Epic wreck, "racecar driver" from Pa in Dec on the bald Cup2's? Now ya did it!
#101
Melting Slicks
It really is hard to believe the manufacturers put the Sport Cup 2 tires on cars that an unsuspecting consumer can buy and drive. I would think it would be a huge liability for them for possible litigation. Its not like your car salesman is going to say anything negative about the tires and lose the sale.
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#102
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GM and most other manufacturers tell you not even to roll the car around in temps less than 40 degrees F. If I'm not mistaken, there is a long history of these tires cracking along the sidewall, even on new cars on the lot.
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that's crazy this is the guys car. 500 miles and toast. That shop is HUGE and no insurance
My biggest shop was 10k and change. I had over a million in insurance and felt that wasn't enough sometimes. I can't believe this guy was building new Corvettes for people without a dime of insurance...lunacy.
My biggest shop was 10k and change. I had over a million in insurance and felt that wasn't enough sometimes. I can't believe this guy was building new Corvettes for people without a dime of insurance...lunacy.
#104
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Tires are a freakin' death trap, My car would be in a different porch probably if it wasn't for the fact that I have owned multiple 500hp plus cars. Just ordered new tires today to get rid of the stupid *** cup 2 tires.
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What amazes me is that we (myself included) think nothing of buying a car with 650 horsepower and then complain when we crash because we exceed our driving capabilities. I've also owned several high horsepower cars over the years, but I've come to the realization that my reflexes aren't what they used to be when I was younger. Once you lose respect for the capabilities of anything dangerous, you're in trouble.
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ONENATION (01-17-2018)
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They are the best street tires I've ever used, as long as used as designed. If you used the same logic the z06 is a stupid car and the zr1 will be even more stupid. Put the blame where it belongs. On the loose nut behind the wheel.
#107
You guys are taking my comment out of context. How many people know what Michelin Sport Cup 2 tires are? Anybody with a decent credit score and a job can drive away in a Z06. Don't you think there should be some instruction and forewarnings about the capability of the tires or lack of in cold and wet weather. Just sayin....
People who have experience with fast cars Always look at the tires. I immediately noticed drag radials or near slicks on all four corners when I was looking at the c7z. Then of course I touched the rubber to see how soft it was. It’s a safety thing for gear heads, tires & brakes.
#108
A lot of you are forgetting that it wasn't the owner that crashed the car. To me the tires are completely secondary to the real problem
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Yup. Fran and his shop really did a number on that car and its owner.
#110
Burning Brakes
I'm sure there is some discussion and paperwork that clearly states the car is a performance car with summer only tires.
GM and most other manufacturers tell you not even to roll the car around in temps less than 40 degrees F. If I'm not mistaken, there is a long history of these tires cracking along the sidewall, even on new cars on the lot.
GM and most other manufacturers tell you not even to roll the car around in temps less than 40 degrees F. If I'm not mistaken, there is a long history of these tires cracking along the sidewall, even on new cars on the lot.
Maybe rain on the road though the crash photos show that it’s sunny but I would think that certainly very low temperature would not of been a factor.
Just saying.
#111
I’m not positive on the accident location (DE or WV) which obviously gets cold this time of year. But from what I read on the yellowbullet, it stated there that the car was wrecked back in May 2017.
Maybe rain on the road though the crash photos show that it’s sunny but I would think that certainly very low temperature would not of been a factor.
Just saying.
Maybe rain on the road though the crash photos show that it’s sunny but I would think that certainly very low temperature would not of been a factor.
Just saying.
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The biggest problem people have is thinking that receiving a government issued driver's license means they know how to drive. None of the training received, booklets written on the rules or the driving test ever provide information on how to drive and test the driver to see if they know how to drive. Being able to stop at a stop sign, make a K turn or park (if they even test that any more) really prepares an individual to drive through an ever changing environment of car behavior, weather changes, other drivers, pedestrians and even less training in what to do when sudden changes occur.
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I agree Bill. Throw an abundance of horsepower into the mixture and anything can happen. It's not the car, or tires, or horsepower. He just ran out of talent.
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#119
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Low skill + high confidence + no judgement == Bad
#120
Drifting
I am not sure they are unsuspecting but I certainly have met a few who did not know very much about the cars. When I was out at Spring Mountain we had a group of about 12 drivers. When going over the cars in the classroom, I was astounded to discover that 10 of the 12 did not know how to check the oil on the Z06s. I am admittedly a bit old school, but I suppose this is indicative of how things have changed over time. They depend on the dealer and the warning lights. Similarly, few knew the location of the charging port in the back, and probably half the guys with automatics had never even tried the paddle shifters. So no surprise that a driver would be unfamiliar with the cars capabilities and perhaps the laws of physics. In retrospect, it is a good thing that they were at the school to learn about the cars' limits and capabilities there rather than out on the street back home.--Bob
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