23/C8Z

I think the question is silly. It should be a C6ZR or C7Z.

the C6Z is clearly a level down in all areas. Which it should be. Every generation the car one ups itself so to speak.

Nothing wrong with the C6Z. Other than it got old and a newer more sophisticated and better one came along.

do you yearn for your tube tv back? Or 480p resolution? Come on man.

sunsalem

Agreed.
If looking for just a track car, the C6Z is the way to go (for the reasons you mentioned).

Z0HS1CK

That's good. Then what i said doesn't apply to you.

Interior is the same in the C7Z and your 427??? That is flawed big time.

If you find the 427 to look better from the outside, then that's pure opinionated but to say the C6 interior is the "same" as the C7 is laughable. Obviously not audi level, why are we even bringing up german cars? First the other clown to mention the M4, now audi?? No one is comparing to german cars. We're comparing both corvettes. The C7 destroys the C6 interior in every aspect you can think of.



Another flawed statement.

So basically your logic is, first time corvette owners HAVE to start from the older generations to be "pure corvette enthusiasts", and not get the newest one otherwise they just want to impress people??

I had a C6 before. It was incredible. Had the long tubes, i lowered it. Had nice wheels. It look menacing. I got the C7Z because i wanted a better corvette experience. A better car. Something faster. SOmething with a warranty. Something that looked better. The C7Z fit the criteria perfectly. Has nothing to do with something "new". It's already 2017 with the 2018 models coming out and my Z is a '16, doesn't mean i'm gonna trade it for a newer Z. Well actually let's see what the ZR1 looks like lol

I am going to enjoy my Z, i already put on 4600 miles of all smiles and gotten soo much more attention in those little miles than my C6 did in the 15k miles or so i put.

Like i said before. GM really grand slammed the ball into another zip code with the C7Z. Can't wait for the ZR1.

Maximus68

There is ALWAYS gonna be someone with a faster car. Get the C7 Z06. You'll be glad that you did. There is no comparison and you'll be sorry you got a C6.

Pacembellum

The c6 is the next c4, think about it.

grcor

The C7 Z06 is using 71% more gas than the C6 Z06 at the track(C6 Z06 gets 6 mpg and the C7 Z06 gets 3.5 mpg). I am not sure if I can say that translates directly into 71% more heat the cooling system has to dissipate, but I think we all can agree it is substantially more heat that the cooling system has to dissipate. Now it should be painfully obvious why the C7 Z06 has such an overheating problem. On top of that the C7 Z06 has the intercooler radiator setting in front of the engine radiator. Not only does the intercooler radiator slightly restrict airflow to the engine radiator but it is heating up the air before the engine radiator gets it. After market Radiator manufactures have tried higher capacity radiators with little to no effect because of the issues I have mentioned above with the intercooler radiator and the large belly pan further restricting airflow. The only way a higher capacity radiator can work is if there is a sufficient flow of cool air. LG and GSpeed are putting additional openings in the front of the car with separate air inlets for each radiator/cooler. I think they will eventually be successful in solving the cooling problem, but unfortunately they will have created 3 new problems. The new air inlets will create substantially more drag and lift and the additional radiators/coolers with add weight in front of the front tires skewing the balance of the car. The Chevrolet engineers are no dummies and I am sure they have already looked at this approach and discarded it because of all the new problems that it creates. So what you will see from Chevrolet are more band aids like the rear mounded cooler, power steering scoop, and larger hood openings in the 2017 Z06. None of which totally solve the problem. The Chevy engineers got themselves into a vicious circle of adding Comfort features>Weight>Performance features>Weight>Supercharging>Weight>Gas mileage enhancements>Weight>Cooling solutions>Weight, so you guys are wasting your time and money.

The C7 will go down in history, much like the C4, a car to avoid!

davepl

Come on, track mileage estimates into guesses of thermal efficiency? You guy are just making stuff up now. Here's a picture of my C4 to keep you happy. I don't know why anyone would upgrade to those fat new fangled C5s and C6s.

Is it a 94 or a 95? Oooh, it's been modded so it's hard to tell.

(BTW the auto C4 had heat issues at the track as well, the trans would boil and puke coolant/oil out! But it was way cooler than the C5.)

Maximus68

I guess 100,000 C7 Z06 owners are wrong

grcor

The track fuel mileage came from forum members.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...e-session.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...e-session.html

As far how great you think C4's are, you need to read what reviewers where saying about car when it was in production.
Just do a google search on “corvette c4 flex” and you will see page after page of complaints.
“When engineers began developing the fifth-generation Corvette, they studied the fourth generation to determine what needed improvement. They discovered that the car's steel structure would flex under spirited driving conditions. ” http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/vemp-1104-corvette-frames/

Here are a couple of quotes from Car and Driver magazine “The Corvette's body, on the other hand, tends to crash, bang, and shiver over ridges and potholes. The car performs a kind of belly dance, and its instrument panel groans and creaks.http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...perfect-page-4

“the Corvette still shivers over bumps and creaks its way through life.” http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...erpoint-page-4

Snorman

Please provide the source of this data to include conditions and lap times.
If you can prove that a C7 Z06 and a C6 Z06 lap the same track at the same pace on the same day under the same conditions with this data, it's worthwhile. Otherwise, it's just you spewing unsubstantiated garbage, as usual.
You've tried to make these claims before and I've called you out on them because you have ZERO reliable data to support them and thus, no credibility. You rely on visual estimates of fuel gauges and off-handed comments from people who actually track their cars.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1592791453



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Higgs Boson

Do you know WHY the C4 became the car to avoid?

