Is the Z06 a legit Supercar?
#201
Melting Slicks
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Middle class people cannot afford supercars. If McLaren doesn't consider the 570s a supercar and Porsche doesn't consider the 911 Turbo a supercar how is the z06 a supercar?
http://cars.mclaren.com/sports-series/570s-coupe
https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/9...-turbo-models/
(read the turbo model brochure)
http://cars.mclaren.com/sports-series/570s-coupe
https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/9...-turbo-models/
(read the turbo model brochure)
Max. power 540 hp
at rpm 6,400 rpm
0 - 60 mph 2.9 s
Top track speed 198 mph
Combined 21 MPG
EPA Disclaimer EPA estimate. Actual mileage may vary.
MSRP From $ 161,800.00*
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#203
Le Mans Master
One would imagine that Supercar would have an objective performance definition you could all agree on and then measure against that.
Doesn't matter what it weighs, what color it is, whether its gas or electric or rear wheel or all wheel drive, there should just be a set of metrics.
Accelerate to 60 sub 3 seconds, stop from 60 sub 100 feet, run quarter sub 11, lap Willows in under 1:35. Perhaps Top Speed matters to you.
What doesn't matter is mileage, price, color, styling, all of that. And much of that is subjective anyway.
What I -can- tell you is that if the Z06 is a supercar, it doesn't make the ZR1 a hypercar by adding a measly 100hp. You need another set of metrics that only a few cars in the world can achieve. Like a sub-7 Nurburgring and > 225 mph top speed, something like that.
Doesn't matter what it weighs, what color it is, whether its gas or electric or rear wheel or all wheel drive, there should just be a set of metrics.
Accelerate to 60 sub 3 seconds, stop from 60 sub 100 feet, run quarter sub 11, lap Willows in under 1:35. Perhaps Top Speed matters to you.
What doesn't matter is mileage, price, color, styling, all of that. And much of that is subjective anyway.
What I -can- tell you is that if the Z06 is a supercar, it doesn't make the ZR1 a hypercar by adding a measly 100hp. You need another set of metrics that only a few cars in the world can achieve. Like a sub-7 Nurburgring and > 225 mph top speed, something like that.
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#204
Banned Scam/Spammer
These manufacturers do use the supercar term but only when referring to their higher end/top performing models. A supercar is more than just performance, it also has exclusivity and exotic qualities. Again, if the 570S isn't a supercar according to McLaren or the 911T, how in the world is a z06? It is a great performing sports car at a great price but far from a supercar.
#205
Racer
No it's not. Performance is up there though. But seriously, calling it a supercar is putting it in the company of Lamborghini Countach, Ferrari Testarossa, Bugatti Veyron, McLaren F1... The stuff of dreams and legend. The corvette Z06 is like the Porsche 911 turbo, mass produced high-performance sportscars.
Staying with the old 200mph rule devaluates the term. How soon until we have a five-seat BMW wagon doing 200+?
Staying with the old 200mph rule devaluates the term. How soon until we have a five-seat BMW wagon doing 200+?
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#206
Le Mans Master
The stuff of dreams and legend
So if you're going to define something on ghosts and dreams and legends and smoke and mirrors, don't be surprised when no two people can agree on the same dreams and legends, etc...
Last edited by davepl; 04-30-2018 at 12:14 PM.
#207
These manufacturers do use the supercar term but only when referring to their higher end/top performing models. A supercar is more than just performance, it also has exclusivity and exotic qualities. Again, if the 570S isn't a supercar according to McLaren or the 911T, how in the world is a z06? It is a great performing sports car at a great price but far from a supercar.
I actually know why people think the z06 is a supercar.
When i first bought my Z, every single person who complimented the car said, "dude it looks like a ferrari, or SOME SUPERCAR".
I am almost certain every Z owner has gotten a compliment like that so it stuck in their head brainwashing them in thinking they really own a supercar lol
This is almost as sad as a person who can't afford a real ferrari but wants to be part of the ferrari family. So he would buy the proper attire and when people ask, "do you really own a ferrari?".
