Slow ZO6/ZO7
10-11-2016, 07:01 PM
#21
Melting Slicks
Just post video to demonstrate your perceived issue. Coming on this forum and complaining your Z06 is slow compared to other cars will get you flamed and doesn't provide any information to help assess your concern.
10-11-2016, 07:56 PM
#22
I always love the new Corvette and who does not. When I bought my ZO7 2015 M7 I felt like I will own the track.
The ugly truth is the new ZO6 is slow. Not only in straights but also in high speed corners. I cant go with 911 turbo or C63 AMG Coupe or M5. All the 650 hp are available but the car is not fast.
Its good to have the Corvette but not for race tracks. I am thinking to switch to ACR which is a real track car.
Really not good.
The ugly truth is the new ZO6 is slow. Not only in straights but also in high speed corners. I cant go with 911 turbo or C63 AMG Coupe or M5. All the 650 hp are available but the car is not fast.
Its good to have the Corvette but not for race tracks. I am thinking to switch to ACR which is a real track car.
Really not good.
If you can't hang with a C63 or M5, you're doing something wrong. Those are both pigs!
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10-11-2016, 07:56 PM
#23
Team Owner
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dcourse-2.html
Watch the video in his last posting(and read the last paragraph).
He's not just fast on the straights due to his horsepower, but he's fast in the turns, and without all the high tech doodads and downforce of the C7 Z06.
No long hours in the wind tunnel, no eLSD, no CCB, no magnetic suspension. Just a run of the mill old tech 1998 C5 with old fashioned go fast ideas, but very well implemented, that runs cool.
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10-11-2016, 08:00 PM
#24
For your enjoyment....
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dcourse-2.html
Watch the video in his last posting(and read the last paragraph).
He's not just fast on the straights due to his horsepower, but he's fast in the turns, and without all the high tech and downforce of the C7 Z06.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dcourse-2.html
Watch the video in his last posting(and read the last paragraph).
He's not just fast on the straights due to his horsepower, but he's fast in the turns, and without all the high tech and downforce of the C7 Z06.
Yeah, but that C5 is purple, so doesn't count.
10-11-2016, 08:16 PM
#25
Drifting
For your enjoyment....
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dcourse-2.html
Watch the video in his last posting(and read the last paragraph).
He's not just fast on the straights due to his horsepower, but he's fast in the turns, and without all the high tech and downforce of the C7 Z06.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dcourse-2.html
Watch the video in his last posting(and read the last paragraph).
He's not just fast on the straights due to his horsepower, but he's fast in the turns, and without all the high tech and downforce of the C7 Z06.
Depends on dyno, give or take around 800 RWHP, I was short shifting, due to the tach wire having shorted out. I run a custom ECS kit with a one off oversized air to water aftercooler, with 2 heat exchangers.
Don't get me wrong, I love all corvettes, and currently have a C6 as well with a built motor. I've looked VERY hard at the new Z, and would have probably already have pulled the trigger if not for the fact that some report heat issues. I've spent the last 10 years modifying my C5 to be able to withstand the Socal Heat, and still preform well.
I'm just not ready to do the required modification to a brand new C7 Z06, that some seem to need to do, in order to drive in the hot California climate.
I've worked long and hard on this car, and do drive a bit conservative in order to stay on the track and bring it home in one piece...
Don't get me wrong, I love all corvettes, and currently have a C6 as well with a built motor. I've looked VERY hard at the new Z, and would have probably already have pulled the trigger if not for the fact that some report heat issues. I've spent the last 10 years modifying my C5 to be able to withstand the Socal Heat, and still preform well.
I'm just not ready to do the required modification to a brand new C7 Z06, that some seem to need to do, in order to drive in the hot California climate.
I've worked long and hard on this car, and do drive a bit conservative in order to stay on the track and bring it home in one piece...
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10-11-2016, 08:26 PM
#26
Team Owner
Well, how many million of dollars and how many thousands of hours has GM engineers spent over the last 18 years to make the 2016 C7 an continuously improvement over the 1998 C5?
10-11-2016, 08:37 PM
#27
Burning Brakes
Not that you aren't entitled to your opinions, but they just are typically not relevant to the conversations about the C7. Why not contribute exclusively to the C5 forum?
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10-11-2016, 08:42 PM
#28
Instructor
My take on this thread
#1- Joe is a bad *** driver (wayyyy better then any of you)and he knows it
#2- C7Z is an amatures car compared to Joes C5
#3- gotta love when a guy goes out of his way to come on a thread of C7Z enthusiasts and tells them their cars are not as good as HE thinks they should be.