Because the C5 was revolutionary not evolutionary and moved the Corvette brand into contention with the best cars available at the time. The C4 came to represent the old Corvette brand, lifestyle, connotations, gold chains, etc and the C5 and newer was a legitimate sports car instead of a poser.

The C7 is the best Corvette generation to date with regards to performance and tech. Yes, they are heavier, but EVERYthing is heavier, thanks Obama. Yes, it's harder to cool 650/650 but not every car overheats, it is not a problem with the car's existence, it is an issue of specific geographical use. Is it bad press? For sure!! And it sucks if it happens to you, I am sure.

But overall, all things considered, taking into account performance, design, technology, useability, etc, there is not a better Corvette today. The C6 was better than the C7 in June of 2013, but after that, not so much.

Of course if you base it on style or auction value or nostalgia or some other arbitrary factor then it just goes down to whatever one prefers and why they buy anything they buy at all, much like paintings and photos on the wall, everyone is unique and no one is wrong.

But saying that a high ambient 10/10ths track only cooling issue dooms the C7 is borderline retarded. It's an easy fix not unlike how easy the fix is when 400 HP isn't enough people spend way more money "fixing the issue" with aftermarket parts to get 500 (or whatever) HP and it never fails they always state, "This is how the car should have come from Chevy." Same thing with suspension changes or tires (who likes the run flats?) or whatever example you want to use.

The point is, any car you buy, when you want to use it at any type of limit, even a Jeep Wrangler off road isn't all that good without lifts and 35s and so on and even has a tendency to overheat when crawling, will find the limits of the weakest link and require an upgrade. Big deal, it's nothing new.

Condemning a generation of Corvette because it literally has ONE shortcoming from being absolutely perfect has to be the most short-sighted notion proposed. Open your eyes, put in eye drops if needed. The C7Z is compared with, and often bests, cars 3 or 4 times it's price range, that says A LOT. And even those cars aren't perfect. 911's need whole engines, C6Z's need head work (or engines), and so on and you want to complain about a minor, fixable, non catastrophic, low percentage on track heat management issue.

grcor

Yes, you are correct. Bob Lutz confirmed that The original program was to develop a mid-engine Corvette C7 and a mid engine Cadillac XLR for 900 million. The program was moving forward, they had a full size fiberglass model of both cars, then bankruptcy hit and the program was canceled. Coming out of bankruptcy Tadge got 200 million, "do the best you can". Lets face it 200 million is really not enough to do it right, but what is the alternative? No Corvette at all! So the C7 is what it is, a compromised design to appeal to widest audience.


Just look at what C6Z owners are saying about their C7Z!
Why is the C7Z the most criticized Vette I've owned? https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-ve-owned.html

The design philosophy on the C6 was correct, but wrong on the C7. https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...on-the-c7.html

Anyone else miss their ZR1 ? https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...their-zr1.html

Unreal

Same exact threads were around 10 years ago when c6z came out. That is nothing new or special.

grcor

See post #129

Then why is the current ATS, CTS, Camaro, and Malibu 200 to 300 pounds lighter that the previous generation. Yet the C7Z is 300 to 350 pound heavier than the C6Z?

See post #133

ONE shortcoming? Overheating(coolant, engine oil, intercooler air temperature, power steering, automatic transmission oil), Over weight, warble noise, paint(over spray, orange peel, 50 shades of grey), oil consumption, PDR green tint, etc. Do I really need to go on?

LoganExplosion

C6Z - 393# lighter, 100% better looking, zero hideous brake lights etc etc.

C7 was probably in limp mode. Pissing itself all the way back to the paddocks

davepl

That's why I posted my old C4, I guess it was too subtle ;-)

I don't know which is funnier, the amount of butthurt the C6 people have because they know how much better the C7Z really is, or the amount of butthurt some C7Z guys experience when not everyone believes it!

Just in case you need the official stack ranking, here it is. I would trade up each leg of this ladder (excepting financial values, certain special cars, etc).

C7
C2
C6
C3
C4
C5
C1

ChrisM4

You're the biggest clown on this forum.. dont you have something better to do than post on forums every second of your life? Go clean the pleather in your c7 you joke

i wish you werent a little girl hiding behind the computer screen and actually put your money where your mouth is and lets run heads up... i didnt buy a corvette for interior so i dont know why you keep mentioning interior.... people buy corvettes to race...

ajrothm

Great post!

Maybe some of the other C6 trolls here will read/recognize this as well...

sunsalem

Getyup

I had to click to see why so much posts on this thread. The op was done by like post 20 max saying he was going to get a C7. After that the trolls took over. Your in the C7 forum of course you will get a bias leaning anyone towards a C7. Shoot a guy who posts mostly on off topic any time a newer car comes up he brings up his GTR. That it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Nothing can touch it on the street. I feel the same thing with my car as well though I know it isn't the case. I wonder if op asked on the C6 forum? I bet he'd get a different answer.😎