Corvette Z06 Owners Hit GM with Proposed Class-Action Lawsuit
06-20-2017, 11:56 AM
#521
Had GM been a little more crafty at introduction, the A8 could have been programmed to short shift when set to track mode. This would have slowed it down in track mode but it wouldn't overheat and then they could try to place the blame for overheating on those who shifted it manually and let the LT4 run in the RPM range for which it was intended in track use.
Of course the proper and honest approach would have been to release the Z06 with a properly designed cooling system rather than only adding a different grill and slightly more powerful fan to the exact same system used for the LT1 which has much lower horsepower and no intercooler heat exchanger in the cooling stack.
Of course the proper and honest approach would have been to release the Z06 with a properly designed cooling system rather than only adding a different grill and slightly more powerful fan to the exact same system used for the LT1 which has much lower horsepower and no intercooler heat exchanger in the cooling stack.
Pretty sure I can sell my Z at the same depreciated rate as any other Vette. With the zillion of them out there sold really looks like overheating rumors are affecting anything
06-20-2017, 01:46 PM
#523
When I was at spring mountain one of the head instructors said he can make any car overheat in the right conditions (lambos, porshes, etc) and they don't even run the race cars out there much in the extreme heat months because those have a problem even with all the additional cooling hardware...
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06-20-2017, 03:05 PM
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Even if a radiator addition isn't at least pulling timing without the tune, and it can get one by, the A8 owner not having that option is indeed still cornered without at least the new SC. Like I've said a properly documented proper M7 ZO7 failing really should resolve under warranty.
The A8, especially the ZO7, probably needs official clarification, and decision, as what ones expectations rightfully should be would seem to fall in a much more technical realm!
An interesting fact about the A8, unlike the A10, is how detrimental the cars gearing is high speed all by itself in regards to the load and heat!
The A8, especially the ZO7, probably needs official clarification, and decision, as what ones expectations rightfully should be would seem to fall in a much more technical realm!
An interesting fact about the A8, unlike the A10, is how detrimental the cars gearing is high speed all by itself in regards to the load and heat!
A. English is your second language
B. You are responding to the voices in your head.
C. If you are on speed.
D. All of the Above
06-20-2017, 03:06 PM
#525
Le Mans Master
Watch Pobst and MT go full auto in the ZL1! Road Tracking the A8 - No Way!
Yes the A8 has issues on the track but I thought Tadge made it clear to either paddle shift or use the M7 if tracking. The issue is the gearing in the A8 makes it faster but it taxes the engine more due to gearing when used in (D) mode. Issues with M7 is most likely very extreme conditions or problems with those specific cars.
When I was at spring mountain one of the head instructors said he can make any car overheat in the right conditions (lambos, porshes, etc) and they don't even run the race cars out there much in the extreme heat months because those have a problem even with all the additional cooling hardware...
When I was at spring mountain one of the head instructors said he can make any car overheat in the right conditions (lambos, porshes, etc) and they don't even run the race cars out there much in the extreme heat months because those have a problem even with all the additional cooling hardware...
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06-20-2017, 03:16 PM
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Burning Brakes
Yes the A8 has issues on the track but I thought Tadge made it clear to either paddle shift or use the M7 if tracking. The issue is the gearing in the A8 makes it faster but it taxes the engine more due to gearing when used in (D) mode. Issues with M7 is most likely very extreme conditions or problems with those specific cars.
When I was at spring mountain one of the head instructors said he can make any car overheat in the right conditions (lambos, porshes, etc) and they don't even run the race cars out there much in the extreme heat months because those have a problem even with all the additional cooling hardware...
When I was at spring mountain one of the head instructors said he can make any car overheat in the right conditions (lambos, porshes, etc) and they don't even run the race cars out there much in the extreme heat months because those have a problem even with all the additional cooling hardware...
Yes, Tadge did say that but the question is, did that suggestion come after people experienced an overheat? or before? is it stated in the manual where the instructions are for track preparedness?
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06-20-2017, 03:33 PM
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Why doesn't everyone just get a ZL1 automatic and a Z06 manual? That way we can move on to other topics.
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06-20-2017, 04:28 PM
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Automotive industry/GOV agreed to safety standards a long time ago. They are well spelled out and (if this is real which I don't think it is...) it will be pretty easy to dismiss the "limp mode causes death" argument.. just like the "Air bag causes death" arguments..
For the air bags causes death we had innocent children...and if that did not work I don't see how a well suited aggressive track guy with Rolex watch (I almost lost my life!! I swear!) is going to do it..!?
So we are left with a "limp mode" equals fraud case...
Once GM links the limp mode to the warranty (turns out to be true) then it is game over.
Results:
No track warranty for those that wanted to track and safeguard the car
AND No track warranty for those that wanted to track and beat the hell of the car to squeeze that last tenth!
I think this could have been handled a bit better..
For the air bags causes death we had innocent children...and if that did not work I don't see how a well suited aggressive track guy with Rolex watch (I almost lost my life!! I swear!) is going to do it..!?
So we are left with a "limp mode" equals fraud case...
Once GM links the limp mode to the warranty (turns out to be true) then it is game over.
Results:
No track warranty for those that wanted to track and safeguard the car
AND No track warranty for those that wanted to track and beat the hell of the car to squeeze that last tenth!
I think this could have been handled a bit better..
06-20-2017, 04:47 PM
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At this point, I can't call it on whether he's some kind of a nut job, or just has abysmal communication skills.
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06-20-2017, 05:00 PM
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Okay, now I know I'm out of line somehow! ;)
I can't make much sense out of 95% of "johnglenntwo"s posts either. I wish he'd just go away. Failing that, maybe he could run his proposed posts by someone else, before hitting the "Submit Reply" button.
At this point, I can't call it on whether he's some kind of a nut job, or just has abysmal communication skills.
At this point, I can't call it on whether he's some kind of a nut job, or just has abysmal communication skills.
The A8 gears NSM!
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06-20-2017, 05:06 PM
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06-20-2017, 05:23 PM
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No need to pile on, if you don't like his comments put him on ignore, or maybe take the high road.
06-20-2017, 05:37 PM
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I'm quite willing to take the "high road", and cut lots of people lots of slack, but maybe it would be the best thing, for the most people here, if he changed his hobby from prolific forum posting, to making clay pots or something?
06-20-2017, 05:47 PM
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Le Mans Master
I agree attacking the A8 is pointless!
I can agree I may go over the line with the details. If guys don't have their big boy pants on it can be distressing! But, I thought this was a Forum for sharing ideas? Feel free to correct my facts. I'm wrong sometimes too! Who knows maybe we will all learn something. In other words: Don't kill the messenger!
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06-20-2017, 06:35 PM
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Pro
WOW I cant even comment in this thread. I love my Z flaws and all. I paid full price for it but that's what it is, I'm not wealthy but the car is 10 steps ahead of where I was. I'm driving it for awhile, then will mod everything myself love working on it part of my genetics lol. If I wanted a perfect race car I would have to spend way more than I could afford and on a car that has waaaaay more maintenance than the Z..
06-20-2017, 06:54 PM
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Burning Brakes
I can agree I may go over the line with the details. If guys don't have their big boy pants on it can be distressing! But, I thought this was a Forum for sharing ideas? Feel free to correct my facts. I'm wrong sometimes too! Who knows maybe we will all learn something. In other words: Don't kill the messenger!
Your posts lack cohesion, are not even half grammatically correct and the points you try to present are eclectic at best, down right disorganized and unrelated at worst.
You should really try reading your posts before submitting them, I'd even go so far as to edit them in a program that can help with corrections like Microsoft Word. Even Google will help in this regard.
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