113
Scraping the splitter.
Your using an average mph per track, I'm using an average mpg from all the advance/expert responses I received from forum members from the various tracks they run at. It includes warm up and cool down laps.
Like I said earlier, your in denial. You just can not believe the C6 Z06 is so much more efficient at using fuel, even when owners of both cars have said the C7 Z06 is a "thirsty pig". Let's race each other on the track and we will see who can go further on tank of gas!
Like I said earlier, your in denial. You just can not believe the C6 Z06 is so much more efficient at using fuel, even when owners of both cars have said the C7 Z06 is a "thirsty pig". Let's race each other on the track and we will see who can go further on tank of gas!
But you're really not worth the effort. Your problem is that you don't even know what you don't know, so it's a waste of time. You'd actually have to have some firsthand experience to understand. You're relying on garbage data and drawing assumptions as fact.
LMFAO at "race each other on the track".
Spoken like somebody who has never been on a track.S.
08-08-2016, 10:35 PM
#114
Le Mans Master
He should spend his trillions on grammar and spelling lessons instead of way younger girls to hang out with him....creepy.
08-09-2016, 01:26 AM
#115
Team Owner
1) You're
2) Worthwhile (all one word)
Have you learned nothing?
Back on topic. I've got news for you, the C7 ZO6 is not a perfect vehicle. It's not the best thing since Jesus Christ himself, as you would like to describe it. No car is perfect. Anyone who cannot admit a single flaw about their vehicle is simply a fan-boy, and you are the textbook definition of such. If you could remove yourself from your C7 ZO6 euphoria for one second, you'll see that I am actually quite fond of the C7 Z (it's well documented here). The difference is, I can admit when a vehicle is not perfect, even if I own it...something you are incapable of doing. It is obvious every time you post. There is zero objectivity to any of your posts. As such, no serious car guy here takes your sentiments seriously. Fan-boy cheerleaders add nothing to the forum.
The corvette community has such a bad reputation because of people like you.
2) Worthwhile (all one word)
Have you learned nothing?
Back on topic. I've got news for you, the C7 ZO6 is not a perfect vehicle. It's not the best thing since Jesus Christ himself, as you would like to describe it. No car is perfect. Anyone who cannot admit a single flaw about their vehicle is simply a fan-boy, and you are the textbook definition of such. If you could remove yourself from your C7 ZO6 euphoria for one second, you'll see that I am actually quite fond of the C7 Z (it's well documented here). The difference is, I can admit when a vehicle is not perfect, even if I own it...something you are incapable of doing. It is obvious every time you post. There is zero objectivity to any of your posts. As such, no serious car guy here takes your sentiments seriously. Fan-boy cheerleaders add nothing to the forum.
The corvette community has such a bad reputation because of people like you.
I own 6 cars so who is a fan boy?
You bring up grammar? Then reach for other things to cover up the fact you don't even own a Corvette do you? You just troll with no value here along with about 4-5 others who are C7Z06 less as well chiming in!
To all you bums!
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08-09-2016, 10:33 AM
#116
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These threads always get interesting.... Here was my response in a different thread comparing our modded C6Z to our virtually stock C7Z.
We currently have both (well prepped C6Z and a 2015 Z07). The 2015 will be going away later this year to be replaced with another C6Z or C6 ZR1. We've tried to be competitive in the new car, but the weight, reduction in power when hot, consumable cost (it's a heavy pig and goes through front pads like chewing gum) and general feel of the car have us missing the C6 platform.
Overall the C7 is much better than the C6 unless you're planning to use it for a track car. Street car use and day to day driving the car is great and provides a lot of upgrades over the C6, but it just can't hang on the track with a decently prepped C6Z or ZR1, especially after a couple laps in hot weather.
Before people start questioning my track use or my definition of track use, I mean hard competitive laps on track. Most Corvette owners don't track the car hard and even though they think they're fast, they are not. The majority of our C7Z owners are 5-8 seconds per lap slower than I am in the same car on the same track.
I have managed to prolong the car overheating during a session, but there is no denying the lap times fall off significantly from laps 1-2 and laps 5-6 if you're driving the car at it's limit. Even if you drive the car a little different, the performance on a hot day is significantly less than when it's cold outside.
If you're not having temp issues with your C7Z then congrats, but that doesn't mean the car doesn't have issues, it means you're not driving it to the limit.
Wifey wants to be more competitive so I'm not going to argue.
We currently have both (well prepped C6Z and a 2015 Z07). The 2015 will be going away later this year to be replaced with another C6Z or C6 ZR1. We've tried to be competitive in the new car, but the weight, reduction in power when hot, consumable cost (it's a heavy pig and goes through front pads like chewing gum) and general feel of the car have us missing the C6 platform.
