C7 Corvettes are not selling..........
06-26-2017, 06:03 AM
#104
06-26-2017, 03:21 PM
#106
Melting Slicks
However; the logistics (and full taxes) kill it for me. I guess I'm burnt out on the rat race now.........or getting too old to care anymore.
06-26-2017, 04:37 PM
#107
Le Mans Master
You are misinformed. My family has 3 GM products just none with the A8. I actually like the C7 but I don't think the quality is there for the money but that's just my opinion. However the A8 is still a problematic transmission compared to the M7 no matter what you say.
Conversely my A8 has been trouble free.
Other may say the opposite, and be just as authoritative on the matter - which is to say, not at all.
The TR-6070 has its issues, just like any other transmission. Whether they're more or less than the A8 is hard to say, especially when you figure that 77% of Corvettes have the A8 these days.
How much of the dealer stock that's left over are M7 cars I wonder? I don't know the answer, but that should tell you what's selling and what isn't.
Last edited by davepl; 06-26-2017 at 04:38 PM.
06-26-2017, 05:13 PM
#109
On the original question, which is an interesting one and has relevance for anyone buying a new Vette...
Chevy has had a large inventory of these cars for over a year, if you look at sales data. I don't know if the cars are "hard" to sell, because this C7 has been a great seller for GM. The vehicle far outsells other high end sports car manufacturers in the US. Still, I'm not sure why they manufactured such a large inventory of C7s--and then offered a lot of incentives to sell them. Sounds like the wanted the perceived value to be higher--rather than just sell them for less and do less discounting. If you look at the dealer hold-back and other incentives, dealers can easily take 15K off MSRP of a Z06 and still make decent money. When you get down to a 20% discount off MSRP is probably near where the dealer is breaking even depending on "factory to dealer" incentives. There was an excellent thread about this, and someone did a really good analysis and breakdown of dealer invoice pricing and holdbacks, etc., so even if the demand isn't there, they can still offer steep discounts and generally still make money. That's great for us buyers. Hope you find a good one!
Chevy has had a large inventory of these cars for over a year, if you look at sales data. I don't know if the cars are "hard" to sell, because this C7 has been a great seller for GM. The vehicle far outsells other high end sports car manufacturers in the US. Still, I'm not sure why they manufactured such a large inventory of C7s--and then offered a lot of incentives to sell them. Sounds like the wanted the perceived value to be higher--rather than just sell them for less and do less discounting. If you look at the dealer hold-back and other incentives, dealers can easily take 15K off MSRP of a Z06 and still make decent money. When you get down to a 20% discount off MSRP is probably near where the dealer is breaking even depending on "factory to dealer" incentives. There was an excellent thread about this, and someone did a really good analysis and breakdown of dealer invoice pricing and holdbacks, etc., so even if the demand isn't there, they can still offer steep discounts and generally still make money. That's great for us buyers. Hope you find a good one!
06-26-2017, 06:43 PM
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^^^Agreed....it get tiring reading these "the sky is falling" threads. Why the heck do so many people ASSUME the worst?
06-26-2017, 07:14 PM
#112
Le Mans Master
I've been driving an M7 for a year and until I read your post I was completely unaware of these issues. Coffee can full of marbles at low speed? You just keep ragging on this transmission. I don't get it, mine has been great.
06-26-2017, 07:40 PM
#113
Melting Slicks
I'm getting a new C7Z M7 as soon as the bottom falls out of the market for these cars........it won't be long.
Last edited by Speedforhire; 06-26-2017 at 07:41 PM.
06-27-2017, 12:08 AM
#114
Le Mans Master
M7 sounds like a coffee can full of marbles at low speeds, pops out of gear, pedal sticks to the floor when speed shifting, and the list goes on.
Conversely my A8 has been trouble free.
Other may say the opposite, and be just as authoritative on the matter - which is to say, not at all.
The TR-6070 has its issues, just like any other transmission. Whether they're more or less than the A8 is hard to say, especially when you figure that 77% of Corvettes have the A8 these days.
How much of the dealer stock that's left over are M7 cars I wonder? I don't know the answer, but that should tell you what's selling and what isn't.
Conversely my A8 has been trouble free.
Other may say the opposite, and be just as authoritative on the matter - which is to say, not at all.
The TR-6070 has its issues, just like any other transmission. Whether they're more or less than the A8 is hard to say, especially when you figure that 77% of Corvettes have the A8 these days.
How much of the dealer stock that's left over are M7 cars I wonder? I don't know the answer, but that should tell you what's selling and what isn't.
06-27-2017, 07:30 AM
#115
Team Owner
M7 sounds like a coffee can full of marbles at low speeds, pops out of gear, pedal sticks to the floor when speed shifting, and the list goes on.
Conversely my A8 has been trouble free.
Other may say the opposite, and be just as authoritative on the matter - which is to say, not at all.
The TR-6070 has its issues, just like any other transmission. Whether they're more or less than the A8 is hard to say, especially when you figure that 77% of Corvettes have the A8 these days.
How much of the dealer stock that's left over are M7 cars I wonder? I don't know the answer, but that should tell you what's selling and what isn't.
Conversely my A8 has been trouble free.
Other may say the opposite, and be just as authoritative on the matter - which is to say, not at all.
The TR-6070 has its issues, just like any other transmission. Whether they're more or less than the A8 is hard to say, especially when you figure that 77% of Corvettes have the A8 these days.
How much of the dealer stock that's left over are M7 cars I wonder? I don't know the answer, but that should tell you what's selling and what isn't.
While I do have some "nibbles" shifting from 1st to 2nd when cold(improved after I switched to Mobil1 DexIII synthetic ATF), my transmission does not sound like "marbles in a can" but is very quiet, has never popped out of gear, and has never had the clutch pedal stick on the floor(but I do do the "Ranger' clutch fluid flush once or twice a year). GM says to flush the system every two years just as they say to change the oil very year. Routine maintenance(but the hydraulic system should be redesigned so that it is not required to flush the system every two years).
GM has used the Tremec transmission since the 1997 C5 and other than a batch that were built with a defective snap ring groove early in the C6 production cycle, the transmission has performed very well.
Much better than the A8 in the C7.
The auto/manual ratio in the C7 is much closer to 71%/29% than 77%/23% you stated.
Last edited by JoesC5; 06-27-2017 at 07:38 AM.
06-27-2017, 10:17 AM
#116
Out of eleven 2017 911's that Porsche of West Houston has in stock, two of them are DEMO's with mileage. Guess what, only two of the eleven 911's are discounted below MSRP.
Want to venture a guess which of the eleven are the two DEMO's? Maybe the one that is discounted $13,315 and maybe the one that is discounted $4,533?
How come the remaining nine that are not DEMO's are not discounted?
Every 2017 Corvette(eleven of them with three of them being Z06's) that my local Chevrolet dealer has in stock is discounted, and none of them are DEMO's but brand new, right off the transporter from Bowling Green.
Want to venture a guess which of the eleven are the two DEMO's? Maybe the one that is discounted $13,315 and maybe the one that is discounted $4,533?
How come the remaining nine that are not DEMO's are not discounted?
Every 2017 Corvette(eleven of them with three of them being Z06's) that my local Chevrolet dealer has in stock is discounted, and none of them are DEMO's but brand new, right off the transporter from Bowling Green.
06-27-2017, 03:26 PM
#119
Le Mans Master
^^^^Sweet Ride!
