Stage 1 Z06 vs GS Z07
09-19-2016, 09:28 AM
#21
That's your opinion, and that's ok. However it's not mine.
09-19-2016, 09:29 AM
#22
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And the 2017 Z06 with updated cooling has yet to be tested. You do realize that the 2017 Z51 and GS got updated cooling, right? How much road course time have you logged with your GS and/or your last Corvette?
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09-19-2016, 09:34 AM
#23
I said nothing in my comment (you quoted) regarding the Z06. I do hope the new coolers solve the issue. My Corvette was built 9/9/16 it still has not arrived...waiting...waiting...
09-19-2016, 09:37 AM
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09-19-2016, 09:46 AM
#25
^Underdstood, just trying to keep the thread consistent.
09-19-2016, 09:56 AM
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Melting Slicks
With the GS now costing more than discounted Z06's (option for option) and now GS owners wanting to make it 'just as fast as a Z06' while voiding their warranty........why did you buy a GS in the first place?
If you're worried about overheating on a track - Get a Z06 with a manual. Add the auxiliary cooler....done.
If you're worried about overheating on a track - Get a Z06 with a manual. Add the auxiliary cooler....done.
09-19-2016, 11:03 AM
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Thanks, I'm there with you on the NA thing too just don't want the thread to derail with overheating discussion.
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09-19-2016, 11:44 AM
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If you made 650hp NA, it'd overheat. Horsepower makes heat, not forced induction. There's a SLIGHT heat penalty, but you can also argue that a forced induction motor could dump the intercooler heat load outside the engine, so a forced induction motor COULD run cooler than an NA motor.
Ours doesn't do that (I think it might with the Callaway package), so it doesn't count. But don't treat FI like some voodoo heat source, it's not.
I don't want to randomize the thread but we overheat because we have 650hp and too little frontal air inlets, whether you made it with cam and head or a blower.
Ours doesn't do that (I think it might with the Callaway package), so it doesn't count. But don't treat FI like some voodoo heat source, it's not.
I don't want to randomize the thread but we overheat because we have 650hp and too little frontal air inlets, whether you made it with cam and head or a blower.
09-19-2016, 12:04 PM
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I don't believe that someone can comment on how things like weight, gearing, HP, torque, heat, and complexity will affect the C7 driving experience with no seat time in either car. How much time will your GS spend on the road course vs on the street?
09-19-2016, 01:32 PM
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I'm not sure why many don't see how what I proposed as being possible given the '12/13 c6z z07 with 133hp less was 4 seconds faster than the base zr1 with non cup tires on a 12.9 mile course.
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09-19-2016, 01:48 PM
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Here is the problem of using different years of the LL to do lap times comparisons. C&D uses a pool of drivers to do the testing and it is not the same group from year to year. You also need to look at conditions. The year they tested the '12 ZR1 they had rain 3.5 of the 4 days of testing and had trouble getting dry laps. There is no question that the Cup 1s are worth more that 1 sec than the PS2s around VIR. They were worth over 2 sec on Laguna Seca, which is much shorter, with Randy driving both times.
I would say that a Stage 1 Z06 with the same tires (Cup 2s) will be faster than the Z07 GS.
I would say that a Stage 1 Z06 with the same tires (Cup 2s) will be faster than the Z07 GS.
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09-19-2016, 01:59 PM
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09-19-2016, 03:24 PM
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I have driven cars before, hence my opinions.
09-19-2016, 03:26 PM
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It's somewhat the same as the comparison of the Porsche Turbo to a GT3.
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09-19-2016, 03:53 PM
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Both were 3lz models, so similar difference of 100lbs like the GS vs c7z.
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09-19-2016, 04:25 PM
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Driving a completely different car will not provide the necessary experience to comment on the differences between these two particular vehicles. Unfortunately, I think this conversation is once again taking a turn towards magazine racing. I've never driven a Porsche and I'm in no position to comment on a Turbo Porsche vs a Base Porsche.
I'll ask again...how much time will your GS spend on the road course vs on the street?
I'll ask again...how much time will your GS spend on the road course vs on the street?
09-19-2016, 04:27 PM
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While I agree, supercharging in this application is link a heat pump on top of the engine.
If you made 650hp NA, it'd overheat. Horsepower makes heat, not forced induction. There's a SLIGHT heat penalty, but you can also argue that a forced induction motor could dump the intercooler heat load outside the engine, so a forced induction motor COULD run cooler than an NA motor.
Ours doesn't do that (I think it might with the Callaway package), so it doesn't count. But don't treat FI like some voodoo heat source, it's not.
I don't want to randomize the thread but we overheat because we have 650hp and too little frontal air inlets, whether you made it with cam and head or a blower.
Ours doesn't do that (I think it might with the Callaway package), so it doesn't count. But don't treat FI like some voodoo heat source, it's not.
I don't want to randomize the thread but we overheat because we have 650hp and too little frontal air inlets, whether you made it with cam and head or a blower.
09-19-2016, 04:55 PM
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Wow different to lasts year not even photo leaks about the cars participating this year. Is the Z06 in it?
Randy likes the AMG GT a lot is going to be hard to defeat the last year champ.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/merce...-ford-mclaren/
Randy likes the AMG GT a lot is going to be hard to defeat the last year champ.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/merce...-ford-mclaren/
09-19-2016, 05:47 PM
#39
Melting Slicks
It is not, but why does that matter if they are readily available and the same size. I see you want to compare from the factory but the real world is you would get track tires if that was your focus.
09-19-2016, 06:13 PM
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Driving a completely different car will not provide the necessary experience to comment on the differences between these two particular vehicles. Unfortunately, I think this conversation is once again taking a turn towards magazine racing. I've never driven a Porsche and I'm in no position to comment on a Turbo Porsche vs a Base Porsche.
I'll ask again...how much time will your GS spend on the road course vs on the street?
I'll ask again...how much time will your GS spend on the road course vs on the street?
Let it go!