Overall the C7 is much better than the C6 unless you're planning to use it for a track car. Street car use and day to day driving the car is great and provides a lot of upgrades over the C6, but it just can't hang on the track with a decently prepped C6Z or ZR1, especially after a couple laps in hot weather.
Before people start questioning my track use or my definition of track use, I mean hard competitive laps on track. Most Corvette owners don't track the car hard and even though they think they're fast, they are not. The majority of our C7Z owners are 5-8 seconds per lap slower than I am in the same car on the same track.
I have managed to prolong the car overheating during a session, but there is no denying the lap times fall off significantly from laps 1-2 and laps 5-6 if you're driving the car at it's limit. Even if you drive the car a little different, the performance on a hot day is significantly less than when it's cold outside.
If you're not having temp issues with your C7Z then congrats, but that doesn't mean the car doesn't have issues, it means you're not driving it to the limit.
Wifey wants to be more competitive so I'm not going to argue.
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08-09-2016, 01:19 PM
#117
These threads always get interesting.... Here was my response in a different thread comparing our modded C6Z to our virtually stock C7Z.
We currently have both (well prepped C6Z and a 2015 Z07). The 2015 will be going away later this year to be replaced with another C6Z or C6 ZR1. We've tried to be competitive in the new car, but the weight, reduction in power when hot, consumable cost (it's a heavy pig and goes through front pads like chewing gum) and general feel of the car have us missing the C6 platform.
Overall the C7 is much better than the C6 unless you're planning to use it for a track car. Street car use and day to day driving the car is great and provides a lot of upgrades over the C6, but it just can't hang on the track with a decently prepped C6Z or ZR1, especially after a couple laps in hot weather.
Before people start questioning my track use or my definition of track use, I mean hard competitive laps on track. Most Corvette owners don't track the car hard and even though they think they're fast, they are not. The majority of our C7Z owners are 5-8 seconds per lap slower than I am in the same car on the same track.
I have managed to prolong the car overheating during a session, but there is no denying the lap times fall off significantly from laps 1-2 and laps 5-6 if you're driving the car at it's limit. Even if you drive the car a little different, the performance on a hot day is significantly less than when it's cold outside.
If you're not having temp issues with your C7Z then congrats, but that doesn't mean the car doesn't have issues, it means you're not driving it to the limit.
Wifey wants to be more competitive so I'm not going to argue.
We currently have both (well prepped C6Z and a 2015 Z07). The 2015 will be going away later this year to be replaced with another C6Z or C6 ZR1. We've tried to be competitive in the new car, but the weight, reduction in power when hot, consumable cost (it's a heavy pig and goes through front pads like chewing gum) and general feel of the car have us missing the C6 platform.
Overall the C7 is much better than the C6 unless you're planning to use it for a track car. Street car use and day to day driving the car is great and provides a lot of upgrades over the C6, but it just can't hang on the track with a decently prepped C6Z or ZR1, especially after a couple laps in hot weather.
Before people start questioning my track use or my definition of track use, I mean hard competitive laps on track. Most Corvette owners don't track the car hard and even though they think they're fast, they are not. The majority of our C7Z owners are 5-8 seconds per lap slower than I am in the same car on the same track.
I have managed to prolong the car overheating during a session, but there is no denying the lap times fall off significantly from laps 1-2 and laps 5-6 if you're driving the car at it's limit. Even if you drive the car a little different, the performance on a hot day is significantly less than when it's cold outside.
If you're not having temp issues with your C7Z then congrats, but that doesn't mean the car doesn't have issues, it means you're not driving it to the limit.
Wifey wants to be more competitive so I'm not going to argue.
08-09-2016, 03:32 PM
#118
Le Mans Master
Never said the Z06 was perfect! You keep up with all the other junk you spew. Who cares! I spend way more on mods and bought several cars and lots of parts from venders more than you ever will chiming in. You are just on the to forum to troll.
I own 6 cars so who is a fan boy?
You bring up grammar? Then reach for other things to cover up the fact you don't even own a Corvette do you? You just troll with no value here along with about 4-5 others who are C7Z06 less as well chiming in! To all you bums!
I own 6 cars so who is a fan boy?
You bring up grammar? Then reach for other things to cover up the fact you don't even own a Corvette do you? You just troll with no value here along with about 4-5 others who are C7Z06 less as well chiming in!
To all you bums!
08-09-2016, 03:50 PM
#119
Team Owner
What a post! You really add a lot to the Corvette forum.
08-09-2016, 03:57 PM
#120
Melting Slicks