#4- in the end talking to him and trying to make a point is like arguing over the last bite of PLAY-DO.
#5- watching somebody be 1000x smarter that everybody else is sometimes entertaining. Don't take the bait
#1- Joe is a bad *** driver (wayyyy better then any of you)and he knows it
#2- C7Z is an amatures car compared to Joes C5
#3- gotta love when a guy goes out of his way to come on a thread of C7Z enthusiasts and tells them their cars are not as good as HE thinks they should be.
#4- in the end talking to him and trying to make a point is like arguing over the last bite of PLAY-DO.
#5- watching somebody be 1000x smarter that everybody else is sometimes entertaining. Don't take the bait
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10-11-2016, 08:44 PM
#29
You will find it much easier to just put old joe on your ignore list like many of us in the forum have done. I am willing to take the risk that I might miss something useful via the ignore function but as a risk manager I feel that risk to be acceptably low.
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10-11-2016, 08:55 PM
#30
Originally Posted by sagrea
I always love the new Corvette and who does not. When I bought my ZO7 2015 M7 I felt like I will own the track.
The ugly truth is the new ZO6 is slow. Not only in straights but also in high speed corners. I cant go with 911 turbo or C63 AMG Coupe or M5. All the 650 hp are available but the car is not fast.
Its good to have the Corvette but not for race tracks. I am thinking to switch to ACR which is a real track car.
Really not good.
The ugly truth is the new ZO6 is slow. Not only in straights but also in high speed corners. I cant go with 911 turbo or C63 AMG Coupe or M5. All the 650 hp are available but the car is not fast.
Its good to have the Corvette but not for race tracks. I am thinking to switch to ACR which is a real track car.
Really not good.
10-11-2016, 09:32 PM
#31
Melting Slicks
Not every C7 Z06 is the fastest car alive.
https://youtu.be/v_-0AZOt_78
Sure, this particular C5 has a built engine and a supercharger, but look at the lack of aero garbage compared to the C7 Z06 behind it with all it's "track ready" stage three aero, plus it's not straight off the showroom floor(look at the wheels/tires, tow hook, etc).
The lowly C5 with just an ultra small rear spoiler for downforce is leaving the C7 Z06 behind, once they get some heat in the tires and clear the traffic on the track.
And the top speeds were not that high(140-142). It would have been worse if it was a higher speed track where the speeds would have been over 155.
https://youtu.be/v_-0AZOt_78
Sure, this particular C5 has a built engine and a supercharger, but look at the lack of aero garbage compared to the C7 Z06 behind it with all it's "track ready" stage three aero, plus it's not straight off the showroom floor(look at the wheels/tires, tow hook, etc).
The lowly C5 with just an ultra small rear spoiler for downforce is leaving the C7 Z06 behind, once they get some heat in the tires and clear the traffic on the track.
And the top speeds were not that high(140-142). It would have been worse if it was a higher speed track where the speeds would have been over 155.
Point is a C5 Corvette with extremely low downforce(if any) and a standard LSD is able to handle the turns as well as a C7 Z06 with high downforce(Stage 3) plus the higher tech eLSD, and then the supercharged C5 pulls away from the supercharged C7 Z06 on the straights.
Them's facts, son. I don't see where the newer tech is any better than the older tech. I don't see where the C5 had to add any "new" tech to run with the C7's "new" tech. Seems as if the "old" tech is just as good as the "new" tech. But the C7's high tech interior and dashboard of the C7 is as good as my neighbors new 2016 KIA mini van. Progress is being made.
Them's facts, son. I don't see where the newer tech is any better than the older tech. I don't see where the C5 had to add any "new" tech to run with the C7's "new" tech. Seems as if the "old" tech is just as good as the "new" tech. But the C7's high tech interior and dashboard of the C7 is as good as my neighbors new 2016 KIA mini van. Progress is being made.
For your enjoyment....
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dcourse-2.html
Watch the video in his last posting(and read the last paragraph).
He's not just fast on the straights due to his horsepower, but he's fast in the turns, and without all the high tech doodads and downforce of the C7 Z06.
No long hours in the wind tunnel, no eLSD, no CCB, no magnetic suspension. Just a run of the mill old tech 1998 C5 with old fashioned go fast ideas, but very well implemented, that runs cool.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dcourse-2.html
Watch the video in his last posting(and read the last paragraph).