He'll respond, "yeah i own a ferrari DINO"....LOL LMAO. The terrible dino. The one featured on top gear. That cheap one lol
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#208
Team Owner
The Z06 and ZR1 are GM's supercars! They can use any term they like.
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#209
Team Owner
[QUOTE=RobGZ06;1597106152]Exactly.
I actually know why people think the z06 is a supercar.
When i first bought my Z, every single person who complimented the car said, "dude it looks like a ferrari, or SOME SUPERCAR".
I am almost certain every Z owner has gotten a compliment like that so it stuck in their head brainwashing them in thinking they really own a supercar lol
This is almost as sad as a person who can't afford a real ferrari but wants to be part of the ferrari family. So he would buy the proper attire and when people ask, "do you really own a ferrari?".
He'll respond, "yeah i own a ferrari DINO"....LOL LMAO. The terrible dino. The one featured on top gear. That cheap one lol[/QUOTE
What a bigger laugh is guys coming in the Z06 forum making 20 posts why other cars are supercars and the Z06 is not but as of yet fail to post pictures of their Supercar? When they can't spell it right for starters! The biggest laugh is who cares????
If you have a car or lease payment on one I feel sorry for you.
Magazine comparison's anyone?
I actually know why people think the z06 is a supercar.
When i first bought my Z, every single person who complimented the car said, "dude it looks like a ferrari, or SOME SUPERCAR".
I am almost certain every Z owner has gotten a compliment like that so it stuck in their head brainwashing them in thinking they really own a supercar lol
This is almost as sad as a person who can't afford a real ferrari but wants to be part of the ferrari family. So he would buy the proper attire and when people ask, "do you really own a ferrari?".
He'll respond, "yeah i own a ferrari DINO"....LOL LMAO. The terrible dino. The one featured on top gear. That cheap one lol[/QUOTE
What a bigger laugh is guys coming in the Z06 forum making 20 posts why other cars are supercars and the Z06 is not but as of yet fail to post pictures of their Supercar? When they can't spell it right for starters! The biggest laugh is who cares????
If you have a car or lease payment on one I feel sorry for you.
Magazine comparison's anyone?
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 04-30-2018 at 07:19 PM.
#210
You don't have to be a dentist to be able to see good teeth LOL
I know a supercar when i see one. I have a Z just like you guys. I see it everyday.
Guess what i don't see.....................A supercar LMAO!
I know a supercar when i see one. I have a Z just like you guys. I see it everyday.
Guess what i don't see.....................A supercar LMAO!
#211
Team Owner
The value is not there and a poor losing money investment.
I have 2.7 million invested right now but not counting my 5 cars. The bargain for the Z06
Supercar with a huge aftermarket is a better value. No value for money and you will never have any. Just waiting with my Z06 with 800hp to kick some supercar ***!
#212
The idea of you having to brag about your "investments" says a lot. Insecure much?
We all drive cars with depreciating futures. You actually lose more because you're modifying it so much lol. Who are you kidding??
I know your car will kick supercar ***. With 800hp it better.
But you still fail to realize. You're kicking supercar *** while not being in a supercar.
LOL
We all drive cars with depreciating futures. You actually lose more because you're modifying it so much lol. Who are you kidding??
I know your car will kick supercar ***. With 800hp it better.
But you still fail to realize. You're kicking supercar *** while not being in a supercar.
LOL
#213
Team Owner
The idea of you having to brag about your "investments" says a lot. Insecure much?
We all drive cars with depreciating futures. You actually lose more because you're modifying it so much lol. Who are you kidding??
I know your car will kick supercar ***. With 800hp it better.
But you still fail to realize. You're kicking supercar *** while not being in a supercar.
LOL
We all drive cars with depreciating futures. You actually lose more because you're modifying it so much lol. Who are you kidding??
I know your car will kick supercar ***. With 800hp it better.
But you still fail to realize. You're kicking supercar *** while not being in a supercar.
LOL
forum why the Z06 is not a supercar when it and Corvette's of the past carry supercar and better performance. I suppose the ZR1 in 2009 wasn't a Supercar or the Z06 from 2006 and 2001? All whipped up on plenty of supposed other "Supercars.
#214
Actually this is the internet, so technically we're all millionaires lol
You having 2, or 3, maybe is it 4? z06's isn't impressive. Because i own one as well. Yes, i only need 1. Even if you added a ZR1 to your stable, still not impressive.
So bragging on a public forum of what you "own" or maybe in fantasy land what you "own" is really impressive.
Now if you took pics of a REAL SUPERCAR in your stable, then yeah i'll be a little impressed. Maybe a ferrari, mclaren. You know.....legit supercars.
So doesn't matter if you own a stock 650hp z06 or a heavily modded 1500hp z06 that was featured in all the youtube videos and magazines, still doesn't make it a supercar LOL
You having 2, or 3, maybe is it 4? z06's isn't impressive. Because i own one as well. Yes, i only need 1. Even if you added a ZR1 to your stable, still not impressive.
So bragging on a public forum of what you "own" or maybe in fantasy land what you "own" is really impressive.
Now if you took pics of a REAL SUPERCAR in your stable, then yeah i'll be a little impressed. Maybe a ferrari, mclaren. You know.....legit supercars.
So doesn't matter if you own a stock 650hp z06 or a heavily modded 1500hp z06 that was featured in all the youtube videos and magazines, still doesn't make it a supercar LOL
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#216
Racer
#217
IMO the Z06 is not a supercar on price alone. I think supercars begin in the $175-$200k range. That said, I have been able to drive several High dollar Porsche and Ferrari’s.
The visceral experience of the Z06 at the price point makes the Z right there with them based on the experience. Day to Day the Z drives better and is more fun. Cost of ownership over the Porsche is about 1/2 and basic maintence of the Ferrari begins at about $5 a mile excluding tires.
From a value standpoint the Z06 gets you 95% of the performance, 85-90% of the fit and finish, at 50%-500% less cost. I will take the Z06 any day.
The visceral experience of the Z06 at the price point makes the Z right there with them based on the experience. Day to Day the Z drives better and is more fun. Cost of ownership over the Porsche is about 1/2 and basic maintence of the Ferrari begins at about $5 a mile excluding tires.
From a value standpoint the Z06 gets you 95% of the performance, 85-90% of the fit and finish, at 50%-500% less cost. I will take the Z06 any day.
Last edited by why1504; 05-03-2018 at 07:00 AM.
#218
Team Owner
Actually this is the internet, so technically we're all millionaires lol
You having 2, or 3, maybe is it 4? z06's isn't impressive. Because i own one as well. Yes, i only need 1. Even if you added a ZR1 to your stable, still not impressive.
So bragging on a public forum of what you "own" or maybe in fantasy land what you "own" is really impressive.
Now if you took pics of a REAL SUPERCAR in your stable, then yeah i'll be a little impressed. Maybe a ferrari, mclaren. You know.....legit supercars.
So doesn't matter if you own a stock 650hp z06 or a heavily modded 1500hp z06 that was featured in all the youtube videos and magazines, still doesn't make it a supercar LOL
You having 2, or 3, maybe is it 4? z06's isn't impressive. Because i own one as well. Yes, i only need 1. Even if you added a ZR1 to your stable, still not impressive.
So bragging on a public forum of what you "own" or maybe in fantasy land what you "own" is really impressive.
Now if you took pics of a REAL SUPERCAR in your stable, then yeah i'll be a little impressed. Maybe a ferrari, mclaren. You know.....legit supercars.
So doesn't matter if you own a stock 650hp z06 or a heavily modded 1500hp z06 that was featured in all the youtube videos and magazines, still doesn't make it a supercar LOL
Always had Corvette's and no need to change.
#219
Melting Slicks
The most important aspect of a supercar is a super high price. It makes it unattainable to nearly everyone and builds an alluring fantasy-like image. Always has and always will be true.
Last edited by spearfish25; 05-04-2018 at 05:33 AM.