He's not just fast on the straights due to his horsepower, but he's fast in the turns, and without all the high tech doodads and downforce of the C7 Z06.
No long hours in the wind tunnel, no eLSD, no CCB, no magnetic suspension. Just a run of the mill old tech 1998 C5 with old fashioned go fast ideas, but very well implemented, that runs cool.
I'm not sure how you are shocked that a car with 800 whp walks away from a bone stock Z07 (power and weight wise at least, but slicks wont help straight line speed obviously). You can't compare a stock car to a car that's been upgraded over the last 10 years and then say "Well, how many million of dollars and how many thousands of hours has GM engineers spent over the last 18 years to make the 2016 C7 an continuously improvement over the 1998 C5?". I highly doubt that JB's C5 could out corner the C7Z. Maybe it could, but without a data logger, how do we know? At least with the C7, there's the Cosworth Toolbox/PDR to track stuff like g forces in corner.
You're also not taking driver skill into account. I'm sure someone who has had a car for 10 years will have an easier time extracting more from a car than someone whos had the car for only a year (who knows how long the owner of the silver Z07 had his car before that track day).
I respect JB's build a ton and it has become one of my favorite C5s, but you can't say its a "run of the mill car". That car makes loads of power (800 whp according to many of his posts), has upgraded brakes, I'm guessing and upgraded suspension, and better tires than a C5 ever had from the factory. If you mean "run of the mill" compared to the C7Z, sure it's much more simple. It may not have all of the go fast goodies that the C7 has, but its upgraded a lot compared to a stock C5.
How can you not see where the new tech is better? The C7 Z06 has proven to be one of the fastest cars when it comes to the track and the fact that it can be had for under $100k makes that extremely impressive. I'm not saying the C5 and C6 aren't impressive (they are truly great cars), but the C7 is a huge step up from both of those cars, and obviously not just in the interior department.
I know you'll probably have a long response to this refuting everything I've said, because that's how seems to go around here with you. In my opinion, life is too short to be spending your time arguing with people who own a certain car and telling them how their car isn't "all that great". You don't see a C7 owner posting in the C5 or C6 forums how the C7 is better than those cars. Why do it to people here? Go out and enjoy a drive in your Z06 or C2 instead. I'm sure that's funner than this.
10-11-2016, 09:37 PM
#32
Team Owner
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10-12-2016, 12:31 AM
#34
Originally Posted by 6104696
Professional driver comparisons indicate otherwise. My experience indicates otherwise. A properly running Z06 is slow? Really? But it sounds like you definitely need to trade for an ACR or one of the other cars you say that you can't run with. Some cars and some drivers are just mismatched.
an ACR is not going to fix that. Again this guys doesn't know how to drive. A car is only as good as it's driver 
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10-12-2016, 02:31 AM
#35
Yup, purple is always faster.
10-12-2016, 03:03 AM
#36
I always love the new Corvette and who does not. When I bought my ZO7 2015 M7 I felt like I will own the track.
The ugly truth is the new ZO6 is slow. Not only in straights but also in high speed corners. I cant go with 911 turbo or C63 AMG Coupe or M5. All the 650 hp are available but the car is not fast.
Its good to have the Corvette but not for race tracks. I am thinking to switch to ACR which is a real track car.
Really not good.
The ugly truth is the new ZO6 is slow. Not only in straights but also in high speed corners. I cant go with 911 turbo or C63 AMG Coupe or M5. All the 650 hp are available but the car is not fast.
Its good to have the Corvette but not for race tracks. I am thinking to switch to ACR which is a real track car.
Really not good.
10-12-2016, 03:54 AM
#37
Racer
Thread Starter
10-12-2016, 05:53 AM
#38
10-12-2016, 06:23 AM
#39
Whoa. Here we go...
10-12-2016, 07:15 AM
#40
Point is a C5 Corvette with extremely low downforce(if any) and a standard LSD is able to handle the turns as well as a C7 Z06 with high downforce(Stage 3) plus the higher tech eLSD, and then the supercharged C5 pulls away from the supercharged C7 Z06 on the straights. Them's facts, son. I don't see where the newer tech is any better than the older tech. I don't see where the C5 had to add any "new" tech to run with the C7's "new" tech. Seems as if the "old" tech is just as good as the "new" tech. But the C7's high tech interior and dashboard of the C7 is as good as my neighbors new 2016 KIA mini van. Progress is being made.
No offense but your wrong.
Mod a C7 for track work and get back to me.